00:01:48 <jlaska> #startmeeting F-13-Beta engineering readiness meeting
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00:01:53 <jlaska> #meetingname f-13-beta-eng-readiness
00:01:55 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'f-13-beta-eng-readiness'
00:01:59 <jlaska> #topic Waiting for critical mass
00:02:22 <jlaska> we have folks from QA, RelEng and Development around?
00:02:43 * nirik is around.
00:02:54 <jlaska> nirik: howdy
00:03:07 <nirik> Hopefully this will be a short and happy meeting. ;)
00:03:25 <jlaska> agreed ... let's wait a few more minutes for the other usual suspects
00:03:51 * stickster lurks
00:04:13 <jlaska> lurker!
00:04:27 <drago01> a meeting at this time?
00:04:36 <jlaska> adamw: Oxf13 around?
00:04:51 <adamw> hiya
00:04:56 <adamw> it's a stealth meeting
00:05:02 <Oxf13> um...
00:05:03 <drago01> heh
00:05:10 <Oxf13> shouldn't this come after the go / nogo meeting?
00:05:37 <jlaska> engineering readiness?
00:05:43 * Oxf13 thinks something didn't get correctly shifted with the slip
00:06:16 <Oxf13> maybe I'm confused.
00:06:27 <jlaska> we've got it on the calendar for now ... 1 week after last weeks slip decision
00:06:39 <jlaska> should be quick ... let's get moving
00:06:41 <Oxf13> oh, engineering readiness == go / no go?
00:06:54 <jlaska> Oxf13: yeah, you got it
00:07:17 <jlaska> alright ... standard intro for those not familiar with the purpose of this meeting ...
00:07:20 <jlaska> #topic Why are we here?
00:07:25 <jlaska> #info The purpose is to decide whether the beta has met the release criteria
00:07:30 <jlaska> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_13_Beta_Release_Criteria
00:07:46 <jlaska> We've got adamw representing QA, Oxf13 representing RelEng
00:07:47 * adamw still doesn't quite understand why this meeting has two names
00:08:00 <jlaska> adamw: we can figure that out later :)
00:08:11 <Oxf13> I don't either.  I've only ever heard of it called the go / no go meeting
00:08:37 <jlaska> I've not changed the meeting name since last week
00:09:01 <jlaska> but can easily make changes for the next meeting
00:09:07 <jlaska> just not now
00:09:14 <adamw> yeah, just a side note.
00:09:18 * Oxf13 doesn't care either way
00:09:39 <jlaska> nirik: care to represent development today?
00:09:49 <nirik> uh, sure. ;)
00:10:11 <jlaska> :) ... typically I bug notting, but he's not around during this time
00:10:15 <jlaska> nirik: thx
00:10:27 <jlaska> alright ... the meat of this meeting ...
00:10:30 <jlaska> #topic Go or No Go?
00:10:44 <jlaska> adamw: how we holding up with the beta release criteria?
00:11:25 <adamw> looking pretty good
00:11:31 <adamw> we have a few caveats on the install matrix
00:12:03 <adamw> if you look at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Installation_Test , there's some beta level tests with 'fails', but individually, the bugs don't count as blockers
00:12:16 <adamw> we mostly established all of them in rc3 testing, anyway, there's nothing new there
00:13:54 <adamw> we have one bug left on the blocker tracker
00:14:08 <adamw> that's https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=579739
00:14:26 <adamw> but jlaska and i feel it should be dropped; it was a transient update fail which went away after a reboot, and others haven't seen it
00:14:56 <adamw> others have done updates on newly-installed beta rc5 and succeeded, i've been using gpk for updates for a month or so and haven't had any unavoidable failures with the latest version
00:15:04 <adamw> anyone else here had real troubles with updating?
00:15:39 * nirik has been using yum. ;(
00:15:42 <jlaska> for those wanting the take-home version of this test - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_desktop_updates
00:16:31 * stickster has been using gpk fairly regularly too
00:16:38 * poelcat here
00:16:45 <jlaska> adamw: I've been using gpk and yum ... haven't seen this issue.  But given the interaction quirks we've seen throughout F-13 with gpk, we both indicated we wouldn't be surprised if additional issues lurked
00:17:13 <adamw> sure, i wouldn't either. but bottom line we're not aware of unavoidable breakage. there are occasional weirdnesses, but they tend to go away if you quit and try again.
00:17:52 <Oxf13> I think the take away here is that it doesn't fail every time for everybody, which OK for me
00:18:35 <adamw> heh
00:18:46 <adamw> well, the most important is that it doesn't fail every time for _anyone_, as far as we know.
00:19:00 <adamw> so, yeah, executive summary, QA is feeling good about RC5.
00:19:32 <jlaska> alright, I'm hearing a _GO_ from QA
00:19:40 <jlaska> adamw: thanks for the updates
00:19:59 <jlaska> Oxf13: nirik: anything on your radar that would impact the beta release criteria?
00:20:08 <nirik> nothing I can think of off hand.
00:20:21 <Oxf13> nothing here.
00:20:33 <jlaska> alright ... time for #agreed
00:20:51 <jlaska> #agreed The Beta release criteria have been met with F-13-Beta-RC5
00:21:00 <jlaska> insert thunderous applause here
00:21:08 * nirik cheers
00:21:17 <stickster> \o/
00:21:20 <Oxf13> rockin.
00:21:39 <Oxf13> tomorrow's branched compose will include the kernel and plymouth we pulled in, and will be the "go here for source" link for the live images
00:21:43 <adamw> will drop the update bug from the blocker list
00:21:47 <Oxf13> then we'll get updates flowing again.
00:21:55 <jlaska> #topic What's next?
00:22:22 <jlaska> #info adamw removing bug#579739 from F13Beta
00:22:50 <jlaska> Oxf13: anything on your radar for mirrors?
00:22:59 <Oxf13> staging to start tomorrow likely
00:23:06 <jlaska> okay ...
00:23:32 <jlaska> #info RelEng will begin staging to mirrors starting Thu Apr 8
00:23:53 <jlaska> anything else we need to discuss here, that won't be covered in the release readiness mtg tomorrow?
00:24:06 <nirik> Oxf13: let me know if you want torrent preseeding.
00:24:53 <Oxf13> will do
00:26:02 * nirik has nothing else off hand.
00:26:16 <jlaska> do we typically announce _GOLD_ after this meeting?
00:26:23 <Oxf13> sortof?
00:26:26 <Oxf13> it's not official
00:27:01 <jlaska> okay, then I think we're good here
00:27:04 <stickster> jlaska: You mean announce the Beta, or just that we have a Beta forthcoming?
00:27:19 <jlaska> stickster: just that it's all systems go
00:27:41 <jlaska> or is the meeting recap sufficient?
00:27:56 <Oxf13> I'll announce tomorrow what's going on with beta and what maintainers can expect out of the Branched repo in the next few days
00:28:02 <Oxf13> meeting recap is sufficient
00:28:08 <jlaska> perfect
00:28:17 <stickster> Right on. Usually no announcement until there's something official to download.
00:28:24 <jlaska> alright gang ... I'll #endmeeting in 1 minute
00:29:04 <jlaska> ... 20 seconds
00:29:29 <jlaska> thanks folks ... nice work all around with the Beta!
00:29:32 <jlaska> #endmeeting