15:04:22 <quaid> #startmeeting
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15:04:35 <quaid> let's see ... agenda ...
15:04:40 <quaid> #topic Roll call
15:04:46 * hiemanshu 
15:04:48 * quaid 
15:04:56 <adimania> Aditya
15:05:16 <hiemanshu> jreznik: ping
15:05:59 <quaid> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_SIG#Agenda
15:07:39 * pwbarnes will be in and out.
15:08:01 <quaid> #topic Schedule review - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_SIG#Agenda
15:08:49 <quaid> So, yes, it's a very tight schedule
15:09:05 <quaid> mainly so students can know what they are doing for the summer as early as possible
15:09:21 <quaid> we've talked here and on list about different scheduling ideas
15:09:36 <quaid> for example, having a second-round start this season
15:10:32 <jreznik> it fits czech universities schedules
15:10:37 <quaid> biggest hassle I'm running in to is that it's too short notice to attract other sponsors, so far
15:10:58 <quaid> which limits how much we can do in the first round
15:11:17 <quaid> so, what do we think about the idea of doing a concurrent, stepped second round this season?
15:11:25 <quaid> i.e., bump forward a month and repeat
15:11:40 <adimania> I think, I read about a mail on the list which suggests running the program round the year in different slots.
15:11:49 <quaid> that gives me time to e.g. try to work through RHT's partner program to get word out to other ISVs.
15:12:09 * quaid definitely likes the idea of a summer coding for the Southern Hemisphere
15:12:23 <adimania> This will give us more participants and we may get time to catch the sponsors.
15:13:10 <jreznik> I think it's better postpone this round for example for one month - first shorter run than running two rounds in nearly same time - but I definitely like summer winter coding!
15:14:08 <adimania> jreznik: +1
15:14:45 <quaid> the point mchua made repeatedly was, the students who are all new to FOSS need some reassurance and enough time if they are going to pass up other opportunities for the summer.
15:14:45 <adimania> Since we have GSoC at this time, some of the good candidates might get diverted.
15:16:27 <quaid> I'm worried about losing momentum, confusing people, etc.
15:17:03 <quaid> can't tell which is more confusing, though -- concurrent sessions off by a month, or postpone the whole thing a month
15:17:12 <quaid> no guarantee we can get many more sponsors in that time, either.
15:17:25 <quaid> so, a few options:
15:17:32 <hiemanshu> quaid: lets vote
15:17:37 <quaid> a) postpone the whole thing for a month to get more sponsors
15:17:57 <quaid> b) go now with the sponsors we have and have a second round for more sponsors+students
15:18:11 <quaid> c) go with what we can do and better luck to us next winter/summer
15:18:17 <quaid> any other options?
15:18:25 <jreznik> (not only sponsors but even mentors and students - there wasn't time for bigger marketing campaign)
15:18:36 <quaid> hiemanshu: I'd like to see if we have a consensus before we vote :)
15:19:05 <jreznik> quaid: the question is - you have contacts - do you think you can get more sponsors in one month?
15:19:47 <quaid> maybe, but we need more than me doing it
15:21:15 <jreznik> we have red hat's scholarship but it's limited only to fi muni/fit but students...
15:21:52 <jreznik> quaid: if yes - then postponing two rounds are ok, it not then c)
15:22:38 * hiemanshu has to run
15:22:47 <quaid> hiemanshu: do you have a vote?
15:23:11 <hiemanshu> quaid: a)
15:23:21 <adimania> I would like to go with a)
15:23:35 * quaid dropped another email asking his partner program contact if a month gets us a real chance.
15:23:54 <quaid> heck, votes from students mean more to me since I personally am not affected either way :)
15:24:02 <hiemanshu> we dont want students to say, "Hey I should have waited, I could have got something I am better at"
15:24:29 <hiemanshu> or people trying to do both and others missing a chance
15:24:43 <quaid> jreznik: I can guarantee but I'm confident that more time means more sponsors -- we just have to find the ones willing and able for this summer, and we'll definitely be lining up a better package for Sep - Feb
15:25:07 <quaid> s/can/can't/ :)
15:25:33 <adimania> quaid: I am a student. Do I get to vote twice :)
15:25:49 <zubin71> a)
15:26:06 <maploin> quaid, how does this relate to the personal-schedule-on-the-proposal that needs to get accepted by the mentor?
15:27:00 <jreznik> quaid: so d) start now and we can try to attract more sponsors meanwhile... but without any guarantees for students regarding awards
15:28:54 <quaid> maploin: this is more to do with when we can say "yes, these proposals are funded"
15:29:05 <quaid> maploin: until then any work is speculation
15:29:13 <maploin> ok, I understand
15:29:32 <quaid> jreznik: ooh, ick; I thought about that but ...
15:31:10 <quaid> the goal of summer coding was to keep students from having to think about and do another job for the summer
15:31:21 <quaid> otherwise, it's just like normal contributing :)
15:31:39 <quaid> but it does sound like we are approaching consensus
15:31:47 <quaid> to postpone the entire program for a month, seek more sponsors
15:32:04 <quaid> which I can practically dedicate myself to, since all else is rolling along ...
15:33:11 <jreznik> quaid: yeah, I understand (I was student too without time for open source, money are money) - but we also want future contributors - not just summer part-timers...
15:33:27 <quaid> right!
15:33:46 <quaid> good point, those who stick through all this are likely to get money reward and really prove they are part of the program :)
15:34:42 <quaid> ok, wasn't what I expected to happen this morning, but I think we are agreed
15:35:04 <quaid> #agreed Postpone entire program for a month to give more time for mentors, students, and especially sponsors to be found.
15:36:08 <quaid> moving on a bit then ...
15:36:32 <quaid> #topic Status on stuff - sponsors, ideas, mentors, students
15:37:03 <quaid> #info Red Hat Community Architecture team is our first sponsor for one full student slot
15:37:29 <quaid> jreznik: aiui, you have sponsorship for students that must be applied to the local schools, right?
15:38:16 <jreznik> quaid: yes, for now FI MUNI, we are going to sign contract with the second one (I hope soon)
15:40:33 <jreznik> rvokal is responsible for this, I can ask him for more details
15:41:24 <quaid> #info RHT in Brno has funds earmarked for specific student sets
15:41:49 <quaid> #info spevack is seeking other RHT funding
15:42:14 <quaid> #info quaid is working with RHT Partner team, will report when he has something
15:42:30 <quaid> I'm going to send an email to devel@ because people there work places :)
15:42:52 <quaid> #agreed all deadlines are going to move up with the new schedule
15:44:23 <quaid> anything else?
15:44:30 <quaid> otherwise, we can finish
15:44:35 <maploin> could we use this new month to build a simple presentation website like the one RubySOC have?
15:44:46 <maploin> that way we can promote the program better and have a place for sponsors to show off
15:44:56 <quaid> you know, I've thought about that ... there is a nice value in that.
15:45:07 <jreznik> and poster - we can have a few at local universities
15:45:19 <maploin> just linking to the wiki or blogs seems a bit "unpolished" i think
15:45:24 <quaid> #action quaid to approach Design Team again for FSC posters
15:45:35 <quaid> maploin: yeah, it reminds me of GSoC first year !
15:45:50 <maploin> :)
15:46:03 <adimania> I can take care of putting up posters at a few universities here in India.
15:46:10 <quaid> does anyone here have time to devote to a fedorasummercoding.org site?
15:46:21 <maploin> I think I do
15:46:37 <quaid> #action adimania and jreznik can disseminate posters
15:46:53 <quaid> well, it can't hurt to _try_
15:46:59 <quaid> (for a new site)
15:47:08 <quaid> do we want a new domain name?
15:47:25 <quaid> we can also use e.g. summer-coding.fedoraproject.org or fedoraproject.org/summer-coding
15:47:35 <adimania> I might be able to devote some time for website too, but only after May 3.
15:47:41 * quaid realizes we can build a _static_ site from existing fp.o tools pretty easily
15:47:56 <jreznik> quaid: I can help you, I don't have lot of time... but... at least with poster (with design team help)
15:47:57 <maploin> yeah, I think a subdomain would be fine
15:48:01 <maploin> maybe something shorter though :)
15:48:15 <jreznik> static site is enough with link to wiki
15:48:53 <adimania> jreznik: +1
15:49:45 <quaid> #agreed We'll work on a stand-alone more professional site, probably at a sub-domain of fp.o
15:50:00 <maploin> yay
15:50:07 <quaid> #action quaid will check with F Markeitng for opinion on domain v. sub-domain
15:51:48 <quaid> maploin adimania - if you aren't on summer-coding@lists.fedoraproject.org, please join
15:52:06 <quaid> that's where we want to coordinate website stuff -- if you do get time in a few weeks, that will keep you updated.
15:52:20 * quaid wants to keep mechanics discussions on the SIG list, right?
15:53:01 <maploin> I'm already subscribed
15:53:19 <adimania> Me too
15:56:18 <quaid> ok
15:56:25 <quaid> anything else?
15:56:43 * quaid closing meeting in 1 minute
15:58:10 <quaid> #info if we use existing Fedora Infra and Websites tooling, we can do e.g. summercoding.fedoraproject.org and have a static framework very fast
15:58:19 <quaid> #action quaid to start on the static website framework
15:58:33 <quaid> #action quaid to ask Design Team and Websites Team for help with design on stand-alone site
15:59:03 <quaid> closing in
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