19:08:48 #startmeeting Ambassadors EMEA Africa Meeting 2010-04-21 19:08:48 Meeting started Wed Apr 21 19:08:48 2010 UTC. The chair is sspreitzer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:08:50 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:09:02 #chair acaleechurn 19:09:03 Current chairs: acaleechurn sspreitzer 19:09:26 ok guys, very welcome to the Fedora Project EMEA Africa meeting 19:09:41 an approach to push Fedora in africa 19:10:06 #topic RollCall 19:10:11 .fas cmpahar 19:10:12 cmpahar: cmpahar 'Christos Bacharakis' 19:10:16 who is there? 19:10:20 .fas nihed 19:10:23 .fas sspreitzer 19:10:25 .fas acaleechurn 19:10:25 nihedTunisia: nihed 'm'barek med nihed' 19:10:29 sspreitzer: sspreitzer 'Sascha Thomas Spreitzer' 19:10:31 .fas fraubenheimer 19:10:33 acaleechurn: acaleechurn 'Amit Caleechurn' 19:10:37 fraubenheimer: 'fraubenheimer' Not Found! 19:10:48 arthurbuliva 19:10:51 i guess i should not be doing that 19:11:00 fraubenheimer is Francois Raubenheimer from South Africa 19:11:12 crypt0n from The Gambia 19:11:16 fraubenheimer, its ok 19:11:38 hasna from Morocco 19:11:43 :) 19:11:56 great to see so much poeple ready 19:12:44 This meeting is to be found in 19:12:50 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:EMEA_Africa_Ambassadors_2010-4-21 19:14:03 * sspreitzer looks at cmpahar 19:14:12 for liknus 19:14:13 ;) 19:14:25 he is doing his best :D 19:14:32 bicycle? 19:14:53 car 19:14:56 ah ok 19:15:02 guys, sidequestion 19:15:03 he is a super rally driver :P 19:15:21 whom of you ist currently connected via modem and landline ? 19:15:39 +1 But not landline. GSM modem 19:15:54 3G modem here or 4G not sure 19:16:01 4g? 19:16:10 fraubenheimer, where are you located? 19:16:23 seapoint, cape town, south africa 19:16:34 and you have 4g?! 19:16:43 depends on towers 19:17:02 it is impressive 19:17:26 * sspreitzer waits for liknus 2 more minutes 19:17:28 world cup has slapped south africa's inet's into shape 19:17:46 cmpahar HSDPA (3.5g) Nairobi 19:17:47 * sspreitzer reminds on meeting rules 19:17:53 recently (2 weeks ago) unlimited bandwidth packages started rolling out 19:18:10 sspreitzer, can i read those somewhere 19:18:14 sure 19:18:39 reconsidering to move to Africa 19:19:12 can someone give the link to the meeting rules? 19:19:16 @cmpahar :) not in Tunisia the first 3g offer will start next week ;) 19:19:28 http://fedoraunity.org/fup/meeting-guidelines/ 19:19:39 thanks 19:19:41 sspreitzer, pierros says that you can continue the meeting if you want 19:19:46 sspreitzer, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRCHowTo#Protocol 19:19:50 great 19:19:52 oops, too late ^^' 19:20:02 although to wait for him regarding the IDHELO 19:20:04 event 19:20:08 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/EMEA/Africa/Meetings#Agenda 19:20:14 here is our agenda 19:20:16 *IDLELO 19:20:21 next topic is 19:20:30 #topic Bootstrapping EMEA Africa 19:21:18 i have heard voices, that fedora project has tried in past to foster in africa 19:21:49 is that true? 19:22:34 not? no efforts yet to push fedora in africa? 19:22:45 ! 19:22:51 nihedTunisia, yes please 19:23:15 we received teeshirt and cd's last year from fedora fr 19:23:30 ! 19:23:33 ! 19:23:36 we also visited solution linux with the help of fedora fr 19:23:40 eof 19:23:48 ok, cmpahar ? 19:24:30 there are only few trys to foster in africa and not very organized 19:24:31 eof 19:24:37 +1 19:24:41 these is the will 19:24:48 hmm ok 19:24:49 *there is the will 19:24:56 arthurKenya, please go ahead 19:25:29 If the IDLELO website is anything to go by, then +1 for the effort. A few of the drives to push it in Kenya have been solely my own initiatives with help from pals here and there 19:25:57 further, I must admit I only heard/read about IDLELO today before this meeting 19:26:04 ! 19:26:08 eof 19:26:13 ok, thanks 19:26:21 fraubenheimer, go ahead mate 19:27:37 in recent years i've not seen any (not a single article or conversation). majority know the term linux though and associate said term to hard/diffucult 19:27:55 ? 19:28:17 ! 19:28:22 fraubenheimer, if you end your statement, please add eof 19:28:26 eof 19:28:32 great thanks 19:28:36 hi all :) 19:28:38 arthurKenya, yes please 19:28:43 deeply sorry for beinglate 19:28:48 ? 19:28:59 .fas 19:28:59 liknus: (fas ) -- Search the Fedora Account System usernames, full names, and email addresses for a match. 19:29:05 .fas ppapadeas 19:29:05 liknus: ppapadeas 'Papadeas Pierros' 19:29:37 arthurKenya, please go ahead 19:29:38 I have never heard of IDLELO before. Who organizes/advertizes the event? eof 19:29:56 I have never heard of IDLELO before. Who organizes/advertizes the event? eof 19:30:04 ! 19:30:11 (on IDLELO) 19:30:19 arthurKenya, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/IDLELO_2010 19:30:32 crypt0n, please go ahead 19:31:04 fairly new here (over a year), but i haven't heard or seen any initiatives whatsoever. it is less likely people download ISOs and try them on their own, but if they were to be distributed in CDs/DVDs (like how canonical does) it might help bring more users 19:31:09 eof 19:31:27 great yes 19:31:32 thanks crypt0n 19:31:45 Southern_Gentlem, your question? 19:31:55 fraubenheimer, so time to show them what modern systems look like (even a vm and show people how to install goes a long way at getting rid of those myths eof 19:32:31 wow, thanks for that input 19:32:52 in fact I also think that if we speak about distributing fedora to africa 19:32:56 .fas 19:32:57 t2hot: (fas ) -- Search the Fedora Account System usernames, full names, and email addresses for a match. 19:33:11 Southern_Gentlem, yes if it would be advertised as easy to use and without any complications. i believe fedora would do well. which brings me to another point. 19:33:15 we mostly speak about distributing meda as of CDs and DVDs 19:33:21 *media 19:33:26 ! 19:33:36 what you guys think? 19:33:41 fraubenheimer, yes 19:33:51 sspreitzer, i have asked for ! 19:33:53 ! 19:34:05 * cmpahar liknus was asked for ! before ... 19:34:06 * sspreitzer is sorry for liknus 19:34:07 Oku Onyeibo, twohotis@fastmail.fm 19:34:08 :S 19:34:13 sorry I'm late 19:34:28 liknus, go ahead then 19:34:32 thanks sspreitzer 19:34:38 goodafternoon all 19:34:46 It is nice seeing so many people here 19:34:52 as mentioned by yourself distrobution by CD's would be great. as of most of africa bandwidth is not cheap or even in most cases posible. an easy OS with CD installable applications needs (no rpm via net type of thing) 19:35:12 Firstly I would like to point out that we are on a meeting with agenda and it must be followed 19:35:32 acaleechurn reminds on meeting rules 19:35:42 the discusion so far was a little bit "open floore" so I suggest we stick on the agenda first 19:35:59 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRCHowTo#Protocol 19:36:15 sspreitzer, please initiate a agenda subject and if you want help I can co chair 19:36:23 Finally I would like to say, 19:37:07 eof 19:37:18 fraubenheimer, thanks 19:37:28 that we have to fragment the conversation in order to evaluate the conversation and propose a plan for it then 19:37:28 * sspreitzer waits for liknus 19:37:46 eof? 19:37:59 eof sspreitzer please initiate a subject and end "open floor" style discussion 19:38:13 thank you liknus for joining us lately 19:38:25 i pointed out the agenda before 19:38:26 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/EMEA/Africa/Meetings#Agenda 19:38:44 we are currently on point "past - what have we tried yet? " 19:38:51 * liknus has read the logs thanks to cmpahar 19:39:30 ok 19:39:40 arthurKenya, pleas go ahead 19:40:02 Ithx 19:40:30 refering to the earlier talk about media distribution 19:40:46 #chair liknus 19:40:47 Current chairs: acaleechurn liknus sspreitzer 19:40:56 yes, cd/dvd is the best way that I have seen from my experience 19:41:24 the vm way is just too complex for many people 19:41:28 eof 19:42:55 thank you arthurKenya 19:43:00 amazing ok 19:43:12 so guys, by looking at todays baseline 19:43:35 do you want to contribute and push fedora in africa? 19:43:49 +1 19:43:53 +1 19:43:53 +1 19:44:00 ! 19:44:06 +1 19:44:08 ? 19:44:17 ! 19:44:18 +1 19:44:40 #topic Fedora Project in africa today 19:45:02 great to see guys 19:45:03 * sspreitzer is happy 19:45:05 !!!! 19:45:07 cmpahar, please go ahead 19:45:12 I thought that the meeting is being held because there is already a decision for pushing fedora in africa 19:45:56 thats why liknus is going to IDLELO 19:45:56 i dont understand you, sorry 19:45:56 eof 19:46:17 ok cmpahar 19:46:35 my question was more about whether you guys 19:46:45 that you are here in the channel today are willing 19:46:49 to help and push 19:47:01 fedora in africa in a long term manner 19:47:12 acaleechurn, please, go ahead 19:47:21 ! 19:47:24 ! 19:47:46 first of all we have to make it clear that this is not another media distribution group 19:48:06 we are trying to empower people to build communities on their own 19:48:32 * cmpahar I cant understand why we are talking again and again things that have been decided already. We are wasting time :) 19:48:35 EMEA has been pushing for africa but without the local there is not much they can do alone 19:48:48 eof 19:49:11 thank you acaleechurn for pointing out 19:49:25 t2hot, yes? 19:49:28 ! 19:50:23 In response to sspreitzer, I think the fact that we are ambassadors is enough proof to push fedora in Africa 19:50:45 ... we all know the rules about participation 19:51:08 we can promise lifetime involvement 19:51:59 thank you man 19:52:05 thats what we truly need 19:52:07 :D 19:52:11 eof? 19:52:51 DVD's are the way to Go! ... or MMC cards ... something that will give us the entire software ... Live-CDs dont cut it. Buut the problem is the time and bandwidth cost associated with 19:53:02 downloading DVDs here 19:53:24 great 19:53:26 yes 19:53:34 in fact thats one point on the agenda 19:53:42 but later more on media ;) 19:54:27 I think if we can get a complimentary DVD sent to US, duplication and distribution won't be a problem ... we need a way to easse the download pain 19:54:29 eof 19:54:44 great 19:54:52 guys 19:54:58 later more on the media topic 19:55:06 :) 19:55:15 hasnaMorocco, go ahead my friend 19:55:28 !!!!!! 19:56:24 i think it's important to encourage people using fedora through examples 19:56:26 * sspreitzer saw t2hot but first hasnaMorocco then crypt0n 19:57:16 i attended some workshops, organized by students most of the time 19:58:07 this helped me to start using fedora 19:59:29 * sspreitzer :) 19:59:29 i'd like to know what's done elseware 19:59:47 ! 19:59:56 eof 20:00:04 thank you hasnaMorocco 20:00:20 i am also curious what happened so far 20:00:29 crypt0n, ? 20:00:36 @acaleechurn: as i see it sspreitzer here is calling out for those local participants since inter-country events alone aren't enough to reach the mass. local meetings, events, media distribution etc can go a long way to get more people be aware and informed. 20:00:42 these may be traditional approaches but these methods have in fact made the difference 20:01:31 * sspreitzer nods 20:01:33 +a 20:01:34 eof 20:01:35 +1 20:01:58 t2hot, your voice? 20:03:40 made a typo above ....correction: We CAN'T promise lifetime involvement (you nature has a way of taking people away). But we'll do our best 20:04:11 * sspreitzer hopes to see you guys help and stay with us 20:04:16 ! 20:04:27 +1 Crypt0n about meetings and events 20:04:29 t2hot, eof? 20:04:32 eof 20:04:43 thank you mate 20:04:50 nihedTunisia, please go ahead 20:04:52 Today, I present fedora on an Aiesec event for students, I think universities are the way to spread fedora and the best way is to create a link between african compus. And one of things is to encourage professor to use fedora for teaching Linux and offers CD's for students and documentation. 20:04:56 eof 20:05:11 +1 20:05:16 ok 20:05:22 so stop until noew 20:05:24 +1 20:05:41 lets move the topic further to 20:05:47 X 20:05:59 #topic which goals do we have and what are nex steps? 20:06:08 ! 20:06:31 arthurKenya, you were first 20:06:34 ! 20:06:35 * sspreitzer saw liknus 20:06:52 arthurKenya, please go ahead 20:07:22 I think the major hurdle we face is the (no offence meant) Microsoft-lization 20:07:56 what I mean is that, when lessons in computers are taught in schools 20:08:22 they teach "Microsoft Word" instead of "Word processing" 20:08:35 yes, this problem is major I think almost everywhere 20:08:40 ! 20:08:59 so what we are left with is being asked, "What is Fedora's Microsoft Excel?" 20:09:01 eof 20:09:40 yes 20:09:40 arthurKenya, that's not specific to Africa at all 20:09:52 its a global problem 20:09:55 +1 to bochecha 20:10:06 +1 20:10:09 ! 20:10:19 so guys 20:10:23 and it's kinda your job to spread the word, educate people, and eventually change the world ;) 20:10:39 bochecha, meeting rules, please 20:10:42 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRCHowTo#Protocol 20:10:45 +1 bochecha 20:11:09 +1 bochecha yes 20:11:18 +1 20:11:18 guys 20:11:23 what do you think 20:11:38 if I say, everyones next target should be 20:11:47 to make new ambassadors 20:12:04 at least 2 or hopefully 3 20:12:41 so we can end bootstrapping and take the next step, spread the word 20:12:50 and make contributors? 20:12:53 what do you think? 20:12:56 ! 20:13:00 +1 20:13:00 !! 20:13:06 * liknus notes that not anyone in here is an Ambassador...possibly not even half of the participants now 20:13:20 ? 20:13:55 ? 20:14:04 bochecha, ? 20:14:20 * cmpahar sspreitzer you are forgeting/.... 20:14:26 ohoh 20:14:47 i forgot, what? 20:14:48 eh 20:14:49 eof 20:15:16 sspreitzer, you forgot at least t2hot and crypt0n 20:15:21 * cmpahar that a lot of guys want to say something and you dont follow the extract order 20:15:27 and liknus 20:15:36 please SCROLL up! 20:15:37 :D 20:16:00 okok 20:16:04 t2hot, ? 20:16:17 liknus was first 20:16:23 right 20:16:25 liknus, ? 20:16:31 ok 20:16:38 thanks sspreitzer and t2hot 20:17:04 On the "Goals" issue we need to look what do we have country by country 20:17:16 lets all remember that we are not LUG 20:17:29 we are a community with established processes 20:18:03 So we must look for FADs, Fedora Coffees or even the future possibilty of FUDCOn 20:18:12 (far ahead :) ) 20:19:09 I think that the best we can do right now is to meet some of the specific needs of Africa (like media) and on the rest just follow the expample of the rest EMEA region 20:19:25 +1 20:19:28 +1 +1 +1 20:19:35 +1 20:19:37 +1 20:19:39 ? 20:19:44 One *major* thing I am going to adress is the localization issue on Africa 20:19:51 +1 20:20:00 Africa has many spoken lanuages and low rates of English-speakers 20:20:10 so we definately need to address this 20:21:00 I am a l10n mentor and I have contacted Dimitris Glezos (senior l1on fedora contributor and maker of our translating platfrom transifex) 20:21:24 ! 20:21:37 on writing the steps to create new languages within fedora 20:21:43 make them easy 20:21:54 and spread the word to Africa via events 20:22:23 For example on IDLELO I am going to give a talk on localization merits of foss and Fedora in particular 20:22:54 that's a strong point of Fedora... something that closed source alternatives CANNOT provide 20:23:06 * sspreitzer doesnt get the point 20:23:46 strip it to one short sentence please. :) 20:23:57 Foss makes easy to have OS in your language... closed source OS supports only major ones and commercially exploitable 20:24:39 Language is a main issue for Africa... so foss (and fedora) is preferable 20:24:49 got it sspreitzer ? 20:25:01 -1 20:25:16 I think main issue of africa and fedora is infrastructure 20:25:23 +1 20:25:29 so to say, media and ambassadors 20:25:32 +1 20:25:48 liknus, eof? 20:26:00 sspreitzer, I am not talking about THE issue... I am talking about *one* issues 20:26:07 not yet 20:26:35 So I am proposing the focusingon three distinct subjects 20:26:45 1 Media Availability / Infra 20:26:55 2 Language and i18n 20:27:31 ok 20:27:34 eof? 20:27:36 3 Connecting Africa with EMEA 20:27:56 1 will be discussed later 20:28:07 2 Will be shorten out by me and Dimitris 20:28:08 -1 20:28:23 (for starters) 20:28:33 3 will be a follow up 20:28:46 eof lets get organized people! not just hopes 20:28:54 ok 20:29:10 i think the outlined agenda is far ahead of "bootstrapping" 20:29:13 !!!! 20:29:15 was I called? ... ran out of airtime 20:29:16 +1 20:29:29 but 20:29:35 lets follow meeting rules 20:29:46 Southern_Gentlem, ? 20:30:15 * sspreitzer t2hot after Southern_Gentlem 20:30:25 * crypt0n has been waiting for ! 20:30:28 ok this is mainly an infrastructure issue starting out, how many people do we have from each region here? 20:30:30 * liknus crypt0n bochecha and t2hot have asked for talking sspreitzer 20:31:23 * sspreitzer t2hot and crypt0n after Southern_Gentlem 20:31:27 eof 20:31:59 * sspreitzer bochecha pinged me and cancelled via query, had to leave meeting 20:32:13 Southern_Gentlem, right yes 20:32:29 i also think infrastrusture and media have main focus 20:32:38 t2hot, please go ahead 20:33:32 liknus has said it. Lets take these challenges step-by-step 20:34:19 1. Availability (Media .... highest priority). We can't campaign for what the people can't get 20:35:04 2. l10n seems to me like a long term project so we should approach it differently 20:35:18 +1 20:35:28 +1 20:35:59 +1 20:36:07 please excuse me ... my box is out of juice. Power problems in Nigeria. Hope to catch the rest in the logs 20:36:19 long live FEDORA 20:36:21 +1 20:36:26 +! 20:36:32 t2hot, write me an email and i can address your points for you 20:36:33 +1 20:36:51 ok 20:37:02 crypt0n, please, its your turn. 20:37:06 sspreitzer: ok 20:37:08 yes! 20:37:15 it might be a smart move to push Fedora as a part of FOSS rather than Fedora alone in regions like Africa. 20:37:24 we cannot speak of Fedora Core 12 to somebody who can't pronounce linux right 20:37:34 that being said i agree with liknus with localization. also if possible partnership with local distributors and localization in mobile devices like cell phones 20:37:34 +0.5 20:37:46 since a large number of population do not have access to PCs but own such devices 20:37:52 i'm not aware though how far off Fedora is with supporting devices like cell phones. is there a specialized version of Fedora for embedded devices? 20:37:53 eof 20:38:35 i do not know the answer on that 20:38:36 but 20:38:49 if there is any fedora alike version, it can be found here 20:38:54 #link http://spins.fedoraproject.org/ 20:39:19 so guys 20:39:41 * liknus there is no mobile fedoraedition for cellphones :( sorry... 20:39:41 2 more voices and we wil switch to the next topic 20:39:52 who was nexrt 20:39:54 ? 20:40:37 * sspreitzer wait some more seconds 20:40:54 mhm 20:40:55