20:10:23 #startmeeting EMEA Ambassadors Meeting 2010-4-28 20:10:23 Meeting started Wed Apr 28 20:10:23 2010 UTC. The chair is liknus. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:10:25 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 20:10:36 #chair kital 20:10:37 Current chairs: kital liknus 20:10:47 #topic RollCall 20:10:58 It is on the topic...rollcall guys! 20:11:00 Joerg Simon 20:11:01 Mathieu Bridon 20:11:03 .fas ppapadeas 20:11:05 liknus: ppapadeas 'Papadeas Pierros' 20:11:12 .fas cmpahar 20:11:13 .fas acaleechurn 20:11:14 cmpahar: cmpahar 'Christos Bacharakis' 20:11:16 .fas linuxthomass 20:11:18 acaleechurn: acaleechurn 'Amit Caleechurn' 20:11:19 .fas sspreitzer 20:11:22 d3vnull: linuxthomass 'Isaac Sanni-Thomas' 20:11:23 Kevin Raymond 20:11:26 sspreitzer: sspreitzer 'Sascha Thomas Spreitzer' 20:11:34 .fas t2hot 20:11:35 t2hot: twohot 'Onyeibo Oku' 20:11:42 .fas constanton 20:11:43 constanton: constanton 'Konstantinos Antonakoglou' 20:12:17 Ok today we are having a regural meeting and today's agenda is on : 20:12:21 #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:EMEA_Ambassadors_2010-4-28 20:12:33 #topic Announcements 20:12:50 kital, anything from mother FAmSCo ? :) 20:13:04 ;) yes 20:13:19 Call for Fedora 13 release events is out 20:13:20 go ahead and enlighten us :) 20:13:24 http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/ambassadors/2010-April/014337.html 20:13:59 so please lets have as much Release Parties as possible and make a lot of noise about it 20:14:16 eof 20:14:22 thanks kital 20:14:34 we are going to look it through on the Events section 20:14:48 Any more announcements anyone? 20:15:11 ok lets proceed on the Events 20:15:15 #topic Events 20:15:24 lets start with the past events... 20:15:31 cmpahar, how about Fosscomm? 20:15:38 thank you liknus 20:16:02 the last weekend, in Thessaloniki, Greece it took place the biggest (yet) FOSS event in greece 20:16:25 * liknus cmpahar was the main organizer of the whole event 20:16:30 a 2 day conference about Foss in general and everywhere (server, desktop, mobile, education) 20:17:02 Fedora had 1 talk from me and liknus with the title "Fedora Fails and thats a good thing" 20:17:11 and one workshop made by liknus 20:17:27 regarding Fedora 13 feutures 20:17:44 *futures 20:17:48 very dangerous title but it worked out well :) 20:17:52 *features 20:18:17 unfortunately we dont have (YET) an event report in english, 20:18:28 we will own that at the next meeting 20:18:46 Fedora also had the biggest and the prettiest booth 20:18:51 #action cmpahar reports on wiki an english report on Fosscomm 20:19:01 with 6 ambassadors in presence 20:19:03 !!! 20:19:14 it was great 20:19:27 thats all from me. I own you the event report. 20:19:30 Thank you liknus 20:19:33 eof 20:20:07 thanks cmpahar it was indeed an excellant event for fedora and we recruited new members in Marketing and Transaltions :) 20:20:34 now moving on ....anyone on a past event? 20:21:16 ok on future event 20:21:32 Zoltan is going to Vienna 20:21:56 ! 20:21:57 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F13_release_events 20:22:00 op 20:22:04 sorry 20:22:16 #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Linuxwochen_Wien_2010 20:22:43 unfortunatelly he is not here but i guess if he wants something he knows all the processes :) 20:22:47 sspreitzer, go ahead 20:23:12 Fabian Affolter will be in Vienna too 20:23:16 eof 20:23:26 nice two Ambassadors :) 20:23:51 now I am going to make a request on all of you 20:24:08 please keap the Events Wiki page in chronological order :) 20:24:28 +1 20:24:39 #action liknus cleans up the Events Wiki page and makes a comment on that on the wiki code 20:24:51 Everyone ok with that? 20:25:01 +1 20:25:17 +1 20:25:29 ok moving on on the next event 20:26:12 I am very happy to see Fedora spreading on Africa already... we are having two events in May where fedora is going to be there 20:26:18 One in Egypt 20:26:26 #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CAT_Scope11 20:26:48 Anyone here from our up and coming Egyptian communty? 20:27:59 anyways.... Mohammedsafwat is not here so I am going to contact him to see if he wants any help on the event :) 20:28:18 #action liknus contacts Mohammedsafwat on CAT_Scope11 20:28:43 ok next event on Africa is IDLELO 20:28:59 #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/IDLELO_2010 20:29:23 I am more than proud that I will be there to support the Fedora presence 20:29:38 d3vnull, will be there as our local Ambassador 20:30:03 We are already in contact with the organizers and we are going to give a talk and a workshop 20:30:17 :) 20:30:43 Also we are going to be present in the community summit before the event and try to establish a strong Fedora presence in SubSaharian Africa 20:31:26 For my trip to Africa I am going to start a blogging series covering the event with "Road to Africa" as titles 20:31:40 +1 20:31:57 stay tuned for updates on the preparations photos and many experiences :) 20:32:09 * kital cant wait to read it 20:32:16 +1 20:32:20 +1 20:32:41 Nice :D May is going to be an exciting month :) 20:32:51 Ok lets move on to the release events 20:33:13 Most of you are already experienced with the concept...but lets round it up 20:33:25 #topic F13 Release Events 20:34:11 In every fedora release we are having some community meetups in a cheerfull manner to celebrate the new fedora release 20:34:35 You are more than encouraged to host a release party in your area :) 20:34:50 As Ambassadors you will have to take care some things like : 20:35:14 Picking up a date closeby and after the release date 20:35:35 Selecting a nice place that could host the amount of people you will attend the event 20:36:08 Make sure you spread the word as much as youcan (blogs, wiki, tweets, dents, social etc) 20:36:32 And of cource mention it and get organized in : 20:36:38 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F13_release_events 20:37:08 The day of the event make sure you have some minor swag (everyone loves them : ) ) 20:37:43 some homebrew or official cds (more from sspreitzer later) and be prepared to answer questions on 20:37:49 Fedora 13 talking points 20:38:07 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_13_Talking_Points 20:38:51 Remember to keep it simple and fun :) After all it is our time of the year :) Our new fedora ... :D 20:39:15 And finally report back on the wiki and on blogs etc 20:39:32 Anyone any questions on that? 20:40:02 * kital not after this wonderfull introduction ;) 20:40:36 Ok lets move on on specific Release Events 20:40:44 biertie, 20:40:53 Shall i make a comment biertie ? 20:40:59 ah, I'm holding one in Ghent 20:41:02 yeah, you can :) 20:42:03 Martin Sourada, Nicu and me are going to attend http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/ 20:42:07 it's also the end of puppet camp that evening 20:42:16 * cwickert is finally there 20:42:17 on 24-30 May on Brussels 20:42:19 so I think we'll have a lot of attendees 20:42:43 I think it would be an excellent idea to combine it with LGM 20:43:00 WOW 20:43:11 do you think it is possible to help us on that ? :) 20:43:17 I'll send you some posters, maybe you can put some up :) 20:43:25 if you want, you can add a talk on the wiki 20:43:42 about inkscape or something ;-) 20:43:51 but I'll defenetly make sure you guys can attend :) 20:44:11 We are going to have a Fedora workshop on that ;)and a talk... is it possible to come to Brussels and have a combined Release Party? 20:45:22 biertie, 20:45:26 well, I could come to brussels to pick you guys up? 20:45:32 ghent is only a 20minute drive :) 20:45:39 or 30minutes on the train 20:45:45 yeap that could be possible :) 20:45:58 and it would be very very awesome to have you guys over :) 20:46:09 Or we could have it on brussels .... (more people and LGM ) 20:46:22 anyways we shall talk with Martin and Nicu for that :) 20:46:30 but where, I don't know any people in brussels ;-) 20:46:37 or any good places anyway 20:46:41 Within LGM possibly 20:46:59 we are going to see it... we will keep in touch biertie 20:47:07 we'll see, I would prefer to get everyone in one place, but ok 20:47:14 keep me in touch, yeah :) 20:47:27 #action liknus contact nicubunu and martin and biertie on Release Party belgium 20:47:41 Ok anyone else on a release party? 20:48:12 African guys on a release event? 20:48:14 t2hot, ? 20:48:53 ( d3vnull we are going to see the possibility of a parallel event to IDLELO) 20:48:55 +1 for doing something cool at lgm 20:49:02 linkus yes 20:49:04 nicubunu, thanks man :) 20:49:14 * liknus welcomes fab 20:49:24 * t2hot heard liknus 20:49:28 we plan to do the double at IDLELO 20:50:36 ok guys... we shall look on the next meeting too the Release Events and make sure we have at least 15 event in EMEA region this time :) 20:51:21 ok next subject 20:51:43 #topic Media Production Update 20:51:53 sspreitzer, go ahead my friend 20:52:05 hello there to all 20:52:23 I had a meeting last week with the media producing company 20:53:03 we discussed a lot and in the end I knew it is hard to be the interface between the commercial and the open world 20:53:29 summed up; I got two offers 20:53:57 first one 4 x 1000 discs with sleeves ~= 3500 USD 20:54:23 which implies 2 install discs (32bit,64bit) 20:54:24 and 20:54:44 2 live media discs (32bit,64bit) 20:55:00 the second offer was 4x2000 discs 20:55:00 ! 20:55:10 * liknus advices cwickert to stay calm :P 20:55:33 arround 6000 USD 20:55:56 i had emails with RedHat staff 20:56:09 and order procedures and processes 20:56:41 Max finally said he would be willing to order 4x2000 pieces with 6000 USD 20:56:52 sspreitzer, you can probably give the prices in €, given that this is mainly a european meeting and this is what you'll pay in the end ;) 20:57:02 sry man 20:57:05 liknus: I have given up... 20:57:14 the budget is in USD 20:57:22 but 20:57:50 thats over our budget 20:57:51 and 20:58:10 shipping costs will come up next 20:58:30 so, we can have those 4x2000 pieces 20:58:35 and believe me 20:58:37 * liknus promises to cwickert to have LXDE on next FOSDEM (custom made by me ) 20:58:37 ! 20:58:54 ther is no option except those two models 20:59:02 4x1000 or 4x2000 20:59:09 ? 20:59:11 * liknus saw kital and cwickert 20:59:22 because of the media company offer 20:59:49 ok, let us focus here on the media, next topic is Spin media 21:00:11 so cwickert, if your voice is about spins, please save it for the next topic 21:00:13 sspreitzer, shall kital make a question? 21:00:24 liknus, no 21:00:27 first cwickert 21:00:41 cwickert, go ahead 21:00:53 sspreitzer, look at logs my friend...kital was first 21:01:01 oh lol 21:01:02 ok 21:01:07 kital, :) 21:01:15 kital, go ahead 21:01:33 first who needs 64 bit live media? 21:01:53 about 100 of those people that ask me every second day 21:01:57 nobody, NA is not doing x86_64 live ether 21:02:21 lol 21:02:24 second was considered that the whole bunch of media for emea f12 was count 1600 and was plenty enough 21:02:45 why do people demand 64 then? 21:02:46 enough in count at least 21:02:47 eof 21:03:10 sleeves will only produced in 1000 steps 21:03:32 I am going for 4000 as a very safe and enough guess :) 21:03:44 4000 what? 21:03:49 whats about 2000 pieces 21:03:51 (considering Africa too) 21:03:58 hey guys 21:04:09 i cant spend money, i do not have 21:04:16 nor is max on the channel 21:04:36 just answer my questions 21:04:46 first who needs 64 bit live media? 21:04:46 about 100 of those people that ask me every second day 21:05:01 !! 21:05:06 can we have a vote on that please? 21:05:16 about money we do not have? 21:05:17 lol? 21:05:30 (may I say something first?) 21:05:44 cweyl|work, 21:05:49 cwickert, go ahead 21:06:09 sspreitzer: two questions: 1. do people really ask for x86_64 *live*? 21:06:16 YES THEY DO 21:06:26 yeah, I would prefer some 64bit media too, most people have such a system at home 21:06:27 please keep it low sspreitzer 21:06:35 2. to how many events have you been so far so you think you can judge this? FWIW people want a livecd to be able to run on any hardware, so it must be i686. this is why NA is not doing x86_64 live 21:06:43 do you think i make a habit in writing bullshit in this channel? take me serious man! 21:07:11 please guys... 21:07:27 biertie: people who are interested in x64_64 are more expirienced users who likely will us a custom install from the DVD anyway 21:07:31 sspreitzer, I think we shall vote on the exeistance of 64 live 21:07:33 +1 to cwickert 21:07:33 sspreitzer: not about money - vote on 64bit live media 21:07:59 ? 21:08:04 cmpahar, 21:08:07 I really think we can skip the x64_64 live. eof 21:08:24 +1 21:08:30 +1 21:08:40 +1 21:08:49 i dont get it. Why can not we create from the total amount of the CDs ~20% 64 bit Cds? 21:08:56 fwiw, we (in Fedora-Fr) have never produced any x86_64 media, and very few people ask for them (while we distribute 1000 i686 media each release) 21:09:19 a little amount of them 21:09:20 eof 21:09:38 cmpahar, a little amount is more expensive than a lot 21:09:41 cmpahar: because the CD master is the most expensive thing. I doesn't matter if you buy 1000 or 2000, the master is expensive, not the copies 21:09:52 from my recent events experiences i can say, that i always have been asked about 64bit medias 21:10:01 *live*? 21:10:22 please try to keep the IRC meeting protocol 21:10:26 cwickert, +1 on the glass master 21:10:29 * cmpahar then my opinion is NOT to create 64bit live CDa 21:10:55 sspreitzer: as an Ambassador you should explain them that it make less sense to use a 64 bit live media - install media are asked for 64bit 21:11:24 Ok i think only sspreitzer is in favor of 64bit live so.... 21:11:42 kita, by which sense? your sense? they ask me, and i tell them i cant explain from my consciousness. 21:12:08 sspreitzer: you are only one - i request a vote on 64 bit media! 21:12:21 guys 21:12:28 +1 for voting 21:12:30 correction sspreitzer: you are only one - i request a vote on 64 bit live media! 21:12:32 do you know how an order process works? 21:12:54 request -> ok -> order -> contract -> prouction -> delivery 21:13:08 i have two kinds of proposals of this company 21:13:20 what do you want now? 21:13:29 2x4000 32 bit? 21:13:49 live and install ? 21:14:10 why not 3x4000? install in i686 and x86_64 and live only in i686 21:14:34 +1 to cwickert 21:14:34 3x2000 would be more than enough 21:14:34 thats 160% of the budget 21:15:10 sspreitzer: sorry, 3x2000 then 21:16:12 Ok guys 21:16:15 Lets vote 21:16:20 ! 21:16:26 cwickert, 21:16:37 by any chance we might ask another vendor for a quote? 21:16:45 +1 21:16:45 to get a better price 21:17:28 I think this is something we should consider, but let's vote now. eof 21:18:11 Ok lets vote on the type and request form other company too 21:18:12 ok? 21:18:44 +1 21:18:48 +1 21:19:05 ok guys voting now on: 21:19:23 i spent four weeks on this guys 21:19:40 have fun 21:19:55 Who is in favor of producing Install DVDs in 32 and 64 bits and 32 bit LiveCDs (preferrably on 3x2000) 21:20:03 +1 21:20:05 +1 21:20:13 +1 21:20:15 +1 21:20:27 +1 21:20:46 * liknus does not understand sspreizer not understanding "feedback" from us 21:20:48 +1 21:21:05 6 votes in favor for now 21:21:09 anyone else? 21:21:17 sspreitzer, you are against it i guess? 21:21:35 i do not know what we are voting on 21:21:37 liknus: he is gone 21:21:39 this is bullocks 21:21:49 was gone 21:21:51 Who is in favor of producing Install DVDs in 32 and 64 bits and 32 bit LiveCDs (preferrably on 3x2000)? 21:21:51 Who is in favor of producing Install DVDs in 32 and 64 bits and 32 bit LiveCDs (preferrably on 3x2000) 21:22:10 ok 21:23:00 sspreitzer: I guess you are -1 on that because you want x86_64 live as well, right? 21:23:16 So sspreitzer are you going to search for other quotes too? 21:23:25 counter vote question; who wants 2000 64bit dvd, 1000 32bit live and, 1000 32bit dvd ? 21:23:31 which is 4x2000 21:23:37 at what price? 21:23:40 which is africa included 21:23:52 i do not know 21:24:00 because i have to request 21:24:08 ok sspreitzer 21:24:09 which bounces the while thing back 3 days 21:24:28 #accepted media for EMEA will be Install DVDs 32 and 64 bit and liveCDs 32 bit 21:24:29 or 21:24:53 cool 21:25:00 how many? 21:25:08 3x2000 21:25:42 we could do 4x2000 = 8000 21:25:53 that would be ok with max 21:26:06 you suggest 6000 pieces 21:26:11 ok, it saves budget 21:26:25 3x2000 sounds perfect 21:26:30 but, we could send 2k more to africa 21:26:43 for example 21:26:48 ! 21:27:02 sspreitzer: 8000 media are 500% more than we had for f12 21:27:25 +1 to kital 21:27:45 rly? ok 21:28:26 ok 21:28:44 3x2000, 21:28:51 +1 21:29:07 so this is set to stone, 3x2000 ? 21:29:10 right? 21:29:16 I guess so 21:29:18 ok 21:29:22 next thing 21:29:26 ! 21:29:34 i heard about live dvds, is that true? 21:29:50 droped on the last SCo meeting 21:30:02 we are only having Live CDs on GA 21:30:04 great 21:30:12 cwickert, on that? 21:30:24 no 21:30:25 sspreitzer: desktop live media have exeeded 700 MB 21:30:39 so we have live dvd for that from now on 21:30:45 kital, only for beta, GA will revert to the old size 21:30:49 kital: they are back to 700 21:31:05 kital, we are back on CDs on GA... i read the SCo logs 21:31:09 * kital shuts up 21:31:13 695 is the official limit, the media guy told me 21:32:01 sorry - have to go - is too late for me 21:32:09 cu all later 21:32:19 thanks liknus for chairing the meeting 21:32:31 bb kital , have a nice night :) 21:32:36 bb kital :) 21:32:54 * sspreitzer waves kital 21:33:03 ! 21:33:13 cwickert, 21:33:42 sspreitzer: I think we should have ~ 1500 left now that we only produce 3x200 discs, right? 21:34:00 s/1500/1500 US $ 21:34:02 no we dont have anything left 21:34:12 since there is nothing produced yet 21:34:31 and the money flows from RHT -> media company 21:34:31 (22:56:41) sspreitzer: Max finally said he would be willing to order 4x2000 pieces with 6000 USD 21:34:49 yep 21:35:05 so 3x2000 only is ~ 4500 US $ 21:35:09 i did not say, max will spend any leftover budget to other things 21:35:19 because its his money 21:35:35 but IMO we should think about how we *could* spend the money 21:35:45 one minute please, I have to assure the figures with my mails 21:35:57 if we come up with a reasonable proposal, he might still give us the 6000 US$ 21:36:01 * cmpahar thinks tha the meeting is taking too long... 21:36:30 * d3vnull agrees with cmpahar 21:36:32 * t2hot concurs with cmpahar 21:36:39 sspreitzer, can you keep us updated via a thread on the list? 21:36:46 * liknus will keep it fast 21:37:05 4x2000 = 6185 USD 21:38:11 * sspreitzer thinks the meeting should take as long as to solve all our problems 21:38:18 otherwise meetings are bullocks 21:38:22 anyway, we should prepare some proposals, so we *eventually* get the 6200 $. I suggest to do this on the list and revisit this topic next week 21:38:36 sspreitzer, shall we continue on a special meeting next week? 21:39:08 (an meetings last as long as we can last) 21:39:08 -1 21:39:17 (and dont curse on the channel) 21:39:18 guys 21:39:44 by the status of now, i am going to order 3x2000, nothing more, nothing less 21:40:00 liknus, next meeting point 21:40:05 eof 21:40:22 Next on is Spins 21:40:33 yep, please trigger 21:40:38 ! 21:40:40 who is in favor of discussing it on aspecial meeting? 21:40:46 cwickert, 21:40:46 -1 21:40:52 -1 21:40:57 +1 21:41:00 +1 21:41:09 +1 21:41:09 come on guys 21:41:17 you are just wathing things 21:41:27 i do the work and you vote 21:41:29 that sucks 21:41:35 sspreitzer: follow meeting protocol please. tia 21:41:45 sspreitzer, we all do the work....and stop acting selfish 21:41:46 ! 21:41:59 cwickert, go ahead 21:42:12 I think there is no budget for spins anyway. we don't even have KDE, not to mention Xfce and LXDE. so IMO we don't need to talk about spins until we have more budget 21:42:23 eof 21:42:27 ! 21:42:30 ! 21:42:41 sspreitzer, 21:42:51 bochecha, please, go ahead first 21:42:57 regarding who is in favor of discussing it on aspecial meeting? 21:43:09 who is in favor of starting to discuss things on the mailing list instead of always waiting for next meeting to actually do stuff? 21:43:11 eof 21:43:21 +1 21:43:28 +1 21:43:34 +1 21:43:50 although some things need to be discussed on meetings 21:44:04 but this kind of things can be also resolved in mailing list 21:44:14 sspreitzer, can you take care of it? 21:44:57 im taking care of it since weeks 21:45:03 pinging people 21:45:06 writing mails 21:45:07 on the list I mean 21:45:16 being there on every meeting 21:45:27 writing, explaining, meeting 21:45:40 no more waiting 21:45:41 we all do our part on different parts of the project sspreitzer 21:45:52 right 21:46:13 and I ask you 21:46:22 why am I attending this meeting? 21:46:25 calm down 21:46:40 we are discussing things and getting feedback 21:46:43 I attend this meeting to write mails to mailing lists. 21:46:59 we all have our scedules and our ways of doing things 21:47:25 please, dont explain me 21:47:30 So we agreed on the architectures and on quantity roughly 21:47:38 yes 21:47:42 next thing, spins 21:47:44 and we need to specify the possibilty of spins 21:47:52 this can also be done on the list 21:47:54 less chitchat, more quality in meetings 21:48:15 sspreitzer, you can start helping on this my friend :) 21:48:15 it cant 21:48:25 start? 21:48:34 man, i am almost at the end of it 21:48:50 sspreitzer, ok go ahead on spins 21:49:03 #topic Spins Media 21:49:04 cwickert, spins? 21:49:32 cwickert, you are mostly involved in the spin question 21:49:46 and you stated you _think_ there is no money 21:49:58 i _think_ there is 21:50:22 it all ends up to asking max 21:50:35 ok sspreitzer can you ask Max on that? 21:50:36 negotiating design team 21:50:44 no 21:50:57 i had a chat with cwickert about spins 21:50:58 no ? :S 21:51:27 he agreed to organize the spins with a last try 21:51:29 sspreitzer: a small set of CDs, say 1000 pieces it 9000 $, this means at least 2700 $ for KDE, Xfce and LXDE 21:51:34 I think we cannot do this 21:51:47 s/9000/900 21:52:00 okay 21:52:13 once again cwickert 21:52:20 maybe then you learn 21:52:27 have you asked max? 21:52:35 I will try to get a statement from max, but until then there is nothing to talk about 21:52:38 have you got a NO GO, NOT OK ? 21:52:49 I have nothing yet 21:52:58 this is all your impressions and thoughts 21:52:59 sspreitzer, please try not to be sarcastic 21:53:04 i do not share those 21:53:18 we can have spins and is up to one, to stand up and do 21:54:03 i am literally sick about hearing utters about this and that not happening, but those that utter do not standup for the task themself 21:54:04 eof 21:54:19 sspreitzer: it is not about doing things bug about *paying*. If you are willing to pay 3000 US$ I promise to take care of the spins ;) 21:54:41 +1 on cwickert 21:54:53 cwickert, okay, once again 21:54:58 maybe then you learn 21:55:05 have you asked max? 21:55:31 he thinks: ne spin request -> no spin budget 21:55:40 again: I have not yet been able to get a statement from him 21:55:43 you think: no spin budget -> no spin request 21:56:03 ok 21:56:04 sspreitzer, please do NOT be sarcastic...... I am not gonna ask for it again 21:56:24 liknus, since when do you have the right to judge? 21:56:37 so 21:57:09 outcomes of this agenda point: no answer from max, cwickert will take care of spins on his own? 21:57:10 sspreitzer, watch your phrases on the meeting my friend 21:57:21 * cwickert thinks that liknus is chair of this meeting and sspreitzer should accept this 21:57:24 yes honorable judge 21:57:36 sspreitzer, please stop it 21:57:41 brothers....brothers...please 21:57:53 Ok lets get back to order 21:58:00 #action cwickert to request a statement on the budget for spins media from Max 21:58:06 next topic? 21:58:08 we are fellow ambassadors. we might have different ideas but lets not hurl hurtful words at each other. 21:58:15 +1 21:58:22 ! 21:58:44 It is not about different ideas d3vnull but nevermind :) all in good will 21:58:46 * cmpahar maybe it should be a good idea to stop the meeting now :) 21:58:57 sspreitzer, 21:59:26 sometimes it needs rough words to solve a hard problem 21:59:35 +1 cmpahar 21:59:54 #topic Previous Items 21:59:59 i do not make a habit in insulting others, but my line of good will has an end 22:00:15 sspreitzer, we can see that :) 22:00:15 * cmpahar sspreitzer and sometimes needs serious and careful words. 22:00:22 ok 22:00:32 On the previous meeting we took some action points 22:00:38 #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-04-14/fedora-meeting.2010-04-14-20.05.html 22:00:47 so 22:00:56 cmpahar, yes true. if my temper wouldnt interfere. i am half french. i think i inherited some passion. 22:01:10 bochecha, and I should have uploaded some things on the wiki 22:01:27 sspreitzer, i though you were bavarian... 22:01:44 right 22:01:48 forgot about it though 22:01:52 born in bavaria, mother french 22:01:57 ;) 22:02:10 bochecha, shall we try for next week? 22:02:28 #action bochecha and liknus upload Carlos work on wiki 22:02:43 yeah, I'll do it right now so as to not forget again 22:02:49 so cmpahar updated the wiki (and has to finalize it) 22:03:00 giannisk made the wiki page 22:03:09 please excuse everyone to longhaul this meeting 22:03:19 I talked to Max on buttons 22:03:34 sspreitzer, contacted desing team? 22:04:01 they have started the stuff without my need to contact them 22:04:08 im watching 22:04:10 ok nice 22:04:10 eof 22:04:26 So thats about it 22:04:32 So... 22:04:41 #topic OpenFloor 22:04:57 I am going to end this meeting in 2 minutes :) 22:05:13 thanks liknus 22:05:30 +1 22:05:49 i want to say thank you to myself on spending 4 weeks of work on the media shit 22:06:13 which noone worths like 22:06:33 and thank to others for showing hostility where friendship should be 22:06:55 :( 22:07:21 if you hold a media CD in your hands for F13, consider where it comes from 22:07:23 sspreitzer, you have to learn hearing other voices and accepting our feedback 22:07:46 sspreitzer: we *do* value your work but we don't like your reproachful and hostile tone 22:07:50 sspreitzer, I am sorry you feel that way but this is definately *not* our intention 22:08:23 We deeply aknowledge your contributions and we need to work them out in our community :) 22:08:40 STOP 22:08:43 sspreitzer, you are being soooo selfish.. Please try to relax and listen ... 22:08:45 YOU != WE 22:08:47 So please calm down and try to be part of the whole proposal and feedback community thing 22:08:59 .... 22:09:09 liknus, speak about yourself, and let others speak for their opinion 22:09:15 its incredible 22:09:37 cmpahar, and cwickert are saying thesame thing my friend :) 22:09:45 my brothers in fedora...lets keep it cool here. 22:10:00 it is cool in our side d3vnull :) 22:10:02 that YOU ARE NOT LISTENING to anyone, except YOURSELF! 22:10:20 Ok ....ending the meeting now 22:10:32 its worthless 22:10:38 #endmeeting