19:14:36 #startmeeting EMEA Africa Meeting 19:14:36 Meeting started Wed May 5 19:14:36 2010 UTC. The chair is sspreitzer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:14:36 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:14:42 here we are 19:14:50 #chair acaleechurn 19:14:50 Current chairs: acaleechurn sspreitzer 19:15:00 #topic RollCall 19:15:07 .fas cmpahar 19:15:09 cmpahar: cmpahar 'Christos Bacharakis' 19:15:09 give me your names ;) 19:15:12 .fas acaleechurn 19:15:13 acaleechurn: acaleechurn 'Amit Caleechurn' 19:15:14 Joerg Simon 19:15:18 .fas sspreitzer 19:15:19 sspreitzer: sspreitzer 'Sascha Thomas Spreitzer' 19:15:31 .fas constanton 19:15:31 constanton: constanton 'Konstantinos Antonakoglou' 19:15:36 .fas ppapadeas 19:15:39 liknus: ppapadeas 'Papadeas Pierros' 19:16:15 ok 19:16:19 someone missing? 19:16:34 (yeap... many people from Africa) 19:16:54 ok, i think im gonna drop the first agenda point from me 19:17:12 because only amit is here from africa 19:17:26 so 19:17:31 next one is 19:17:45 #topic Upcoming Events + F13 Release Events 19:18:07 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events#FY11_Q1_.28March_2010_-_May_2010.29_3 19:18:20 i only see IDLELO on this list 19:18:23 ! 19:18:40 can someone please give the link to the F13 events? 19:18:45 kital, yes 19:19:15 i just want to say some lines in general to the Release Parties? 19:19:27 of course, go ahead 19:19:38 we look forward to the Fedora 13 Release on 18.05. 19:19:44 may some of you have seen the FAmSCo call for Release Parties F13 already 19:19:46 ! 19:19:51 http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/ambassadors/2010-April/014337.html 19:19:57 and 19:20:02 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F13_release_events 19:20:07 this is a great opportunity for all African Contributors to make some noise to be heard as a part of the Fedora Community 19:20:21 even for the smallest Release Party you can do a Event Report 19:20:28 and make some Pictures to post it on the Fedora Planet 19:20:33 to show the world there is a Fedora Community in Africa 19:20:47 the Marketing Team has done a great job to provide the informations to the new release 19:20:56 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_13_Talking_Points 19:21:01 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F13_press_kit 19:21:06 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/13/FeatureList 19:21:15 Release Parties happen in an early stage after the release 19:21:20 so in the most cases we have no "official" Media 19:21:26 it is to show new features, may provide a burning station or local mirror 19:21:33 usb-creator-station - or just sit together and celebrate - just use your fantasie 19:21:41 it would be a great marketing stunt for Fedora and also for Africa 19:22:02 to have a lot Release Parties at the same time and flood the Planet with "high quality" Release Event Reports and Pictures 19:22:05 eof 19:22:08 .fas t2hot 19:22:09 t2hot: twohot 'Onyeibo Oku' 19:22:24 ah great, t2hot joined us 19:22:30 good to see you t2hot 19:22:43 thanks for your words on the releas parties, kital 19:22:51 liknus, yes please 19:23:01 * t2hot waves back at sspreitzer 19:23:36 I am just conserned that in an African meeting are only 2 Africans and 3 Greeks with 2 Germans... 19:23:37 eof 19:23:46 ! 19:23:52 acaleechurn, yep 19:24:41 i think it may just be the time difference, i am at UTC +3 , the rest of the guys on UTC +2 +4 so maye we need to look at the meeting time again? eof 19:24:54 +1 19:24:54 +1 to acaleechurn 19:25:01 +1 indeed 19:25:31 OK, so any UTC time suggests for a new meeting time ? 19:25:40 ! 19:25:53 t2hot, acaleechurn, please give us examples 19:25:55 :) 19:26:05 ! 19:26:06 t2hot, yes please 19:26:28 same time as regular EMEA meetings 21:00 19:26:32 eof 19:26:46 * liknus emea meetings are on 20:00 UTC 19:27:02 * t2hot stands corrected 19:27:17 acaleechurn, your opinion? 19:28:09 well we were 12 last time, we have the country listing so we can either plot them on the map and see the timezones or just go for a vote, but we'll need to shoot a mail to the list eof 19:28:33 12 from africa* 19:28:40 eof 19:29:02 I also think that infrastructure problems can be a reason 19:29:22 and of course bandwidth and money 19:29:38 last time we saw many connecting with GSM modems 19:30:01 so 19:30:34 ! 19:30:34 im asking myself if IRC is the correct tool to handle this? 19:30:44 kital, yep 19:31:16 * nods in agreement ... as electrical power just goes out 19:31:26 it seems a lot of them are students maybe Meeting Time on Daytime 08:00 UTC - 16:00 UTC will guarantee more internet access to them 19:31:30 eof 19:31:46 ok 19:31:53 I have a suggestion 19:32:12 What do you guys think if we negotiate a new meeting time by the mailing list ? 19:32:17 +1 19:32:21 +1 19:32:37 +1 19:32:54 +1 19:33:11 #action sspreitzer to negotiate new meeting time via ML for EMEA Africa meetings 19:33:14 right 19:33:15 +1 19:33:19 hehe 19:33:20 ok 19:33:41 any event left? 19:33:49 what about news about IDLELO? 19:33:52 ! 19:34:00 kital, enlighten us 19:34:02 :) 19:34:30 the last Day on Idlelo will be held as a Community Event Free for all 19:34:45 http://idlelo.net/content/idlelo-4-community-summit 19:35:01 i already blogged about it 19:35:05 The Idlelo Community Summit would be a great place to gather with the other Fedora Fellows from Ghana and surrounding countries - please contact Isaac and we can hopefully have a kick-start in west-africa for Fedora ... 19:35:59 kital, eof? 19:36:10 maybe other Ambassadors from Ghana like edgates can pick up some swag there 19:36:46 swag is on his way to Pierros https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/21 19:36:50 eof 19:36:53 ok 19:37:07 I have some words about IDLELO 19:37:11 ! 19:37:43 In my $dayjob I work with many people all arround the world 19:37:52 and i know what mindset affect people 19:37:58 So 19:38:36 I had some messages with Isaac, and he was happy about the fact he is going to talk about Fedora at IDLELO 19:38:47 to the people in Ghana 19:39:14 and he is now overrun by Pierros giving the talks 19:39:21 !!! 19:39:23 ! 19:39:34 which is in my opinion not good, I think Isaac is the right person 19:39:42 to present Fedora in Ghana 19:39:47 * liknus my god sspreitzer dont talk on things you dont know! 19:39:51 just my opinion 19:40:05 liknus, yes 19:40:22 sspreitzer, I am in constant communication with Isaac 19:40:32 the programme of IDLELO is here 19:40:33 http://idlelo.net/content/conference-programme 19:40:43 Fedora is references two times 19:40:53 one on "Non-Profit Administration" 19:40:58 and one on a workshop 19:41:31 liknus, one question are either native to ghana?? 19:41:33 on the talk "Non-profit Administration" if we stay on that panel i think that both of us should be on the panel 19:42:13 this is not a final program and my name was put there without our knowing 19:42:35 We are in contact with administration to change that (add Issac) 19:43:16 if this is not possible, Isaac would be happy to take over the workshop to present Fedora in his specialty (the Security Spin_ 19:43:30 or he can go to the panel 19:43:50 and let me present a workshop on my specialty (l10n and Transifex) 19:44:11 so either way a local Ghanain (Isaac) will speak for Fedora 19:44:37 so sspreitzer please get the full picture before expressing *views* and *opinions* 19:45:03 especially when you are referring to 3rd parties... (Isaac is not here) 19:45:41 I think that our (Isaac and mine) way to handle IDLELO both makes us happy :) 19:45:47 In Fedora-way 19:46:20 IDLELO is going to be a brilliant event for Fedora and Ghanaian Community 19:46:22 eof 19:46:27 +1 19:46:48 +1 Cool 19:47:05 +1 as long as there is a native speaker 19:47:10 +1 19:47:41 My opinion stays, If there is one person to represent Fedora to the Ghana people, then its isaac from Ghana. 19:47:50 but ok 19:47:56 kital, you were next 19:48:23 just to add something - we all - i think also you sspreitzer thought it would be a good idea to have 19:48:54 a cooperation with an local Ambassador and an EMEA Ambassador to show the unity and the Support 19:49:20 s/EMEA Ambassador/EMEA Ambassador from Europe/ 19:49:35 pardon me, but we are one 19:50:09 sspreitzer: i refer to the meeting where we decided to support the Event - there were a lot +1 19:50:10 sspreitzer, ? 19:50:21 even you volunteered to fly over 19:50:38 so i think it will be a great joint venture 19:50:39 eif 19:50:40 eof 19:50:53 liknus, yes please 19:51:14 pardon me, but we are one << what do you mean? 19:51:15 eof 19:51:50 we are the borg - we are one 19:51:52 ;) 19:51:54 lol 19:51:58 just a joke ;) 19:52:10 ;) 19:52:31 I think we shouldnt go into a, us or them, thinking. 19:52:36 we are EMEA 19:52:39 ! 19:53:01 none said such thing sspreitzer :) 19:53:19 constanton, yes 19:53:34 I think that a number greater than 1 of people from Fedora, participating on an Event is for sure a way to attract people on the project 19:53:44 +1 19:53:54 +1 19:54:05 +1 19:54:13 +1 19:54:17 beyond what kital said about the participation of an Ambassador 19:54:30 ! 19:54:39 from Europe 19:54:42 eof 19:54:49 All i wanted to point out is the fact that a speaker from Ghana can have a natural affect to the audience, because he is within the mindset of the audience. 19:55:30 Isaac volunteered, and I think it would be better him holding a talk about Fedora as the primary speaker. 19:55:37 Southern_Gentlem, yes please 19:55:41 sspreitzer, there are two speakers for fedora on this event..... one on a panel and one on a workshop 19:55:44 * kital was alway amazed by Heros from far away 19:56:14 * liknus there is no *talk*.. just panel and workshop 19:56:44 sspreitzer: so why send over liknus over then for much money? 19:56:55 i have been talking to my grad students from that area and a native person will represent better (in some regions there is still a high mistrust of people from europe (from the colonization days) 19:57:10 eof 19:57:17 thank you Southern_Gentlem 19:57:43 ! 19:58:03 As I can see we have slip away a bit from the topic 19:58:04 * cmpahar thinks that we are discussing irrelevant things... 19:58:18 I will switch to the open floor in 5 minutes 19:58:23 kital, yes please 19:58:44 so should we stay away from send over European Ambassadors in the future if ther is mistrust to European People? 19:58:54 s/ther/there/ 19:58:55 eof 19:59:01 ! 19:59:02 ! 19:59:03 ! 19:59:39 -1 19:59:42 Please people, answer calmly 19:59:55 Southern_Gentlem, yes, please go ahead 20:00:04 we need to be aware, and make sure the local people take the lead at events 20:00:18 eof 20:00:29 +1 20:00:43 acaleechurn, yep 20:01:06 Southern_Gentlem: yes Isaac is the Event Owner 20:01:36 * sspreitzer rembers kital on meeting rules 20:01:46 * t2hot "gentlemen,... eh,the agenda" 20:02:05 i thinks the issue of mistrust is a bit far fetched as we all have some kind of mentoring from EU to start in Fedora, i think the point is just about involving the local people while at the same time having the support of the community represented by X Y Z 20:02:05 right 20:02:17 acaleechurn and then liknus 20:02:22 eof 20:02:36 +1 20:02:39 :) 20:03:01 liknus, please go ahead 20:03:16 ! 20:03:17 after liknus i will switch to open floor for 15 minutes 20:03:25 IDLELO is and Pan-African and International event... staying in this course if Fedora has a local speaker and an International one then this is the best approach... 20:03:45 Fedora IS going to have both that speakers so WHY are we staying so much on this 20:03:47 eof 20:03:57 #topic open floor 20:04:06 go ahead 20:04:13 write freely 20:04:23 :) 20:04:50 ! 20:04:56 I think kital has to speak first 20:05:12 i think we should ask the question in general - is Africa ready to stay on their own ? i would say no - but the African Ambassadors may want to define milestones 20:05:29 small steps 20:05:57 ? 20:05:57 right now even the Africa Meeting is hold by a non Africa Ambassador 20:06:05 :) 20:06:15 oh, hey d3vnull 20:06:22 good to see you 20:06:22 im sorry I came late 20:06:23 so the question is - next step is to integrate them into EMEA 20:06:47 ! 20:06:52 !! 20:06:56 no meeting rules 20:06:59 for one more time we lost our goals, our subject our topic and finally we had a meeting without African contributors which is sad. I can't see what did we exactly earned from this meeting :) 20:06:59 just write 20:07:05 or have a African Meeting Chair or what could be the next steps or milestones - i think African Ambassador know this better then all others 20:07:31 i want to remind, that we are EMEA 20:07:44 +1 to cmpahar 20:07:47 but with focus on Africa in this meeting.... :) 20:07:50 sspreitzer: yes thats why i asked next step is to integrate them into EMEA? 20:07:52 kital, intergrade them into EMEA , there is not a big number of active African contributors 20:08:04 for having a special meeting, special chair blah blah blah 20:08:06 if someone is speaking about reintegrating this, he did from the start not understand what bootstrapping or drawing a focus means. 20:08:44 sspreitzer: right now i do not see milestones, vision, next steps 20:08:50 as sspreitzer said, WE ARE EMEA.. Africa is in EMEA region :) 20:08:53 Gentlemen! The worry over african participation is tooooooooooo young 20:09:02 kital, after bootstrapping is done and we have an ambassador base in africa which is ok 20:09:45 yes not a big number of contributors but a big number of african ambassadors 20:09:45 the step taken is to ensure that we can bring all of them together 20:09:45 we can have twice the number of contributors in africa if we build the infrastructure to help it grow 20:10:04 can you please define bootstrapping - seems you refered to me with understand what bootstrapping or drawing a focus means 20:10:12 can you please explain it? 20:10:14 +1 acaleechurn 20:10:23 +1 acaleechurn 20:10:56 +1 acaleechurn 20:11:37 of course we can see from today's meeting that something has gone wrong somewhere but we can fix it 20:11:42 +1 acaleechurn 20:11:47 its only the second meeting 20:12:06 we are only to start to build and rome was not built in a day :-) 20:12:13 we'll get there 20:12:17 would it make sense to give the more responsibility? 20:12:26 absolutely and exactly correct acaleechurn 20:12:33 kital, when you have a few minutes i would like to talk to you for a couple of minutes in pm please 20:13:16 Southern_Gentlem: sure 20:13:40 ok 20:13:46 2 more minutes 20:13:56 and i will close the meeting 20:13:57 :) 20:14:25 : 20:14:26 :) 20:14:26 * t2hot will be powering down in 5mins. He has no electricity and his m6300 batteries is almost dead 20:14:56 t2hot, thank you for being at the meeting 20:15:14 t2hot, i hope to see you next time also 20:15:20 sspreitzer action items 20:15:29 right 20:15:32 contact ML to set new meeting time? 20:15:34 ...that's what its all about sspreitzer 20:15:55 or discussion in #fedora-africa? 20:15:57 acaleechurn, yes, i think i #action'ed that 20:16:01 ok 20:16:26 any words left? 20:16:32 5 20:16:37 4 20:16:48 1 20:16:52 finito :P 20:16:54 cmpahar, :P 20:16:57 3 20:17:04 2 20:17:09 1 20:17:16 0.5 20:17:19 :p 20:17:20 :-) 20:17:21 0 re! 20:17:26 :) 20:17:28 #endmeeting