05:14:39 <juhp> #startmeeting i18n
05:14:39 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu May 13 05:14:39 2010 UTC.  The chair is juhp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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05:15:06 <juhp> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2010-05-13
05:15:22 <juhp> not too much specific agenda today but maybe we can do a quick meeting
05:16:52 <dychen> hi
05:17:01 <tagoh> hi
05:17:07 <dueno> hi
05:17:51 <epico_laptop> hi
05:17:54 <paragan> hi
05:18:30 <juhp> I guess f13 is largely frozen so probably good time to start thinking also about f14...
05:19:16 <juhp> anyone have any other agenda topics for today?
05:19:42 <juhp> #topic F13
05:20:12 <juhp> f13 should be in the RC phase now so just taking critical release blocker bugs
05:20:51 <juhp> final release is now due 2010-05-25 according to the schedule
05:21:42 <juhp> of course it is still good to fix other (particularly target) bugs for f13-updates
05:22:22 <juhp> tagoh: do you think we can fix l10n-font-template.conf ?
05:22:42 <juhp> would be good to stop more fonts being packaged with the current template :)
05:22:49 <tagoh> sure. but dunno if I can access to fontpackages?
05:22:55 <juhp> ah
05:23:00 <juhp> tagoh: did you apply? :)
05:23:08 <tagoh> no
05:23:19 <juhp> ok - perhaps you could :)
05:23:19 <tagoh> let me try and let you know if not accessible
05:23:23 <juhp> cool
05:23:57 <juhp> tagoh: so current f13 fonts package setting looking good? :)
05:24:01 <juhp> erm
05:24:04 <juhp> package set
05:24:16 <juhp> I mean fonts packages
05:24:19 <tagoh> juhp: should be good
05:24:23 <juhp> great
05:24:33 <tagoh> except ll vs ll-cc issue
05:25:09 <juhp> 39 f13 bugs open
05:25:10 <tagoh> perhaps need to spam another bugs for that - to add <string>ll</string> for a workaround?
05:25:14 <juhp> tagoh: aha
05:25:27 <juhp> tagoh: ok sounds good
05:25:35 <juhp> so we need both right?
05:25:51 <tagoh> yep
05:26:05 <juhp> would rather fontconfig did the right thing but guess we need that workaround for now...
05:26:30 <juhp> we should probably file a bug upstream for that?
05:26:59 <tagoh> there should be one already
05:27:04 <juhp> ah ok
05:30:00 <juhp> yeah I think need to divide up the bugs into areas to track them better perhaps
05:30:43 <juhp> I don't really have any other specific f13 bugs that look urgent enough to discuss now...
05:30:47 <juhp> anyone else?
05:31:35 <juhp> I'd like to look at f11 bugs next since they will get auto-closed soon I guess
05:31:53 <juhp> shall we move on?
05:33:41 <juhp> hmm also 91 f12 bugs...
05:33:46 <juhp> #topic f11 bugs
05:34:14 <juhp> ok just 18 f11 bugs :)
05:36:07 <juhp> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?product=Fedora&version=11&bug_status=__open__&emailcc2=1&emailtype2=exact&email2=i18n-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org
05:37:52 <paragan> ok
05:38:57 <paragan> I see 2 bugs for eng-l10n-bugs
05:39:03 <paragan> hmm very old bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=132527
05:40:28 <juhp> phuang, epico_laptop: there are 3 scim bugs
05:40:28 <juhp> 506878 medium low Linux phuang@redhat.com NEW  scim-panel-gtk sometimes crashes after upgrading from F-10
05:40:28 <juhp> 522991 medium low Linux phuang@redhat.com NEW  SCIM exiting abnormally on FC11 after update
05:40:29 <juhp> 502425 medium medium Linux phuang@redhat.com ASSIGNED  after upgrading from f10 to f11 scim stops working
05:41:26 <kaio> hi
05:41:45 <juhp> <juhp> kaio: can you check if:
05:41:46 <juhp> 487581 medium low Linux cchance@redhat.com ASSIGNED  Liberation Mono: incorrect spacing for Combining Diacritical Marks.
05:41:46 <juhp> 526957 medium low Linux cchance@redhat.com ASSIGNED  Fonts are larger than the windows equivalents
05:41:46 <juhp> these f11 bugs are still valid and if they should be kept open then move them to a newer release?
05:42:15 <juhp> paragan: could you check those please
05:42:25 <pravins> oops, was doing some other stuff
05:42:26 <kaio> the former, yes; the latter, still clarifying with reporter
05:42:29 <pravins> hi all
05:42:39 <paragan> juhp, moved fonts-ISO8859-2 to rawhide
05:42:41 <juhp> kaio: ok
05:42:44 <juhp> thanks
05:42:59 <paragan> checking myanmar3-unicode-fonts bug 477429
05:43:14 <kaio> the latter led to a to-do for matching sizing metadata in Font-Info on TTF
05:43:15 <phuang> how about close some scim bugs as wontfix
05:43:16 <juhp> I guess xchat is still broken in f13
05:43:35 <juhp> phuang: ok I leave with you guys
05:43:35 * kaio will rename the summary of that bug
05:43:58 <juhp> ok
05:44:06 <phuang> ok
05:44:41 <juhp> main thing is decision we need need to keep the bug (is it still valid for newer releases) and relevant - if so then move to f12 or f13 or rawhide
05:44:42 <juhp> that is all
05:44:53 <juhp> do we need to *
05:45:21 <juhp> otherwise they will get closed next month when F11 goes EOL
05:45:31 <kaio> prefer to move to new one, I prefer to look into that
05:45:34 <pravins> juhp: i have one topic may be w.r.t. font package review
05:45:34 <juhp> and lost "forever"
05:45:40 <juhp> kaio: sure
05:46:39 <juhp> otherwise the counter point is we don't want to keep unimportant trivial bugs that we don't have time to fix open forever - so that is the judgement of package owner
05:46:46 <tagoh> guess #507262 might be FutureFeature
05:46:52 <juhp> aha
05:47:06 <juhp> pravins: ok let's talk about that after this
05:47:42 <juhp> perhaps we will continue with remaining f11 bugs next week - so the more we can clean away before that the better
05:48:29 <juhp> phuang: could you check #511798 (eclipse) ?
05:48:43 <phuang> ok
05:48:57 <juhp> I think myanmar fonts not just updated?
05:53:18 <juhp> hm 14 bugs now
05:53:53 <juhp> no fujiwara
05:54:25 <juhp> dueno: could you or fujiwara-san check #478914
05:54:27 <juhp> ?
05:55:08 <dueno> juhp: will check it
05:55:14 <juhp> all: please remember to change the version in the bug when updating if appropriate
05:55:17 <juhp> dueno: thanks!
05:56:06 <juhp> phuang, epico_laptop: also please #484643
05:57:15 <juhp> tagoh: thanks
05:57:39 <juhp> I'll try to look at the gnomecc ones before next time
05:57:54 <juhp> # open discussion
05:57:57 <pravins> juhp: bug #528303
05:58:06 <juhp> pravins: you wanted to talk about fonts packaging?
05:58:13 <juhp> .bug 528303
05:58:15 <zodbot> juhp: Bug 528303 [ml_IN] Reordering of Malayalam Rakar not working properly - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=528303
05:58:23 <pravins> just moved that to QT
05:58:36 <pravins> i think this stuff is still not fixed
05:58:55 <juhp> ok thanks
05:59:08 <juhp> should we help to fix it?
05:59:26 <juhp> since guess Than may not?
05:59:49 <pravins> i tested last time on qt-4.7.0-0.8.tp.fc14
05:59:58 <pravins> i think qt has done some fixing
06:00:06 <pravins> so i will test and see
06:00:10 <juhp> okay cool
06:00:16 <juhp> so it is really f12 bug?
06:00:46 <pravins> it is there in F12 as well
06:01:20 <juhp> yeah but is it fixed later in f13/f14?
06:01:44 <pravins> not sure now
06:01:47 <juhp> ok
06:02:20 <pravins> w.r.t font package review, i think we should motivate upstream to release source file .sfd as well with binary .ttf
06:02:30 <juhp> repeating myself I think we need to split up bugs/topic by focus areas like fonts and input-methods etc
06:02:53 <juhp> pravins: yep - I think it might be part of package review process?
06:03:01 <pravins> yes
06:03:05 <pravins> .563841
06:03:14 <juhp> tagoh: how about the fonts/rendering meeting? :)
06:03:22 <pravins> .bug 563841
06:03:24 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 563841 [ml_IN] Meera Font has character missing problem with '(' - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=563841
06:03:34 <pravins> then these kind of bug we can fix easily with patch
06:03:44 <juhp> aha right
06:03:52 <pravins> presently we need to totally depends upon upstream for fix it
06:03:54 <juhp> pravins: have you added them? :)
06:04:12 <juhp> pravins: hmm yeah hard to patch .ttf files
06:04:19 <pravins> hmm
06:04:19 <tagoh> juhp: will have some conclusion till next meeting hopefully
06:04:32 <juhp> pravins: guess you could fix with fontforge and roll a new .ttf but...
06:04:37 <juhp> tagoh: great
06:04:48 <juhp> that will take some load off this meeting :)
06:05:06 <pravins> no props :)
06:05:08 <juhp> tagoh: so first meeting the week after that?
06:05:30 <juhp> cool
06:05:47 <juhp> anyone planning any features for F14?
06:05:52 <pravins> it will be good to put then new .ttf file, since nkumar has already fixed the bug and waiting for upstream only
06:06:07 <juhp> pravins: yeah might be ok for short-term
06:06:30 <juhp> as long as it does not break the upstream license
06:06:36 <pravins> nkumar: in that case i think we can try same thing for rawhide then
06:06:41 <pravins> lets see how it goes
06:06:47 <pravins> aha
06:06:47 <nkumar> pravins: yep
06:07:09 <juhp> anyone have anything else?
06:07:32 <nkumar> upstream is slow, I think we need to take a bhopu and shout in their head ;)
06:07:44 <juhp> hehe
06:07:48 <pravins> he he
06:09:08 <juhp> okay
06:09:18 <juhp> anything else?
06:09:31 <juhp> otherwise we'll stop here for today
06:12:55 <juhp> ok then thank you for today's meeting!
06:13:06 <juhp> #endmeeting