19:01:01 #startmeeting Fedora 13 Release Readiness Meeting 19:01:01 Meeting started Thu May 13 19:01:01 2010 UTC. The chair is poelcat. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:01:01 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:02:19 poelcat: hi, I am here 19:02:23 jlaska: sparks spot stickster mmcgrath mchua_afk Oxf13 noriko 19:02:28 noriko: hi 19:02:32 oh hai 19:02:33 ricky: too 19:02:37 I knew I was supposed to be here for something 19:02:39 hai 19:02:40 * jlaska 19:03:11 * poelcat waits another minute for people to appear 19:03:41 before we start... is there a strong preference with folks here as to how close this meeting should be to release day? 19:03:52 in the past we'vd moved it when the release moved 19:04:09 this time i thought it was easier to schedule to just keep the meeting day/time static 19:04:17 thoughts/preferences? 19:05:06 * stickster here 19:05:26 * sparks is here 19:05:49 poelcat: I don't have any better suggestions, open to keeping the time and we can learn+adjust as needed 19:06:10 * stickster OK with it too. 19:06:37 +1 19:06:48 There might be something to say for judging readiness on the original schedule, as opposed to thinking of everything as "extra time" 19:07:26 okay 19:07:31 let's roll 19:07:36 anyone dying to go first? 19:08:01 #topic Documentation 19:08:17 sparks: how are things looking and what do we need to know? 19:08:39 Things are going really well. 19:09:04 The Release Notes have been translated into 8 languages with three more very close to being complete. 19:09:11 sparks: awesome 19:09:27 The guides are out (on docs.fp.o) and have been translated into many languages already. 19:09:35 sparks: you're also working the release announcement with marketing? 19:09:38 Nothing else to report... we are ready for F13! 19:09:43 Ummm 19:09:53 sparks: I think that we noticed not as many changes came in very late in the cycle to Release Notes, and we thought that might be due to the way early branching has affected the release 19:09:54 I need to follow up on that. 19:10:02 rbergeron: ping 19:10:17 poelcat: Marketing has been working on that, and Docs got email about the current state 19:10:34 good to hear 19:10:35 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_13_announcement 19:10:43 That's the current text. 19:10:46 any questions/discussion for Documentation team? 19:11:12 * stickster points out for extra love the point above about early branching 19:11:36 * poelcat notes love 19:11:36 These processes do visibly affect other teams, and it seemed to be a very positive way in this case 19:11:42 * jlaska feels the love here 19:11:43 yes? 19:11:55 rbergeron: can you represent marketing? :) 19:11:59 sure! 19:12:09 sparks: thanks 19:12:10 * rbergeron reads up 19:12:15 #topic Marketing Team 19:12:24 rbergeron: how are we looking for the final release 19:12:35 anything we need to discuss w/ other teams, etc? 19:13:02 Very good. We are wrapping up the one-page release notes - we'll be sending them over to design as soon as we have some last pieces in place (screenshots, etc) that mchua and I are plopping in today. 19:13:29 excellent 19:13:38 Other than that - all our feature profiles are out the door, and we're just monitoring news and press as it comes in. 19:13:46 All good and positive, I might add. :) 19:13:53 great to hear 19:14:05 any questions/discussion for marketing team? 19:14:42 thanks rbergeron 19:14:44 rbergeron: Is there any help marketing can use with the one-page notes at this point that another team could provide? 19:14:58 Oh bother, I just saw your note about design. 19:15:02 * stickster withdraws question 19:15:08 #topic Translation Team 19:15:17 noriko: sounds like you all have been busy 19:15:27 poelcat: yup :-)) 19:15:27 * stickster stands and applauds LOUDLY 19:15:34 noriko: anything you need to coordinate or let us know here? 19:16:00 2 things I like to confirm for the team. 19:16:37 1. according to slip schedule, can we confirm that the translation deadline should also get another week? 19:17:30 2. website master-fp POs has got recently updated after 10-May, can we have a chance to work on this again? 19:17:31 deadline for what? 19:17:47 deadline for any translations in packages would not get changed 19:17:52 noriko: From the Docs perspective you do have an extra week. We won't push final work to docs.fp.o until the night before. 19:18:14 I think that goes for Docs, and for Websites, is that right ricky? 19:18:20 Oxf13: yup, understood that 19:18:49 and yes, for docs and websites. 19:18:49 Oops, no ricky perhaps. 19:18:59 noriko: I'm almost certain that goes for Websites as well. 19:19:23 cool, thanks a lot! else everything going well and busy! 19:19:52 any questions/discussion for translation team? 19:20:24 not here 19:20:30 thanks noriko 19:20:36 anyone from the websites team present? 19:21:24 that looks like a 'no' 19:21:28 poelcat: gwerra may be around 19:21:32 ricky: ? 19:21:56 poelcat: I am around 19:22:04 #topic Website Team 19:22:18 gwerra: how are things looking for launch day on the website? 19:22:42 poelcat: everything seems to be going so far 19:22:56 good** 19:22:57 poelcat: I tried pinging sijis as well. 19:23:21 I can tell you that all the bannering apears to be in place as seen on http://stg.fedoraproject.org/ 19:23:36 L10n is working on the strings for the get-fedora upgrades 19:23:57 and thanks to gwerra, sijis, mizmo for working hard on that 19:24:24 any questions/discussion for the web team? 19:24:50 also, anyone here representing design? 19:25:34 poelcat: there ^^ 19:26:06 gwerra: you are respresenting the design team too? 19:26:13 poelcat: mizmo is 19:26:35 :) 19:26:38 * sparks needs to run to his next meeting. 19:26:51 ah, sorry, i have all channel messages supressed, didn't see join 19:26:59 #topic Design Team 19:27:08 mizmo: how are we looking for Fedora 13 launch? 19:27:26 poelcat, im pretty sure we are all set 19:27:30 anything we need to discuss/coordinate with everyone here? 19:27:36 always good to hear 19:28:24 i don't think so 19:28:31 okay, thanks mizmo 19:28:38 #topic Quality 19:28:45 jlaska: how are we doing? 19:28:57 Doing well 19:28:59 quality. Have some. 19:29:10 It is Job One, after all 19:29:16 #info Testing inprogress on RC3 19:29:19 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Fedora_13_Final_RC_Test_Results 19:29:51 installation testing looks solid, thanks to a nice push overnight from several contributors 19:30:21 We don't have results on the RC3 desktop matrix yet, but we'll look to gather feedback on that soon 19:30:23 great to hear 19:30:46 #info only 1 OPEN issue remains on the blocker list (587627) 19:30:48 final check in is next tuesday's "go/no go" meeting? 19:31:09 wow, that is excellnet 19:31:21 any questions/discussion for QA ? 19:31:31 as discussed during the go/no_go ... that will be fixed and pushed into F-12 19:31:33 the open issue is a preupgrade issue, so not something for F13 19:32:12 our next steps ... 19:32:33 #info QA (likely adamw or myself) will begin to document the current list of proposed CommonBugs 19:32:55 and of course ... to complete planned testing and monitor issues as they come in on test@l.fp.org 19:33:08 that's all I have, questions/comments/concerns/complaints? 19:33:44 jlaska: thanks 19:33:52 #topic Release Engineering 19:34:22 Oxf13: thanks all your hard work and crazy hours! how are things? 19:34:40 fine here. I'm plowing through all our spins again 19:34:43 there is a lot of them. 19:34:51 but everything else seems to be in good shape 19:35:27 any questions/discussion for releng ? 19:35:34 a quick one ... 19:35:38 shoot 19:35:54 Oxf13: is updating releases.txt something that rel-eng handles, or does infrastructure tackle that? 19:36:10 I don't have an answer for that 19:36:11 * jlaska fired this off to rel-eng@ -- http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/rel-eng/2010-May/010001.html 19:36:19 I think infra has done it in the past 19:36:31 Oxf13: I think it's part of the release SOP, I just was hoping to confirm what the new content will look like 19:36:31 releng could be responsible for seeing that it gets done though 19:36:39 okay 19:36:43 I've never even read that file before 19:37:01 it's used by preupgrade, not sure if anything else 19:37:10 Oxf13: we'll go over it in the meeting today and finalize what the deal is there. 19:37:14 I've never messed with it either. 19:37:21 so we'd need to mark F13 as no longer experimental and add an F14 branched entry (eventually) 19:37:40 * jlaska sent a proposed patch for changing it ... not sure if that's what folks had in mind 19:37:47 Oxf13: thanks, that's all I had 19:38:04 thanks Oxf13 19:38:10 #topic Infrastructure 19:38:17 mmcgrath: how's things? 19:38:19 mmcgrath: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Infrastructure_SOP#Step_4_.28Preupgrade_releases.txt.29 <-- in case it's helpful 19:38:58 I see the problem, it's in our SOP just not in the ticket prep work. 19:39:00 * mmcgrath will fix that 19:39:19 poelcat: things went ok, we've got a few more things to do, including mirror space verification but as long ast the release is less then 350G I think we'll be ok :) 19:39:34 good to know :) 19:39:37 We've run into some interesting problems wrt the mirror list recently. 19:39:44 mmcgrath: I'm happy to work up a proposed releasees.txt change, if you guys need it 19:39:45 how big are our releases usually? 19:40:15 usually our releases had ppc/ppc64 so they were nearly 1/3rd bigger before 19:40:19 We've been getting hit unusually hard by amazon. This has the potential to impact the release so we've been doing our best to identify the primary issues and mitigate and solve them. 19:40:24 mega props to mdomsch on that. 19:40:48 FWIW, F12 was 118G 19:41:02 poelcat: which I realize doesn't answer your question, but sets the stage to help with info from previous release 19:41:10 I expect F13 to be under 100G 19:41:33 okay :) 19:41:34 Oxf13: You know, I've lost some weight recently too. 19:41:43 any questions/discussion for infrastructure ? 19:41:48 stickster: lol 19:41:48 quick comment 19:41:50 that's really all I've got. 19:42:02 Kudos to infra and rel-eng for serverbeach1 mirroring during F-13 19:42:21 jlaska: what did they do? 19:42:22 jlaska: has that proved helpful? 19:42:25 jlaska: mmcgrath: And for extending our EU hosting as well 19:42:39 sb1 has definitely helped 19:42:40 I think that was a good coordination and was really pleased with the outcome. No issues that I heard/read about problems downloading RC content 19:42:50 stickster: well that won't quite be ready for the release but shortly after. It just didn't make it in time for the change freeze. 19:42:55 so nice work folks, much appreciated! 19:42:58 it has more bandwidth to serve users, and leaves secondary1 under much less load when I need to upload new images. 19:43:32 mmcgrath: very helpful, danke :) 19:43:52 * mmcgrath is all done. 19:43:59 Oxf13: That explains why it was so fast when I was testing with you the other night 19:44:09 good old fashioned collaboration for the win! :) 19:44:15 anyone from Ambassadors present? 19:44:17 I hadn't recalled getting that kind of b/w before 19:44:21 ke4qqq: ? 19:45:13 * Southern_Gentlem 19:45:24 as far as I know we are go 19:45:35 #topic Ambassadors 19:45:48 Southern_Gentlem: how are things looking for launch day and how can we help? 19:46:16 other than no more slips everything appears to be fine as for release parties and such 19:46:25 Southern_Gentlem: How are we on media art, are we production ready for discs at this point? 19:47:00 stickster, that is handled by herlo and i have not heard of any problems 19:47:25 OK, I can check in with him 19:49:04 thanks Southern_Gentlem 19:49:13 any questions/discussion with Ambassadors? 19:50:01 any closing comments/discussion from any of the other dignitaries: FPL, FESCo, etc? 19:51:05 alrighty.. thanks everyone for your time 19:51:16 I'm good 19:51:26 and awesome job to everyone on the end game for Fedora 13 even though we came up a little shorter than we wanted to 19:51:26 thank you poelcat and all 19:51:29 Thanks everyone for your amazing commitment to this release 19:51:51 * poelcat still in awe of closing out 67 blocker bugs in a week 19:51:56 okay that's all 19:52:05 #endmeeting