23:58:40 #startmeeting F-13-Final Go / No Go 23:58:40 Meeting started Tue May 18 23:58:40 2010 UTC. The chair is jlaska. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 23:58:40 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 23:58:54 #meetingname F-13-Final-eng-readiness 23:58:54 The meeting name has been set to 'f-13-final-eng-readiness' 23:59:07 #topic Waiting for critical mass 23:59:32 Just getting things started a little early to allow folks to join 23:59:56 * poelcat here 00:00:07 yo 00:00:27 poelcat: howdy 00:00:34 hi 00:00:35 adamw: good _late_ evening to you :) 00:00:54 yo. 00:01:01 Oxf13: hey hey! 00:01:15 alright, anyone else lurking ... say "Hi" for the logs 00:02:16 any folks from the development side lurking? 00:03:09 spot: stickster: nirik: around for go/no go? 00:03:29 * jlaska waits a few more seconds ... then will get going 00:03:40 #topic Why are we here? 00:03:54 I think most of us know already ... but for folks watching at home 00:03:59 The purpose is to decide whether the Final release criteria have 00:04:03 been met 00:04:05 * stickster here 00:04:10 #info The purpose is to decide whether the Final release criteria have been met 00:04:16 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_13_Final_Release_Criteria 00:04:18 stickster: welcome 00:04:27 dlehman: howdy 00:04:39 alright, time for the main event 00:04:42 #topic Go or No Go? 00:04:46 stick a fork in it, it's done. 00:05:01 adamw, can I #info that :) 00:05:17 * jlaska sees no OPEN F13Blocker bugs 00:06:08 well, there's four MODIFIED or ON_QA 00:06:11 which is technically OPEN 00:06:32 however, there won't be for much longer... 00:06:35 yes, you are right. I was limiting my search to NEW + ASSIGNED 00:07:06 PawelSadowski 00:07:15 adamw: anything of concern on that list? 00:07:39 aaand...abracadabra 00:07:50 * nirik just got home from his travels. 00:07:52 there's now only one 'real' (not tracker) open bug, and that's in preupgrade, just waiting on feedback on the fix 00:08:03 adamw: bz? 00:08:13 nirik: welcome back 00:08:41 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=587627 00:09:16 that bug has been confirmed, but now a new one needs to be fixed ... 00:09:44 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=592345 00:09:53 ^^^ introduced by the new preupgrade 00:10:08 hughsie is aware of the bug, and there is a tested patch available 00:10:26 I should catch up with hughsi to see if he needs anything else 00:10:30 okay 00:10:47 as long as we're looking on the track to having preupgrade in shape by the time the release actually happens, we don't need to worry 00:10:55 adamw: should that bug go onto F13Blocker? 00:11:11 if it causes preupgrade not to work, hence breaking the criteria, sure. 00:11:27 okay 00:11:43 * jlaska adds 00:11:57 cant you simply push that update to f12 and f13-updates ? 00:12:54 fenris02: indeed, that's the plan. Just need to keep it on the radar so it's pushed prior to F13 release 00:13:14 what happens if it's not? 00:13:19 world implodes 00:13:21 #info 1 remaining preupgrade bug -- fix needed by F-13 GA 00:13:23 this is why I really don't like tracking F12 issues 00:13:30 we're here to decide go, which means no turning back 00:13:31 given that i have a plane to catch in seven hours, I am intending not to care 00:13:41 let's pretend it's not a problem and fix it for f14. 00:13:48 Oxf13: it's possible, but unlikely for this particular issue 00:14:07 my point is, if it was truly a blocker, we'd slip again. 00:14:12 because it's not ready 00:14:13 seems to me that item is trivial in that it's already fixed ... 00:14:22 if it's not a blocker, then we shouldn't even be talking about it 00:14:35 it's a GA blocker, but not a compose blocker 00:14:40 that doesn't follow 00:14:42 Oxf13: i understand the point. it's an entirely valid point. hence me saying not that it's not a valid point, but that i was hoping we could strategically ignore it. 00:15:12 jlaska: we've already composed, and now we're deciding if what we composed will be the release or not, next Tuesday 00:15:31 Oxf13: correct, I understand the point 00:15:49 I appreciate that we want to track the preupgrade issue, but either it's a blocker or not 00:15:57 and that means we're either slipping (again), or it's not a blocker. 00:16:03 are you proposing we slip because the F-12 preupgrade package doesn't allow for upgrades right now? 00:16:04 preupgrade is only a breaking item if it's broken from f12 to f13 ... so it would go to f12-updates ... f13-updates can be done post-f13-rel. imho, not an f13 blocking item 00:16:21 look, i think we all understand there's an icky process issue to solve here 00:16:44 and can we all agree that it's very unlikely to have a *practical* impact on this release, since the preupgrade bug will almost certainly be fixed before we release 00:16:46 jlaska: I'm proposing we rule this not a blocker. 00:16:53 and just freakin' solve it after we finish the meeting? 00:17:01 * adamw is +1 to that if it means he can go to bed 00:17:19 adamw: that's essentially what I'm proposing. The bug at hand is not a F13 blocker. 00:17:21 yeh, worst case we add info to KnownBugs 00:17:39 if it doesn't make to updates before GA, that is 00:17:44 Oxf13: we can solve this process issue post release 00:18:01 jlaska: yeah, that's fine by me. 00:18:02 as adam said, we all know it's an oddball that doesn't fit nicely into our existin model 00:18:23 (this also isn't the first time preupgrade has been in this situation) 00:18:30 right on 00:18:45 so I think we're all in agreement that the F-12 preupgrade package shouldn't block F-13 release 00:19:14 okay, then don't make it a blocker. 00:19:17 #agree F-12 preupgrade packages don't impact decision to go / no go 00:19:21 +1 from me. That's fixable independent of the release. 00:19:31 we're all in rare form tonight :) 00:19:50 I'm just trying to be consistent with out we've handled preupgrade issues in F-12 and all of F-13 00:20:04 worth briefly going through the bugs that showed up from the validation tests? 00:20:34 #info Validation test summary - http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-May/091001.html 00:20:53 adamw: I'm fine without walking that list 00:20:54 * stickster is +1 on not blocking F-13 release on F-12 preupgrade, and we should make damn sure it's solved by GA. 00:21:10 * stickster catching up, sorry -- too many convos at once. eof 00:21:21 okay. so we just note that we agree none of those bugs are blockers? 00:21:48 adamw: yeah, they're tagged appropriately for CommonBugs 00:21:59 if you like, we can walk through any that are of concern 00:22:10 it's fine 00:22:54 in that case not much more to say, is there? 00:23:05 shall we pull out the #agreed stamp? 00:23:21 anyone have any concerns we didn't cover? 00:24:16 sounds like a no 00:24:23 Great release folks 00:24:26 yaay 00:24:27 i have no objections 00:24:45 lots of positive take aways, pain points to give us plenty to build on between releases 00:24:58 #agreed F-13-RC3 meets Final release criteria - Go for launch! 00:25:02 g'night adamw :) 00:25:17 #topic What's next? 00:25:18 * adamw out of here, night all 00:25:26 adamw: g'nite sir! 00:25:29 nite nite 00:25:39 Oxf13: anything else we need to cover here? 00:26:20 I don't think so 00:26:55 * gholms will bring the fireworks to launch day 00:27:11 alrighty, I take it staging to mirrors begins tomorrow? 00:27:37 http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2010/05/fedora-13-delay-fixes-linux-gr.html < -- who is this guy? 00:27:55 jlaska: yep. 00:28:00 I'll send minutes to test@ and devel@ 00:28:08 if anything else ... just shout 00:28:16 otherwise, we'll close this out in 2 minutes 00:28:24 yay, the word is out about the grub bug 00:28:42 'bug' 00:28:43 lol 00:28:47 i dont think it is 00:28:49 it's not a bug, it's a feature 00:28:54 :) 00:29:11 Nice job, everyone! 00:29:21 * jlaska drops 592345 from F13Blocker 00:29:40 #action jlaska to sync up with hughsi to see if he needs more testing on F-12 preupgrade 00:30:11 closing meeting in 10 seconds 00:30:44 thanks everyone. Congrats all on F-13 :) 00:30:47 #endmeeting