20:16:10 #startmeeting Fedora Ambassadors EMEA Meeting 26-5-2010 20:16:10 Meeting started Wed May 26 20:16:10 2010 UTC. The chair is cmpahar. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:16:10 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 20:16:32 Hello to all to another ambassadors emea meeting 20:16:36 #topic RollCall 20:16:39 .fas cmpahar 20:16:40 cmpahar: cmpahar 'Christos Bacharakis' 20:16:45 its on the topic guys :) 20:16:45 .fas mrtom 20:16:46 MrTom: mrtomtes 'Thomas Canniot' - mrtom 'Thomas Canniot' 20:16:48 .fas constanton 20:16:48 .fas sspreitzer 20:16:49 Rollcall time 20:16:49 .fas giannisk 20:16:50 .fas comzeradd 20:16:50 constanton: constanton 'Konstantinos Antonakoglou' 20:16:51 .fas underscores 20:16:54 sspreitzer: sspreitzer 'Sascha Thomas Spreitzer' 20:16:57 giannisk: giannisk 'Giannis Konstantinidis' 20:17:02 comzeradd: comzeradd 'Nikos Roussos' 20:17:03 .fas etali 20:17:05 underscores: underscores 'Fabian Kanngießer' 20:17:09 etali: metalii 'Jamie Robillard' - ninevolt 'John Voltz' - metalingmonk 'Daniel Hembree' - etali '' 20:17:34 hmm 20:17:38 a lot of people nice 20:17:44 robert 'Robert Scheck' 20:17:47 .fas egydev 20:17:48 egyDev: egydev '' 20:17:53 :) 20:18:00 Er this is my first meeting - how do I tell the bot which etali I am, please? 20:18:07 first of all i want to tell you that for tonight i will be the chairman 20:18:19 .fas etali 20:18:20 sspreitzer: metalii 'Jamie Robillard' - ninevolt 'John Voltz' - metalingmonk 'Daniel Hembree' - etali '' 20:18:28 because Pierros Papadeas (aka liknus) is on his way to Brussels 20:18:32 etali, its ok 20:18:39 sspreitzer: he is Lesley Harrison imho ^^ 20:18:45 for the LibreGraphics events 20:19:16 underscores: Yeah, just worried when other names came up. Thanks. 20:19:20 for those who dont remember the protocol just give a fast look at 20:19:22 #https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRCHowTo#Protocol 20:19:32 #topic Announcements 20:20:07 Unfortunately kital is not here for our usual report from Famsco 20:20:36 so I will post you the action items and the full log from the latest Famsco meeting 20:20:36 http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2010-05-10/fedora-meeting-1.2010-05-10-18.00.html\ 20:20:40 #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2010-05-10/fedora-meeting-1.2010-05-10-18.00.html 20:21:34 as you know 20:21:42 or not 20:22:21 the last weekend Pierros Papadeas traveled to Ghana to meet Isaac Thomas and both to represent Fedora at the Idlelo 2010 20:23:17 unfortunately Pierros neither Isaac is where to share their experiences so i will just post you the daily blogposts that Pierros did 20:23:30 #link http://pierros.papadeas.gr/?tag=ghana 20:23:35 oops, I'm here to o course 20:23:36 .fas th0br0 20:23:37 th0br0: th0br0 'Andreas Osowski' 20:23:43 no worries th0br0 20:23:45 ! 20:23:52 on second please sspreitzer 20:23:56 thank you 20:24:51 the reason that pierros went to Ghana was to help Isaac organize and set up a strong Fedora community in Ghana 20:25:07 #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/IDLELO_2010 20:25:15 the link of the event is above 20:25:26 so you can see what was the extract goals 20:25:39 and by pierros post you can see what was archived 20:25:41 sspreitzer, 20:25:58 thank you cmpahar 20:26:48 I think IDLELO is an event and therefor belongs to the "Events" Topic of the Agenda, can we proceed with the topic? 20:26:50 eof 20:27:05 -topic +Agenda 20:27:50 .fas 20:27:52 t2hot: (fas ) -- Search the Fedora Account System usernames, full names, and email addresses for a match. 20:28:07 .fas t2hot 20:28:08 t2hot: twohot 'Onyeibo Oku' 20:28:26 sspreitzer, before moving to events we have EMEA Media Quantities 20:28:28 so 20:28:32 #topic EMEA Media Quantities 20:28:44 your turn to en light us :) 20:28:53 Hello everyone 20:28:59 a warm welcome 20:29:22 We have everything we need to produce media 20:29:39 we have budget, we have ISOs, we have artwork 20:30:18 this is the "final" and I want you to vote about the amount of media being produced 20:30:19 * cmpahar welcomes t2hot 20:30:51 cwickert has proposed an amount on the mailing list, which is I think ok 20:31:01 my and cwickerts proposal are: 20:32:01 * t2hot greets cmpahar 20:32:21 1000 Live Gnome 32bit, 1000 Install 32bit, 1000 Install 64bit, 1000 KDE Live 32bit, 500 Xfce Live 32bit, 500 LXDE Live 32bit 20:32:30 vote now if you think this is ok 20:32:34 +1 20:32:35 ! 20:32:37 ? 20:32:45 ah, ok questions first 20:32:47 th0br0, please 20:32:56 * wickert just came home... 20:33:10 cwickert: welcome :) 20:33:11 Given that I forgot this: what was the relation between how many people chose 32bit disks and how many chose 64bit disks? 20:33:13 * sspreitzer waves to cwickert 20:33:16 * cmpahar hey cwickert , you can join us :) 20:33:56 th0br0, no, its a propose. not based on empiric facts. 20:34:13 th0br0: strongly depends on the target. GNOME and KDE hav a lot of x86_64 users, Xfce has some and LXDE nearly none 20:34:21 k. just wanted to make sure whether any statistics were involved there. 20:34:23 +1 20:34:24 ? 20:34:26 eof 20:34:32 etali, 20:34:45 take a look at http://torrent.fedoraproject.org:6969/ for the different architectures and spins 20:34:54 Is there any reason there's no 64 bit live cds? 20:35:09 ! 20:35:16 ! 20:35:20 sspreitzer, of course 20:35:38 cwickert, you can speak :) 20:35:51 etali: livecds are supposed to run on any hardware, this means they must be 32 bit 20:36:13 eof 20:36:25 +1 to cwickert 20:36:27 -1 20:36:34 I do not agree with that 20:36:57 How can someone test his 64bit box with Fedoras 64bit kernel? 20:37:28 sspreitzer: why whould he want to? I mean, what exactly is he testing? 20:37:32 I saw 64-Live in the list of images, but not in the proposal, hence my confusion - as sspreitzer says someone may want to test 64 bit specifically 20:37:42 eof 20:37:53 If we want to produce some 64bit Live CDs i suggest to reduce the amount of the 64 install DVDs 20:38:04 ! 20:38:12 yes cwickert 20:38:40 the problem with reducing the number of the install dvds is that it's getting expensive if we go below 1000 20:38:42 eof 20:39:05 ! 20:39:12 cwickert, oh, i totally forgot that 20:39:14 egyDev, 20:39:24 same here sspreitzer: why whould he want to? I mean, what exactly is he testing? 20:39:44 I don't think that 32bit & 64 have big difference 20:39:58 they have 20:40:10 ! 20:40:14 rsc 20:40:37 I don't see need for 64 Bit live media, 64 bit install media is IMHO much enough. EOF. 20:40:37 ? 20:40:47 +1 to rsc 20:40:51 t2hot, please 20:40:52 +1 to rsc 20:40:54 +1 rsc 20:40:57 -1 20:41:23 What exactly is the major difference between 64bit & 32bit fedora? 20:41:26 but thats not the point today 20:41:38 drop that discussions please 20:41:45 we have a proposal 20:41:47 t2hot: 64 bit media run only under 64 bit compatible hardware, while 32 bit runs on 32 bit and 64 bit. 20:42:10 I suggest to vote the suggestion 20:42:18 ! 20:42:18 what do you think about 20:42:23 yes cwickert 20:42:28 has anyone else prepared a proposal based on the information provided from the past meetings+logs and the mailing list? 20:42:36 sspreitzer: do you think my suggestion is affoardable? 20:42:41 ! 20:42:50 sspreitzer, please let me handle that, thank you :) 20:43:05 cwickert, it is 20:43:07 * cmpahar saws comzeradd 20:43:22 cmpahar, this is my agenda point 20:43:33 sspreitzer, are you eof to cwickert ? 20:43:52 * cwickert is eof 20:43:55 has anyone else prepared a proposal based on the information provided from the past meetings+logs and the mailing list? 20:44:03 sspreitzer, please 20:44:14 comzeradd, you are up 20:44:20 cmpahar, hey man 20:44:20 thanx cmpahar 20:44:31 for this agenda topic I will chair 20:44:35 i think that http://torrent.fedoraproject.org:6969/ give us a glimpse of what users prefer, and i can't see a reflection of that on the numbers sspreitzer proposed 20:44:38 this is my topic 20:44:42 sspreitzer, let them speak and we will discuss it :) 20:44:48 for instance kde live cds 20:44:51 eof 20:44:54 ! 20:45:18 yes cwickert 20:45:32 comzeradd: I tried to follow the numbers from the torrent tracker of the F12 media. what do you think is missing? kde? 20:45:54 i think that 1000 kde is too much 20:46:16 maybe we can save some budget for more gnome 32bit live or install 20:46:46 ! 20:46:46 ! 20:46:55 guys 20:47:04 there is a mail in the mailing list 20:47:11 comzeradd: 182 GNOME compared to 165 KDE, this is pretty much the same 20:47:11 for the Quantities 20:47:14 eof 20:47:19 we came here tonight to vote 20:47:22 not to suggest 20:47:31 ! 20:47:35 yes sspreitzer 20:47:41 its all yours :) 20:47:55 ok, thanks for handing me the mutually exclusive spech token again 20:48:00 *speach 20:48:26 on the figures, they reflect the torrent tracker 20:48:32 not any of the HTTP 20:48:33 * cmpahar saw giannisk, and underscores 20:49:07 of we start calculating on figures, we must include the web servers and even mirrors as well! 20:49:13 +1 20:49:55 And even if we use those figures, they just reflect the download starts 20:50:05 they tell nothing about usage 20:50:11 well i think we should focus on 32bit live cds and produce more of them,thus decrease the number of 64 live dvds..that's because people are asking 32bit live cds mainly or the are unfamiliar with 64bit operating systems 20:50:14 nor does the physical media 20:50:19 but we can vote 20:50:29 * sspreitzer reminds giannisk on meeting rules 20:50:58 oh giannisk ... rules man :) 20:51:14 * giannisk apologises 20:51:23 no problem 20:51:26 today we decide whether I will order on the proposal cwickert made on the mailing list 20:52:00 let me refresh your memory 20:52:00 1000 Live Gnome 32bit, 1000 Install 32bit, 1000 Install 64bit, 1000 KDE Live 32bit, 500 Xfce Live 32bit, 500 LXDE Live 32bit 20:52:08 If you have an informative question or another well prepared proposal, then please ask now. 20:52:17 * sspreitzer reminds cmpahar on meeting rules 20:52:19 * bochecha wonders what happens if the proposal is rejected 20:52:35 ! 20:52:51 cwickert, please, go ahead 20:52:51 * cmpahar reminds sspreitzer the rules :) 20:53:08 sspreitzer, one minute please 20:53:10 * cwickert wants to point out that it was just a suggestion. we might not even need that much media, but on the other hand smaller numbers get even more expensige 20:53:20 underscores is waiting ;) 20:53:30 so if anybody comes up with another proposal, I'm fine with that too, eof 20:53:50 underscores, your turn 20:54:34 underscores, ? 20:54:42 ! 20:54:43 Yeah, it is about the figures. I think we shouldnt use those figures because they only tell us that fedora is a very famous download option, if we go that way we could drop any fedora spin from that proposal and when we give them away we would had to say "Sorry, but the figures werent telling us that someone really wanted XFCE so we only have bought DVDs" 20:54:44 erm 20:54:53 sspreitzer: sorry it was a bit long 20:55:14 its ok underscores, eof? 20:55:17 sspreitzer: its my first statement though 20:55:42 I wanted to add that I think the proposal give us many options and therefor is good 20:55:43 eof 20:55:53 +1 underscores 20:56:02 cmpahar, yes man :) 20:56:08 sspreitzer, is there any difference in money the following suggestion? 20:56:25 1500 Live Gnome 32bit, 1000 Install 32bit, 500 Install 64bit, 1000 KDE Live 32bit, 500 Xfce Live 32bit, 500 LXDE Live 32bit 20:56:37 the order is for the whole EMEA region 20:56:46 so the 64biot 20:56:52 s/biot/bit 20:56:56 ! 20:57:14 will go to the countries that they see the will needed them 20:57:14 eof 20:57:34 cwickert, yep 20:57:36 1500 GNOME will be expensive because of the sleeves which are done in 1000 pieces only. then we can also go for 2000, but I wonder if this gets to expensive 20:57:39 eof 20:57:52 Ok guys, thats information enough 20:58:14 we have had it in about 5 past emea meetings and meeting logs, as well as on the mailing list 20:58:30 * cmpahar thinks it is time to vote 20:58:35 * sspreitzer thinks to 20:58:37 so 20:58:44 +1 20:58:48 please guys vot now, if you think this is OK 20:58:55 +1 20:58:59 +1 on cwickert proposal 20:59:00 1000 Live Gnome 32bit, 1000 Install 32bit, 1000 Install 64bit, 1000 KDE Live 32bit, 500 Xfce Live 32bit, 500 LXDE Live 32bit 20:59:16 +1 20:59:22 +1 on my own propsal :) 20:59:24 +1 20:59:25 +1 20:59:29 +1 20:59:31 +1 20:59:38 #agreed to order 1000 Live Gnome 32bit, 1000 Install 32bit, 1000 Install 64bit, 1000 KDE Live 32bit, 500 Xfce Live 32bit, 500 LXDE Live 32bit 20:59:50 * sspreitzer is happy 20:59:55 sspreitzer, :) 20:59:58 +1 ^^ 21:00:07 so moving on?! 21:00:11 +1 21:00:13 eof on my topic, token back to cmpahar 21:00:13 +1 for moving 21:00:16 anything else on Media Quantities? 21:00:17 +1 21:00:22 thanks sspreitzer 21:00:25 :) 21:00:27 #topic Events 21:00:30 well 21:00:42 as you know Fedora 13 is out 21:01:05 so its time to do our stuff :) 21:01:36 here is just want to point you out Fedora 13's talking points 21:01:38 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_13_Talking_Points 21:01:59 its time to organize your event in your country/city/region 21:02:07 dont be afraid! 21:02:27 ? 21:02:32 its really easy and helpfull for other guys to learn about Fedora and generally open source 21:02:33 yes sspreitzer 21:03:26 Like say if someone starts such Event, what does he need and where to request stuff and what to do? 21:03:32 eof 21:03:39 good point sspreitzer 21:04:15 first of all when you organize a Fedora release party or a fedora event 21:04:21 make sure to create a wiki page 21:04:28 and add it to the event list 21:04:44 or on the list of the Fedora 13's release parties 21:04:50 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F13_release_events 21:05:04 #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents 21:05:20 about media and stuff 21:05:36 if tha amount of the media that you will need is small 21:05:48 i strongly suggest you to create it on your own :) 21:06:03 otherwise you can request media and stuff 21:06:11 ! 21:06:34 * cmpahar trying to find the link from the trac 21:07:06 till i find it 21:07:11 egyDev, go ahead please 21:07:41 cmpahar, small = ? approximately 21:08:36 depends on you 21:08:36 eof 21:08:52 i mean, for the last event here in greece 21:08:58 we created ~100 livecds 21:09:08 and we where 4 ambassadors 21:09:10 look 21:09:46 you can always ask for a budget or media at the ambassadors list 21:09:56 and you will get an answer for sure 21:10:01 jfor all of you 21:10:25 before organizing an event please make sure that you have read the following 21:10:28 #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/ambassadors/2010-April/014337.html 21:11:38 additionally 21:12:11 for those who are organizing a Fedora event 21:12:31 the page with all the marketing collateral is always useful 21:12:33 #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/MarketingCollateral 21:12:45 also 21:12:52 it is important after an event 21:13:01 to post some pictures, write some blogposts 21:13:15 and generally give a feedback to the rest Fedora community!!! 21:13:45 Unfortunately there are only few release events registered 21:13:52 dont be afraid!!!!! 21:14:12 thats was a general info about fedora events and fedora release events 21:14:33 anyone wants to add something?! 21:15:03 ok, so moving on Events 21:15:22 as i see in the fedora events 21:15:34 the only past events 21:15:39 are the GFOSS in greece 21:16:02 constanton, was the event owner of the fedora presence in GFOSS in athens 21:16:04 so CodeBlock 21:16:11 *constanton 21:17:05 constanton, ping?! 21:17:23 i think he is having connection troubles 21:17:30 well comzeradd was also there 21:17:44 comzeradd, can you give us a small review? 21:17:55 yeap :) 21:18:07 it was a conference with a lot of people 21:18:20 fedora had its own booth 21:18:25 with promotional material 21:18:41 and of course a workshop by constanton 21:18:46 about fedora spins 21:19:14 #link http://conf.ellak.gr/2010/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Fedora_remix_spin_Antonakoglou_Stasinopoulos.pdf 21:19:23 the presentation (in greek) 21:19:47 i think the overall participation of greek fedora community was really good 21:19:52 eof 21:19:55 thanks 21:20:08 fedora had also presence at thessaloniki 21:20:18 at the parallel session of the same event 21:20:26 we also had a booth together with giannisk and i personally gave a talk about Fedora in education and how fedora can help generally in education not only in Greece but worldwide too 21:21:12 #link http://conf.ellak.gr/2010/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Fedora-in-edu.pdf 21:21:19 the presentation is also in greek 21:21:24 thats all from Greece 21:21:54 bochecha, are you able to inform us about the Rencontres Fedora 13 à Universciences event? 21:22:11 dunno, what do you want to know? 21:22:26 what is the event about 21:22:28 that's a release party, with conferences and workshops 21:22:33 and what you are planning to do :) 21:22:51 distributing media, helping people install Fedora or solve their problems 21:22:58 etc.. 21:23:05 just your regular release party ;) 21:23:53 will you have a talk?> 21:24:01 what do you mean a talk? 21:24:33 in your description you say " Fedora 13 release party, with conferences and workshops " 21:24:34 ! 21:24:42 * constanton very sorry! 21:25:07 ! 21:25:11 i mean the event is a conference and you just organize a release party? 21:25:17 ok, my mistake 21:25:29 conference is the french word for a keynote/talk 21:25:53 a thanks bobmcw 21:25:55 sspreitzer, 21:26:06 constanton was first 21:26:16 so yes, there will be a talk about introducing Zarafa, and 2 workshops, one about discovering LaTeX and one about Linux administration 21:26:18 constanton, whats to review the event 21:26:27 the full agenda of the day is there: http://asso.fedora-fr.org/wiki/Rencontres_Fedora_13_à_Paris (in french) 21:26:35 great bochecha !!! i wish you good luck 21:26:38 have a great time 21:26:43 and forget the feedback! 21:27:03 very sorry to miss my turn before, as it was stated 21:27:17 bochecha, eof? 21:27:31 cmpahar, yup 21:27:34 * constanton waiting for eof 21:27:37 thanks bobmcw 21:27:40 thanks bochecha 21:27:43 constanton, you are up! 21:27:46 ok thanks 21:28:15 as it was stated I did a workshop together with Anastasis (anast on freenode) 21:28:20 on Fedora Remix and Spins 21:28:55 about 15 people presented, sounds like a good number to me... 21:29:08 and many were interested into the subject 21:29:10 anyway 21:29:14 #link http://constanton.fedorapeople.org/presentations/ 21:29:29 here are my presentations with odp and pdf 21:29:36 in Greek and Spanish 21:30:12 I think there is no need for an English one as long as the wiki exists 21:30:48 something that could be usefull for other Ambassadors in LATAM i guess 21:31:20 I have already contacted latam, so everything is ok 21:31:28 thank you eof 21:32:05 ! 21:32:12 yes sspreitzer 21:32:16 thank you constanton 21:32:26 ok, thanks for those deep insight reviews 21:32:43 I think we should move further, its getting late 21:32:46 eof 21:32:53 sspreitzer, +1 21:32:55 +1 21:33:09 yes sspreitzer but constanton was the event owner :) 21:33:10 so 21:33:12 anyone else 21:33:19 who is organizing a Fedora event 21:33:25 or organized a Fedora event 21:33:33 in the near past?! 21:34:22 ok then 21:34:31 there is nothing else on events i guess 21:34:55 #topic Review Action items from Previous meeting 21:35:43 as i can see 21:36:00 all the action items are done 21:36:04 except 21:36:09 1 from pierros 21:36:19 i will ping him as long as the meeting end :) 21:36:36 thank you sspreitzer for the media ! 21:36:45 #topic Open Floor 21:36:56 so hear is the openfloor 21:37:05 if you have a topic that you want to be discussed 21:37:14 now is the right time ! 21:37:17 cmpahar, thank you for chairing this meeting. From my very own experiences I know its not an easy job. 21:37:38 anyone? 21:37:39 something?! 21:37:45 ok 21:38:09 if you dont have anything is suggest to end this meeting in 3' 21:38:15 +1 21:38:23 no sspreitzer , thank you for your great work 21:39:11 well i cant see a reason waiting so, thank you all for attending :) 21:39:21 :) 21:39:21 see you in 2 weeks 21:39:27 same place, same time! 21:39:30 and please 21:39:32 same wave 21:39:38 dont hesitate to speak up 21:39:41 in the events 21:39:44 in the meetings 21:39:49 in the mailing list! 21:39:55 dont hesitate to communicate :) 21:40:01 have a nice night guys! 21:40:04 #endmeeting