05:10:35 <juhp> #startmeeting i18n 05:10:35 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu May 27 05:10:35 2010 UTC. The chair is juhp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 05:10:35 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 05:10:49 <juhp> welcome to the weekly i18n meeting 05:11:18 <juhp> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2010-05-27 is the agenda page 05:13:20 <paragan> hi 05:13:36 <juhp> hi paragan 05:14:42 <epico_laptop> hi 05:14:48 <juhp> hi epico_laptop 05:15:49 <dychen_> hi 05:16:09 <jni_> hi 05:16:20 <juhp> hi kaio dychen_ jni_ 05:16:33 <dueno> hi 05:16:41 <juhp> hi dueno 05:16:53 <kaio> hi 05:19:31 <juhp> alright we better get started thanks 05:21:14 <juhp> #topic project updates 05:21:32 <juhp> anyone would to share any news on their projects 05:22:04 <kaio> ibus-table-* becomes ibus-table-chinese and ibus-table-others 05:22:26 <juhp> kaio: is that new? :) 05:22:36 <kaio> the former SRPM is about 7.5MB RPM is 27MB 05:22:39 <kaio> juhp⚙ that is new 05:22:53 <juhp> since last week? :) 05:23:09 <juhp> ok 05:23:23 <juhp> kaio: can you say more? 05:25:06 <kaio> sorry no.. :P 05:26:26 <juhp> there are some interesting discussions going on about gnome3 and input 05:26:47 <juhp> mccann has some design pages and earlier mockups 05:26:48 <paragan> aha 05:27:01 <juhp> http://live.gnome.org/Design/SystemSettings/RegionAndLanguage 05:27:07 <juhp> http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/Guidelines/SystemStatus/InputLanguage 05:27:30 <juhp> I just mention them here for those who might be interested in following the discussion 05:27:56 <juhp> also http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/Whiteboards/ScreenKeyboard for virtual kbd :) 05:28:51 <juhp> I might ask phuang_ on ibus news but think he might be afk 05:29:08 <juhp> paragan: I think you are packaging some google webfonts? 05:29:34 <juhp> anything else? 05:29:49 <paragan> yes I have packaged 4 fonts and dueno helped to review them 05:29:55 <juhp> cool 05:29:57 <paragan> packaging few more this week :) 05:30:04 <juhp> ok :) 05:30:13 <juhp> paragan: looking good? 05:30:25 <paragan> yes 05:31:16 <juhp> #topic f13 05:31:23 <juhp> so f13 was released.... 05:31:42 <juhp> I think overall it is looking pretty good release 05:32:08 <juhp> though I got one bad-ish bug about gettext multilib which I will try to address asap 05:32:38 <paragan> oh! 05:33:18 <juhp> base package is no longer multilib... 05:33:33 <juhp> which may break upgrades :( 05:33:51 <juhp> perhaps I should try a test upgrade too... 05:34:58 <paragan> ok 05:35:08 <tagoh3> aha 05:35:52 <paragan> I think soon we need to check devel branch and make sure F-13 modifications are also applied to devel branch 05:36:17 <juhp> mm yeah 05:36:31 <juhp> I hope so for most packages 05:36:38 <juhp> if we are following best practice 05:37:01 <juhp> we should always make changes if necessary in devel and then backport... 05:37:10 <juhp> but good point 05:38:23 <paragan> yes 05:38:49 <juhp> also good to move featurefuture type bugs to rawhide 05:45:44 <juhp> ok just looking at a few bugs... 05:47:21 <juhp> .bug 487061 05:47:23 <zodbot> juhp: Bug 487061 Japanese fonts changed to less readable after update - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=487061 05:47:36 <juhp> tagoh3: wonder if it should move to rawhide? 05:48:01 <tagoh3> sure 05:51:04 <juhp> tagoh3: or change component? 05:51:19 <juhp> otherwise wontfix? 05:51:46 <tagoh3> hmm, to what component? 05:51:57 <juhp> dunno vte? 05:52:06 <juhp> didn't read carefully... 05:52:23 <juhp> sounds like it can't be fixed in font? 05:52:56 <tagoh3> not yet triaged well due to vague specification. 05:52:57 <tagoh3> perhaps 05:53:44 <juhp> ok 05:53:47 <juhp> hm 05:55:21 <juhp> #topic other bugs 05:55:55 <epico_laptop> SC/TC fonts improvements is landing on Fedora 13 in progress. 05:55:58 <juhp> 82 rawhide bugs 05:56:06 <juhp> epico_laptop: cool 05:56:12 <epico_laptop> :) 05:56:25 <juhp> so zh-cn and zh-tw etc works now? :) 05:56:51 <epico_laptop> I checked gnome/firefox is ok. fc-match still have some problems. 05:57:01 <juhp> I see 05:58:02 <tagoh3> epico_laptop: in which case? 05:58:30 <epico_laptop> fc-match sans:lang=?? and fc-match sans:lang=zh-??. 05:58:47 <tagoh3> ? 05:59:09 <epico_laptop> fc-match sans:lang=zh and fc-match sans:lang=zh-cn is different. 05:59:43 <juhp> is there output in the bug report? 05:59:54 <epico_laptop> but fc-match sans:lang=zh-cn and fc-match sans:lang=zh-cn is the same. 06:00:11 <juhp> ? 06:00:14 <tagoh3> epico_laptop: well, since there are no zh.orth but zh_*.orth, what font are you expecting to see with it? 06:00:30 <epico_laptop> not yet. 06:00:39 <juhp> ok 06:00:56 <epico_laptop> zh-cn/zh-sg will be wqy-zenhei, zh-tw/zh-hk will be uming. 06:01:06 <tagoh3> and zh? 06:02:13 <epico_laptop> maybe same as zh-cn as wqy-zenhei, but TC users may prefer uming. 06:02:37 <tagoh3> so you can add <string>zh</string> after <string>zh-cn</string> then. 06:02:47 <epico_laptop> ok. 06:03:53 <epico_laptop> what about zh-cn and zh-tw? 06:04:12 <tagoh3> any problems? 06:04:19 <juhp> 36 NEW rawhide bugs 06:04:41 <epico_laptop> the two should return UMing for zh-tw, and WQY Zen Hei for zh-cn. 06:05:07 <juhp> they don't? :) 06:05:36 <epico_laptop> yes, fc-match returns the same, but gnome apps use right fonts from lsof log. 06:06:16 <tagoh3> what the font does it match with them? 06:06:54 <epico_laptop> both uming.ttc. 06:07:14 <tagoh3> with the config file on your people space? 06:07:34 <epico_laptop> yes. 06:08:16 <tagoh3> okay, let me have a look later 06:08:23 <epico_laptop> thanks very much. 06:08:55 <juhp> I see no reviewer yet for ibus-handwrite btw 06:09:11 <juhp> if someone could help to review that would be good 06:09:32 <juhp> we're over time so probably should stop soon... 06:10:37 <juhp> #topic f11 bugs closing 06:11:07 <juhp> guess there is still time since f13 was just released? 06:12:09 <juhp> #topic Upstream_Release_Monitoring 06:12:26 <juhp> mentioned it briefly last time 06:13:08 <juhp> if you have a project that releases regularly but you don't track upstream announcements frequently it would be good to add to the wikipage 06:14:10 <juhp> with the right url regexp it will automatically detect new upstream releases and automatically file a bug for your package when a newer release than in rawhide appears 06:14:57 <juhp> obvious if you are upstream or upstream is no longer active or is stable then probably not much point 06:15:14 <juhp> perhaps we can do a review later at some point 06:15:47 <juhp> #topic open discussion 06:15:57 <juhp> any other topics for discussion? 06:16:43 <juhp> otherwise we will close the meeting in a couple of minutes (if I don't forget like last week;o) 06:21:47 <juhp> next meeting in a week https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2010-06-03 06:22:03 <juhp> if you have some topic you would like to discuss please add it to the page 06:22:14 <juhp> thanks for the meeting everyone! 13:34:39 <stickster> nirik: Is it OK with you if I send the announcement for FESCo election results together with Board? 13:34:50 <stickster> nirik: Will be sending to announce, devel-announce, and advisory-board 14:57:31 <nirik> stickster: sure! (if you haven't already done so) 14:57:42 <stickster> nirik: Heh, already did it :-) 14:58:09 <stickster> nirik: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/announce/2010-May/002819.html 16:00:01 <nirik> #meetingname irc-support-sig 16:00:01 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'irc-support-sig' 16:00:01 <nirik> #topic init process 16:00:03 <zodbot> nirik: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. 16:00:07 <nirik> hum. 16:00:14 <nirik> #endmeeting 16:00:56 <DiscordianUK> Hmmm 16:00:58 <nirik> #endmeeting