16:06:11 #startmeeting EPEL 16:06:11 Meeting started Fri May 28 16:06:11 2010 UTC. The chair is smooge. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:06:11 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:06:18 #topic lets try this again 16:06:24 hi guys 16:06:27 morning 16:06:33 evening :) 16:06:37 how are things today 16:07:04 si sehnor 16:07:07 hola 16:07:12 ok currently the only issue I need to deal with is that the puppet in #el6 requires ruby-selinux which isn't in the beta 16:07:16 hola 16:07:37 my spanish is horrible.. I am trying to take a refresher course 16:07:49 mine is mostly non-existant 16:08:51 ok the big things I would like to work on is that I think we need to work on a FAD for EPEL 16:09:36 what would be the list of deliverables? 16:09:39 that might be good. 16:12:06 Cleanup/streamlining of the wiki. A proper test plan for packages to move from testing to production. A build fest of potential packages into EL-4/5/6? 16:13:10 some kind of marketing plan/info might be good. 16:13:29 A creation of packages like mediawiki/moin/nagios/spew that do not fit into what EPEL was originally meant for but people desperately want 16:14:36 Marketing plan would be good. 16:14:54 I think at this point we are 'brainstorming' 16:15:45 it would be good to get nagios3, rdiff-backup12, etc done. 16:16:03 php53 :) 16:16:06 also, might be good to try and tie EPEL into AutoAQ 16:16:08 hmm 16:16:10 http://rpm.org/wiki/PackagerDocs/MultipleVersions 16:16:16 seems related 16:16:30 I've been getting a bunch of hits on the subject of multiple versions of software 16:16:32 for co-installs 16:16:34 this weeke 16:17:24 yeah, there has always been pressure for it in epel5, but I think the dam burst with python26 in now. 16:17:24 skvidal, possibly. At this point we are looking at the way its 'accepted' to be done right now... having a seperate tree for each mediawiki14,mediawiki15,mediawiki16 16:17:39 s/possibly/probably/ 16:17:41 nirik: agreed 16:18:19 and the fact that newer versions of postgres and samba were done that way in 5.5 and more will proabbly happen in the future 16:18:59 nod 16:19:02 yeah 16:19:36 dgilmore, what fall into FAD deliverables? 16:20:03 smooge: well what would we try to do for a fad? 16:20:49 eat lots of beef at inode0's house? 16:20:51 * rbergeron can help a bit with marketing plan, if anyone would like. eof :) 16:20:57 smooge: beef? 16:21:05 its kosher 16:21:17 we ate pork at the ambasdors fad 16:21:29 and i cant cook as much beef as i can pork 16:21:31 yeah... I know :) 16:21:39 rbergeron: that would be most welcome I think... 16:21:54 I figure we would just do a BIG pit, through in half a cow.. and see what comes out 16:22:05 anyway... rbergeron that would be very much welcomes 16:22:25 I know about marketing.. but I have no skill in it :) 16:22:39 well. i do'nt know that my skills are any better ;) 16:22:39 smooge: where would fad be located? 16:23:26 someplace cheap. 16:24:09 depending on number of people id be willing to host it 16:24:28 depending on the timing, I'd be willing to go. 16:24:28 not sure if transport to here would kill though 16:24:51 yeah Abq is cheap when you get here.. its the getting that is costly :/ 16:26:00 well since its my idea let me mull over what would be needed here. and then we can come up with how many/where/how much next meeting 16:26:15 to the EPEL list Packageman! 16:26:18 * nirik notes albq is about a 5 hr drive for me. ;) 16:26:27 yeah I just realized that too. 16:26:44 Denver is expensive to stay in but cheap to get to. 16:27:00 smooge: but you might have to fight your way out! 16:27:01 or so I have been told. 16:27:42 my time in denver has been in a car dealing with traffic on I-25 16:27:46 * nirik could put up a few people here probibly (as long as they were not alergic to dogs/cats. ;) 16:28:03 smooge: airfare for me to you is ~$400 16:28:12 yeah... 16:28:15 expensive 16:28:59 but green chile is too addictive for me to move away from 16:29:10 I hear that. :) 16:29:39 #action smooge will email list to start discussion on possible FAD 16:29:58 hmm 16:30:04 while it might not be all free software 16:30:09 I wonder if we could set up a virtual fad 16:30:20 using video teleconferencing from, say, two main locations 16:30:28 skvidal: we probably could 16:30:38 I've been setting up google talk video for my family recently 16:30:41 maybe get some polycom sip hardware 16:30:44 and it works REMARKABLY well 16:30:46 or something like it 16:30:51 with just a normal laptop and a webcam 16:30:57 yeah. 16:31:16 get two locations with good bandwidth 16:32:40 yes... T1 do you think? 16:32:51 skvidal: RDU and somewhere west coast 16:33:16 smooge: t1? I think we'd want at least cable modem 16:33:30 dgilmore: rdu could work, perhaps. 16:33:36 it'd be useful to plot epel folks on a map 16:33:43 and see what locations end up being hubs 16:33:51 sure 16:34:13 stahnma is close to me 16:34:50 smooge: rbergeron is close to you 16:35:12 i guess what we need is a list of things we want to deliver 16:35:20 then work out what people we need to do that 16:35:31 yes. rbergerson, nirik are near me. I 16:35:31 then we can work out locations 16:35:42 5 hours away I think for both 16:36:27 * nirik wonders where rbergeron is. 16:36:27 ok I will email and we can put more there. 16:36:37 Arizona on I-40 16:36:41 somewhere 16:36:47 flagstaff arizona, yo 16:36:53 I am the crosspoint 16:37:17 ah cool. My mom grew up there... ;) Nice town. 16:37:35 * rbergeron likes it, although it's pretty much turning into a city anymore. :) 16:38:00 I have another topic if we are done with FAD. 16:38:43 nirik: i think fad idea is done for now 16:38:50 is someone going to make a wiki page to start FAD discussion? 16:38:55 #topic nirik's topic 16:39:14 i guess i cant actually do that 16:39:27 rbergeron: that would be smooge 16:39:44 #chair dgilmore 16:39:44 Current chairs: dgilmore smooge 16:39:51 #topic nirik's topic 16:39:59 nirik: all yours 16:39:59 sorry.. dealing with dog 16:40:00 I just wanted to note to the SIG: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/383 16:40:08 a request we drop ppc64 16:40:23 nirik: i honestly think we should add s390x 16:40:36 * jwb frowns 16:40:52 does the sig have a recommendation on this for fesco? 16:41:02 we have someone in Europe who keeps looking for s390x :) 16:41:07 I think if dgilmore has all the stuff setup and working, we should support it. 16:41:16 its all setup 16:41:23 adding s390x wont be hard 16:41:23 if something happens down the road and we can no longer do so, we should revisit then. 16:41:45 dear kkofler fab-off 16:41:54 that is my opinion on it 16:42:41 so, I just wanted to bring this to the sig's attention and if we want to add a recommendation there we could. 16:42:49 sorry if that is rude, but I think that someone is just looking to pick a fight for a fights sake 16:43:18 thankyou for bringing it to the attention. 16:44:57 #topic open floor 16:45:14 anyone have anything else that they want to discuss ? 16:45:40 * smooge is trying to not use his sailor language in a reply 16:45:50 deep breath, and ^U 16:46:41 the only item for open floor, is do we need to find a time that works for more members? stahnma can't do mornings, rsc can't do late nights. 16:47:16 smooge: when was there last turnover on the EPEL steering commitee? 16:47:24 when i chose to leave ages ago? 16:47:40 smooge: well, pinging me helps as well sometimes. 16:48:16 dgilmore, I am not sure there really is a steering committee anymore. 16:48:45 I think currently its who shows up for a meeting gets to do things... 16:48:59 smooge: :) ok 16:49:08 maybe we need to inject something 16:49:15 so as far as I know you are on the committee because you show up :) 16:49:39 yeah, we decided a while back that it just made sense to have people working on things or showing up decide things. 16:49:50 formal voting, etc just too much overhead. 16:51:04 I am going to have to run off in a bit. The dog needs her walk. dgilmore could you close out? 16:51:06 ok 16:51:29 If we need to clean up the rules etc.. let me know. 16:51:31 anyone have anything else? 16:51:33 thanks 16:51:35 if not ill close in 30 16:53:10 #endmeeting