14:06:10 #startmeeting kde-sig -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2010-06-01 14:06:10 Meeting started Tue Jun 1 14:06:10 2010 UTC. The chair is jreznik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:06:10 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:06:48 #chair Kevin_Kofler than rdieter ltinkl SMParrish_mobile 14:06:48 Current chairs: Kevin_Kofler SMParrish_mobile jreznik ltinkl rdieter than 14:07:08 #topic roll call 14:07:13 Here 14:07:14 * ltinkl is present 14:07:15 Present. 14:07:18 * than is present 14:07:31 * thomasj waves 14:07:38 The agenda needs fixing, the one item that's there is a copy&paste from an old meeting. 14:07:54 #info Kevin_Kofler SMParrish_mobile ltinkl jreznik thomasj than present 14:08:35 Kevin_Kofler: yes, quick copy&paste - few secs ago there was no agenda at all 14:09:09 I need a new template to copy from :) 14:09:11 #topic agenda 14:10:04 anything to be added to agenda for todays meeting? 14:10:22 4.4.4 status 14:10:35 4.8.50 status? 14:10:45 4.4.80 sorry 14:10:50 Yeah, those are always good to discuss. 14:10:56 * Kevin_Kofler wants 4.8.50. ^^ 14:11:02 :D 14:11:27 Kevin_Kofler: in next 5 year :) 14:12:06 not five years, in two years 14:12:22 ok, anything else? 14:12:31 it's going to be quick status meeting... 14:13:50 ok, let's start 14:14:05 #topic 4.4.4 status 14:14:15 4.4.4 is imported into CVS yesterday 14:14:42 the patches still need to be adapted for 4.4.4 14:14:49 * rdieter wakes up, sorry. 14:14:50 than: Dirk updated kde-l10n-sr-4.4.4.tar.bz2 14:15:11 jreznik: it's already updated in CVS 14:15:19 great, thanks 14:15:59 * thomasj has to leave (kids).. Thankfully not a big loss for the meeting.. laters.. 14:16:00 than: I can do the patches/build work but tmrw 14:16:35 We need a tag set up, unless rdieter already did it. 14:16:42 rdieter: Can you please set up kde444 tags? 14:16:46 ok 14:17:46 oh, tag first 14:18:08 #action rdieter to set up kde444 tag 14:19:52 on a related note, KDE 4.4.5 is scheduled to be tagged on June 24th 14:21:03 Already?! 14:21:35 #info KDE 4.4.5 is scheduled to be tagged on June 24th 14:21:36 That's not even a month after 4.4.4. 14:21:46 yes 14:22:03 and to be released on June 29th 14:22:11 that is still this month :) 14:24:06 it's really soon 14:24:35 so now we need kde444 tag and rebase patches to 4.4.4 14:24:53 it's all for 4.4.4 status, lets' move on 4.5 beta 1 status 14:24:57 The problem with .5 releases is that they somehow interfere with 4.n+1 prereleases, so they keep experimenting with "interesting" release dates. 14:26:12 the question is - do we really need to pick up 4.4.5? it's a big update with a few changes usually... 14:27:08 jreznik: word has it that there are a few kdepim-related fixes to land in the 4.4.5 timeframe 14:27:35 but we can reserve judgement, until the time comes and we see the changelog 14:28:03 rdieter: and we can just cherry pick patches we need... better than one big KDE update... but will see 14:29:31 Well, I'm for the one big KDE update. :-) 14:30:04 Kevin_Kofler: but it's really huge update for small changes... we'll see... 14:30:10 ye, especially when ppl start crying "Ubuntu has 4.4.5 already!" :) 14:31:22 Does that really happen? 14:32:07 I'm not sure this happens (but I'm far away from Kubuntu word) 14:32:12 ok, let's move on 14:32:27 #topic 4.5.80 (kde 4.5 beta 1) status 14:35:04 kde-l10n is still missing (build failed) 14:35:46 Is our kdebindings complete or did we have to disable some stuff (smoke etc.)? 14:36:06 There's also a kdepimlibs ABI compatibility fix we need to make kdepim 4.4 work. 14:37:34 Kevin_Kofler: smoke (and frieds) was disabled 14:37:45 friends 14:38:03 something broke wrt qt-4.7.0-beta1 (it builds ok against 4.6) 14:38:45 it should be reported to kde upstream 14:39:13 I notified -bindings list, but doesn't replace a proper bug report I suppose 14:40:18 I guess I could fix it, but I don't have time today. Maybe tomorrow. 14:40:36 may be worth waiting for .85 coming later this week 14:40:48 kdebindings is the only package which always has build issue by every major kde update 14:40:54 rdieter: +1 14:41:06 than: There's also kde-l10n. 14:41:10 I hate those 2 packages. 14:41:13 They're always broken. 14:41:29 Kevin_Kofler: yes, kde-l10n too 14:41:41 something odd in .80's new dtd handling broke a bunch of other kde package's docbook generation 14:41:52 it's so difficult to try clean builds before release (even release for packagers?) 14:41:54 I noticed that when rebuilding stuff for new exiv2-0.20 in rawhide 14:42:29 got a handful of ftbfs now 14:42:57 amarok, kphotoalbum are 2 off the top of my head... 14:48:37 that's all, move on? 14:51:06 ops, sorry 14:51:23 #topic open discussion 14:51:57 What do you think about adding default UnredirectFullscreen=false in kwinrc to fix fullscreen applications flickering whenenabled desktop effects? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/+bug/327199 14:52:41 It hurts performance, doesn't it? 14:53:04 don't know 14:53:27 I didn't noticed any performance issues but I am not sure 14:54:03 The reason unredirecting fullscreen apps is done is for performance. 14:55:39 but the flickering is really very annoying 14:56:22 Yes its annoying so I just turned of the desktop effects. Dont want to take a performance hit to fix it though 14:57:04 I guess we can disable this "feature" if it causes more trouble than good. 14:58:15 SMParrish: is there really bad performance with UnredirectFullscreen=false? 14:58:28 1. ask kwin upstream opinion 14:58:55 2 either way, I think I'd rather document how users can toggle the option, rather than stray from upstream defaults here 14:59:18 +1 14:59:21 nucleo: not sure just saying if using it causes a performance hit its not worth it just for eye candy 14:59:46 rdieter: +1 14:59:52 nucleo: you mind asking the kwin folks what they think ? 15:00:21 given that, we can make an informed decision on the best way forward. 15:00:21 Is the crash with i950 that's mentioned in Launchpad also reproducible in Fedora? 15:00:33 Or is this just a bug in the version of the intel driver Ubuntu ships? 15:00:47 Because if there's a crash, that's worse than just flickering. 15:01:05 rdieter: is there kwin channel? 15:01:30 not that I'm aware of, just mailing list 15:01:45 could try asking in #kde or #kde-devel first though 15:02:12 #kwin ? 15:02:34 https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kwin 15:02:48 nucleo: looks like it, you found it 15:03:16 rdieter: Ok. I will ask 15:03:21 nucleo: thanks 15:04:37 we're out of time now... 15:05:19 #action nucleo to ask kwin people about UnredirectFullscreen=false option 15:05:21 it's alright, we have a light schedule today 15:05:28 take another few minutes if you need 'em 15:05:49 adamw: thanks, we can finnish it at #fedora-kde 15:05:50 #endmeeting