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#fedora-meeting: Fedora QA Meeting
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Meeting started by jlaska at 14:59:57 UTC. The full logs are available
at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-06-21/fedora-qa.2010-06-21-14.59.log.html
.



Meeting summary
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* Gathering critical mass  (jlaska, 15:00:05)
  * IDEA: New QA motto - "Testing Fedora is like stuffing a badger down
    your trousers; you don't really know when it's going to bite."
    (jlaska, 15:02:46)

* Previous meeting follow-up  (jlaska, 15:04:44)
  * jlaska to check-in with lmacken on the status of
    https://fedorahosted.org/bodhi/ticket/424  (jlaska, 15:04:55)
  * adamw to forward wwoods a good explanation of the nss-softokn
    problem scenario to ensure autoqa catches it in future  (jlaska,
    15:06:44)
  * LINK:
    https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-devel/2010-June/000703.html
    (jlaska, 15:07:16)
  * ACTION: wwoods to evaluate nss-softokn dependency problem for proper
    'depcheck' coverage  (jlaska, 15:09:10)
  * jlaska to propose a clean-up of the Critical Path Packages wiki to
    be a suitable home for critpath information  (jlaska, 15:11:04)
  * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Critical_Path_Packages
    (jlaska, 15:12:05)
  * ACTION: jlaska to cleanup (or remove) the Critical Path
    Packages#Background section so that it provides _some_ value
    (jlaska, 15:16:30)

* F14 QA Recommendations  (jlaska, 15:16:58)
  * Jlaska organized Fedora_13_QA_Retrospective feedback into a list of
    QA recommendations for Fedora 14.  (jlaska, 15:17:32)

* Proventester Update  (jlaska, 15:22:44)

* Systemd QA preparation  (jlaska, 15:30:33)
  * Viking-ice noted that Features/systemd was approved by FESCO and
    wanted to propose several QA ideas.  (jlaska, 15:30:53)
  * adamw reached out to lennart for interest on a F14 test day
    (jlaska, 15:32:19)
  * ACTION: Viking-Ice will start 'how to debug systemd problems' guide
    and send to list for review  (jlaska, 15:35:58)
  * ACTION: jlaska to review F14 test day wiki content  (jlaska,
    15:36:39)

* AutoQA updates (initscripts, prioritization status)  (kparal,
  15:40:15)
  * LINK:
    https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-devel/2010-June/000687.html
    (jskladan, 15:43:52)
  * jskladan wrote an explanation how to contribute with initscripts,
    will put it on the wiki  (kparal, 15:46:47)
  * jlaska gathered huge number of machines available for autoqa testing
    (kparal, 15:47:06)
  * Infrastructure team comes to QA's rescue -- thanks mmcgrath and
    smooge!  (jlaska, 15:48:04)
  * jskladan recruited another volunteer to help up with virtualization,
    Ray Chen  (kparal, 15:48:57)

* Open discussion <your topic here>  (kparal, 15:51:36)
  * Interesting test idea for anyone interested --
    http://blog.famillecollet.com/post/2010/06/20/ABI-:-stability-check
    (jlaska, 15:52:34)

* TCs/RCs archive  (kparal, 15:52:50)
  * ACTION: robatino to ask infrastructure team to archive previous
    RCs/TCs  (kparal, 15:57:23)

* test case: ABI - stability check  (kparal, 15:58:13)
  * http://blog.famillecollet.com/post/2010/06/20/ABI-:-stability-check
    (kparal, 15:58:23)
  * LINK:
    http://blog.famillecollet.com/post/2010/06/20/ABI-:-stability-check
    (kparal, 15:58:31)
  * ACTION: jlaska to create a ticket about possible enhancement/new
    test case for ABI stability check  (kparal, 16:02:09)

* Open discussion <your topic here>  (kparal, 16:02:36)

Meeting ended at 16:04:27 UTC.




Action Items
------------
* wwoods to evaluate nss-softokn dependency problem for proper
  'depcheck' coverage
* jlaska to cleanup (or remove) the Critical Path Packages#Background
  section so that it provides _some_ value
* Viking-Ice will start 'how to debug systemd problems' guide and send
  to list for review
* jlaska to review F14 test day wiki content
* robatino to ask infrastructure team to archive previous RCs/TCs
* jlaska to create a ticket about possible enhancement/new test case for
  ABI stability check




Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* jlaska
  * jlaska to cleanup (or remove) the Critical Path Packages#Background
    section so that it provides _some_ value
  * jlaska to review F14 test day wiki content
  * jlaska to create a ticket about possible enhancement/new test case
    for ABI stability check
* robatino
  * robatino to ask infrastructure team to archive previous RCs/TCs
* Viking-Ice
  * Viking-Ice will start 'how to debug systemd problems' guide and send
    to list for review
* **UNASSIGNED**
  * wwoods to evaluate nss-softokn dependency problem for proper
    'depcheck' coverage




People Present (lines said)
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* jlaska (103)
* kparal (56)
* adamw (38)
* jskladan (17)
* Viking-Ice (8)
* robatino (6)
* zodbot (4)
* mmcgrath (2)
* dafrito (1)




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