15:00:09 <AdamW> #startmeeting Bugzappers 2010-07-27
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15:01:36 <AdamW> #meetingname bugzappers
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15:01:39 <AdamW> #topic gathering
15:01:43 <AdamW> morning folks, how's it going?
15:01:50 <AdamW> sorry i'm a bit slow, multitasking
15:02:43 <j_dulaney> I've decided to see how things are on the Bugzappers side, just trying to expand my Fedora knowledge
15:02:44 * fenris02 waves
15:03:05 <AdamW> morning j_dulaney
15:03:15 <AdamW> poelcat: around? couple of the topics are yours
15:03:21 <AdamW> jraber: around?
15:03:56 <poelcat> AdamW: hi
15:05:31 <AdamW> well, we need jraber for the triage stats update, so let's leave that for now and go to poelcat's topics
15:05:45 <AdamW> #topic F14 housekeeping
15:05:58 <AdamW> poelcat listed this as "Need help and owners for this page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/HouseKeeping/Fedora14. Biggest help right now is updating the queries and proofing all the text."
15:06:03 <AdamW> is this still current? i lose track
15:07:26 <poelcat> AdamW i didn't get any feedback on the rawhide rebase section
15:07:39 <AdamW> morning tcpip
15:07:49 <tcpip4000> hi AdamW, all
15:07:56 <poelcat> would be good to get a second pair of eyes or three to make sure I didn't mess something up
15:08:20 * AdamW does a quick scan of it
15:09:24 <poelcat> #info: rawhide rebase is scheduled to run at the end of the week
15:09:27 <AdamW> i see one package review in the list that's filed against the wrong component
15:09:38 <AdamW> other than that, looks good to me
15:11:19 <AdamW> anyone else see any problems with that?
15:13:04 * jeff_hann is here
15:13:16 <poelcat> AdamW: the silent majoirty agrees :)
15:13:37 <AdamW> heh, always a handy thing to have around. or, well, not, iyswim.
15:13:40 <AdamW> :P
15:13:43 <AdamW> okay, last topic then
15:13:56 <AdamW> #topic blocker triage SOP
15:14:01 <AdamW> another poelcat special
15:14:05 <AdamW> "Need help nagging developers for feedback in blocker bugs. Could we create a template for comments and a simple SOP of things triagers should review blocker bugs for? "
15:14:13 <AdamW> honestly this might have to wait till we have more people around, slow meeting today
15:14:23 <poelcat> okay
15:14:29 <fenris02> there are not that many blockers at this point
15:14:33 <poelcat> the background or idea is here... https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting#Requesting_Status_Before_The_Meeting
15:14:41 <AdamW> fenris02: sure, but it helps to get this sorted before there are :)
15:14:56 <fenris02> point
15:14:56 <AdamW> fenris02: the number of blockers will mushroom as soon as we get our first manual test point (alpha tc) and even more when alpha goes public
15:15:11 * poelcat has observed that one of the biggest time consumers at the blocker review meetings is operating with very little information and trying to fill in gaps
15:15:18 * jraber joins.
15:15:25 <AdamW> poelcat: indeed
15:15:31 <poelcat> in a perfect world if we have that information before the meeting we can make decisions, get status faster and move on
15:16:00 <poelcat> so i thought the bugzappers might be able to help me cruise the bug list before the meeting and try to prod things along
15:16:21 <AdamW> basically the key info is 'what is the impact of this bug, who is responsible for fixing it (implication that SOMEONE has to be), when is it going to be fixed'
15:16:49 <poelcat> AdamW: right, thus the three questions in the example
15:16:51 <fenris02> a checklist would be nice
15:17:32 <poelcat> on a related note i'm also going to be spamming, i mean, mailing devel list with blocker bugs that don't appear to be making progress or worked
15:17:44 <poelcat> so help there would be appreciated to
15:17:45 <poelcat> too
15:17:58 <AdamW> help of what kind?
15:18:23 <poelcat> reviewing the bugs and generating the email and sending it
15:18:44 <poelcat> this is only for bugs where it appears nothing is happening
15:18:44 <fenris02> one weekly nag-email you mean?
15:18:51 <poelcat> fenris02: daily
15:18:58 <poelcat> or maybe every other day
15:19:21 <fenris02> more than 2-3x/wk is likely to be circular filed imho
15:19:54 <AdamW> it may be hard to co-ordinate with casual helpers too, at that schedule...
15:20:47 <poelcat> yes, it might not be optimal, but i'm trying to do *something* about getting the bugs we already know about addressed so we have time for the emergencies that come the day before RC :)
15:20:58 * fenris02 nods
15:21:18 <AdamW> sure
15:21:56 <AdamW> like i say we're lightly peopled today...it might be best to go to the list with the idea and maybe on a case-to-case basis for now poke in fedora-qa when you want/need help?
15:22:14 <poelcat> okay
15:22:38 <poelcat> that's all
15:24:01 <jraber> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/Metrics
15:24:16 <AdamW> #topic triage metric update
15:24:22 <AdamW> any news, jraber?
15:24:35 <AdamW> on my side i'm still waiting for a few more queries to be available before i send out an email
15:25:12 <jraber> Updated that page with the latest info.  Now we have 7,30,60,90 days for each of the available metrics
15:25:33 <jraber> (Hmm...except the last one.  I'll fix that.)
15:26:30 <jraber> According to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:BugZappers/Metrics I am only lacking 1 'metric'
15:26:37 <jraber> "# of 'Triaged' bugs CLOSED in last xx Days by # of days since Triaged  flag was set "
15:26:42 <fenris02> do you have some automated way of populating that wiki page ?
15:27:05 <jraber> At the moment, no.  I had one, but I changed the format.
15:27:35 <jraber> Now I want to finalize the look of that page, then I will fix the script to generate the entire page.  Then we can just copy/paste
15:27:49 <AdamW> nice
15:28:16 <jraber> I would like to add links to bugzilla queries next to each of the numbers
15:28:29 <AdamW> yeah that'd be nice
15:28:51 <AdamW> i'll try again to write my prospective email update and see if there's any numbers i'd like to put in it that aren't listed
15:28:58 <jraber> Did I see something on the test list about sortable tables?  Anybody know about that?
15:29:01 <AdamW> or at least i'll try, f14 stuff is looking a bit chaotic right now
15:29:30 <AdamW> jraber: yes, see for instance https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_14_Alpha_TC1_Install for a nice usage of it
15:29:38 <AdamW> expandable and sortable
15:29:49 <jraber> great thanks!
15:30:15 <fenris02> neat
15:30:29 <jraber> Yeah, looks fancier.  The standard tables were a little 'weak'
15:31:34 <jraber> ok.  So my goal is to implement the fancier tables, and add links to buglists (where possible)
15:32:24 <AdamW> cool.
15:32:41 <AdamW> #action jraber working on the final metric, making the wiki page update automatically, and implementing shinier tables
15:32:49 <AdamW> #action adamw to try again to send a test triage stats email
15:34:31 <fenris02> are there more bugzappers that might be enticed somehow to helping out ?
15:34:48 <AdamW> so far jraber is the volunteer squadron =)
15:35:10 <AdamW> #topic open floor
15:35:12 <AdamW> any other business?
15:36:18 <jraber> erm...I haven't yet updated the wiki page regarding setting the 'triaged' keyword.  That was an action from last week
15:36:29 <jraber> So I'll try to get it done tonight
15:36:33 <AdamW> tut tut
15:36:35 <AdamW> :P
15:36:36 <AdamW> thanks
15:37:04 <jraber> That's all for me folk.  $dayjob calls.
15:38:22 <AdamW> okey dokey
15:38:25 <AdamW> thanks for coming everyone
15:39:10 <fenris02> cheers, and thanks for organizing it :)
15:39:14 <AdamW> #endmeeting