21:05:12 <brunowolff> #startmeeting
21:05:12 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Sep 13 21:05:12 2010 UTC.  The chair is brunowolff. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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21:05:20 <brunowolff> #meetingname spins-sig
21:05:20 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'spins-sig'
21:05:31 <brunowolff> #topic who's here?
21:05:39 <brunowolff> Sorry I was a few minutes late.
21:07:21 <brunowolff> #topic FYI
21:07:25 <nirik> hello.
21:07:45 <brunowolff> #topic nightly composes
21:07:49 <brunowolff> Hi
21:08:07 <brunowolff> When I checked earlier the composes looked like they were current.
21:08:31 <nirik> reasonably...
21:08:33 <brunowolff> There might be a forthcoming issue with empathy, as that was giving problems last night.
21:08:36 <nirik> many fail today.
21:08:37 <nirik> yep.
21:09:05 <brunowolff> Hopefully that one gets fixed or backed out.
21:09:12 <nirik> Error creating Live CD : Failed to build transaction : empathy-2.31.90-1.fc14.x86_64 requires libcamel-1.2.so.19()(64bit)
21:09:34 <brunowolff> Is that a beta blocker?
21:10:21 <brunowolff> If it should be I can file a bug for it.
21:10:40 <nirik> yeah, I haven't looked into it much yet...
21:11:17 <brunowolff> #action brunowolff will file a beta blocker bug for the empathy dependency problem.
21:11:28 <brunowolff> #topic livecd-tools
21:11:52 <brunowolff> I went through the mailing list and bug reports and tried to pull in all of the reasonable patches.
21:12:14 <brunowolff> A couple of things need a bit more tweaking based on early reports.
21:12:16 <nirik> yeah, thanks for doing that.
21:12:44 <brunowolff> I am going to fix the vesa issue if I can tonight. If I can't we'll need to call for help.
21:13:15 <brunowolff> Some of the other stuff, I'll try to get to, but I don't think they block the beta.
21:13:23 <nirik> ok.
21:13:30 <nirik> let me know when thats fixed and I can test here locally.
21:13:41 <brunowolff> I'll commit stuff as patches to 034 and master for eventual 035 after the beta release.
21:14:36 <brunowolff> It takes me a long time to test stuff and I don't have a long window to work, but I'll see if I can test the vesa fix tonight using a smaller
21:15:02 <brunowolff> spin. As the games spin takes too long and has been running out of space on the machine I'm using to build it.
21:15:25 <brunowolff> I'll also look at the bash stuff, since that may be a more serious problem.
21:15:57 <brunowolff> The SMC device one I consider less important, since it isn't really a regression.
21:16:07 <nirik> yeah.
21:16:22 <brunowolff> I didn't like it running awk to figure out the partition name. There has to be a better way.
21:17:17 <brunowolff> I'm looking at deferring that one to give me time to think about it rather than putting in a hack that will then never get fixed.
21:18:20 <brunowolff> I think pending new bug feedback that's it for this topic.
21:18:41 <brunowolff> #action brunowolff will build a new livecd-tools tonight.
21:18:48 <brunowolff> #topic meego
21:18:54 <brunowolff> This is mostly FYI.
21:19:19 <brunowolff> We aren't going to be able to pass the compliance test, so we can't freely use the meego trademark.
21:19:31 <brunowolff> This will affect art work and the like.
21:19:31 <nirik> hum...
21:19:43 <nirik> I thought that got worked out? I guess I didn't read it too closely.
21:20:00 <brunowolff> I don't think the Spins SIG will need to do anything to help with this change.
21:20:54 <brunowolff> Paul sent something out to a few people that would be involved. I think Peter, myself and the design team.
21:21:17 <brunowolff> The word meego can still be used, just very carefully.
21:21:40 <nirik> ah, ok
21:21:51 <brunowolff> When I hear this is finally worked out, I change the status of the spin, but it will be getting done in some form or another.
21:22:12 <brunowolff> #topic test plans
21:22:27 <brunowolff> I still haven't picked out a proposed set of test plans
21:22:40 <brunowolff> It probably won't be happening this week either.
21:22:57 <brunowolff> I'll hopefull be able to do that before october.
21:23:13 <brunowolff> #topic spins SIG status report
21:23:13 <nirik> ok
21:23:56 <brunowolff> I sent an email message to Jared with some background on the status of the spins sig. There may be an IRC meeting at some point.
21:24:11 <nirik> RE: getting more folks involved ?
21:24:20 <brunowolff> The SIG isn't going to keep running like this and something needs to change.
21:24:41 <brunowolff> Either more people need to get involved or the SIG needs to be disbanded.
21:24:44 * nirik nods. I totally agree.
21:25:40 <brunowolff> I promised to stick out F14. And that I might be convinced to do F15 (if there is a plan to improve things). But after that some
21:25:47 <brunowolff> other solution needs to be in place.
21:26:07 <brunowolff> #topic other
21:26:14 <nirik> I agree. Thanks for being willing to move it along for now...
21:26:17 <brunowolff> Did you have anything you wanted to discuss?
21:26:42 * nirik thinks. I think I did have one thing, but now I am having trouble remembering it.
21:27:01 <brunowolff> No hurry.
21:27:18 <nirik> oh, we should remind everyone to work on size issues.
21:27:59 <brunowolff> #atcion brunowolff will send message to spins list reminding people that we need to be serious about sizes now.
21:28:13 <brunowolff> #action  brunowolff will send message to spins list reminding people that we need to be serious about sizes now.
21:28:34 <brunowolff> #action brunowolff will mail out the meeting notes.
21:28:38 <nirik> I can't think of anything further.
21:28:54 <brunowolff> Ok, that's a wrap. Thanks for attending!
21:28:59 <brunowolff> #endmeeting