01:00:05 #startmeeting 01:00:05 Meeting started Wed Sep 22 01:00:05 2010 UTC. The chair is StabbyMc. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 01:00:05 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 01:00:07 #topic NA Fedora Ambassadors Meeting 01:00:17 #topic NA Fedora Ambassadors Meeting - Announcements 01:00:22 Hello everyone. 01:00:32 * herlo is here 01:00:32 Lets start with announcements, shout 'em if you got 'em. 01:00:52 UTOSC is ~3 weeks away, come join us! 01:00:58 tons of Fedorans will be there :) 01:00:59 bacon 01:01:36 herlo: you have some more UTOSC stuff in the Events part of the meeting, right? 01:01:42 yes 01:02:10 More announcements? 01:02:25 3 01:02:34 2 01:02:42 1 01:02:48 #topic NA Fedora Ambassadors Meeting - Events 01:02:54 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents 01:03:00 #topic NA Fedora Ambassadors Meeting - Open Video Conference 01:03:06 Who's topic is this? 01:03:27 i don't know, but that sounds like fun. 01:03:29 threethirty I think 01:03:39 yeah its mine 01:03:40 he's the only other one beside you and me 01:03:48 * StabbyMc yeilds to threethirty 01:03:50 who edited the wiki ) 01:05:17 Ok OVC is the Open Video Conference, i just found out about it last week and looking at the schedule it looks like something that would be useful in trying to create a fedora video presence on the web 01:05:40 how so? 01:06:13 marketing tried this a while ago and we ran into some bumps one being Freedom... OVC is a whole conference dedicated to just this issue 01:06:23 also, is it 2011 or 2010? You put 2011 in the title, but then 2010 on the dates. 01:06:44 sorry it 2010, i was excited 01:06:54 threethirty: are you referring to fedora.tv? 01:07:01 no 01:07:05 or some other method 01:07:10 he's referring to our work with the students at allegheny 01:07:20 ahh 01:07:37 where it was a youtube / flash lovefest 01:07:38 :) 01:07:49 that is an understatement 01:08:02 I would say that we have tried a few solutions, sounds like that's the latest attempt... 01:08:10 I like that we're continuing down this road 01:08:25 +1 01:08:32 * herlo would love to come, but he's otherwise occupied 01:08:48 threethirty: what do you want/need from us? 01:09:23 * herlo gives threethirty a big ole pat on the back and sends him on his way to OVC :{ 01:09:26 herlo: a greyhound ticket and a place to sleep. 01:09:40 threethirty: how far away are you?? 01:09:54 is it on the event page? 01:09:59 herlo: richmond, IN, 23 hours on greyhound 01:10:04 inode0: not my location 01:10:04 and how much is the event? 01:10:10 herlo: its free 01:10:11 the event? 01:10:16 inode0: it can be added 01:10:19 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OVC2010 01:10:20 * inode0 knows your location 01:10:33 inode0: OVC is in manhattan 01:10:36 right 01:10:54 * herlo wonders how much a plane ticket is because that sounds *awfully* long 01:11:34 * ke4qqq suggests that you drag jds2001 along as well, he's pretty close. 01:11:34 * mock is uploading his vacation pictures from his trip to nyc as we type... 01:11:37 * inode0 would like to hear more about what happens there and what Fedora will be doing there 01:11:42 herlo: i wondered that too, but i dont know anything about NY geography and knew that penn station was a stop on greyhound 01:12:06 money can sort itself out if it is interesting 01:12:06 threethirty: you can get to penn from the subway and to the subway from jfk and newark pretty easily 01:12:07 * lcafiero votes to get jds2001 involved since he's good a volunteering other peopel 01:12:10 people, too 01:12:34 * herlo thinks inode0 is on to somethign and wants to hear that stuff too 01:13:47 there are talks about Free codecs, one on how to "build your own youtube" etc 01:14:09 I think it's a good idea, if we can get the fedora video stuff going, and we have a timeline for that, or if we think attending will help spur that along. Maybe a presentation or a roadmap / plan to be presented as a result of what was learned during FUDCon would be a good idea. 01:14:10 I'm curious if anyone from Red Hat goes? 01:14:25 threethirty: did choke respond to u 01:14:46 * herlo would be interested in the fudcon goals for video 01:14:58 especially since I've been heavily involved with freeseer 01:15:02 ke4qqq: yes he did, he said there were some red hat people going and that they had their rooming sorted out 01:15:03 * rbergeron nods - i would actualy like fudcon videoz even or possibly streaming :) 01:15:22 rbergeron: I am working on the vids this year for FUDCon btw 01:15:26 ahhh. 01:15:28 using freeseer is making it *simple* 01:15:30 is colby going? 01:15:41 * herlo hopes so 01:15:56 * inode0 means to this NYC event 01:16:00 indeed 01:16:04 * herlo meant that too 01:16:05 herlo: you should look at kaltura. http://www.kaltura.org/ i talked to them a bit at oscon; they actually run their stuff on Fedora. they also were the backend for a lot of the red hat summit videos as well. 01:16:18 heck, maybe they'd want to sponsor the video end, not to totally throw us offtrack ;D 01:16:29 rbergeron: pm 01:16:30 * rbergeron gets back on the train and apologizes 01:18:23 Ok, I think we may have taken a left turn somewhere. 01:18:26 * herlo thinks there is enough interest in OVC to get threethirty there... 01:18:33 yes. 01:18:40 thanks for putting us back on topic herlo. 01:18:41 this side discussion is why i thought it was important to have someone go (even if it wasnt me) to OVC we hall have ideas for stuff we'd like to do but no infra 01:18:47 * inode0 is not clear on the goals or value to be honest 01:19:06 let me state some good goals then 01:19:18 if threethirty attends, he can bring back the following 01:19:18 are we having a fedora booth presence, or is the goal to learn about video and take that back and do stuff in fedora? 01:19:25 a report of what happened 01:19:35 rbergeron: to learn 01:19:43 a list of people who are doing free video who might want to have their package in fedora 01:19:49 friends 01:20:16 and to the end goal, some contacts that might be willing to help us build a cool free video suite in all free software 01:20:19 rbergeron: i was hoping to get some media to bring with me to hand out if anyone was interested 01:20:42 threethirty: I can send some if you want, but it might be tight, maybe nb has some?? 01:20:46 then i say go forth and learn, and whatever else herlo is saying. I just want to see a plan for moving our video stuff forward so we have something vs. nothing. 01:20:47 threethirty: we can of course send anything that is needed 01:20:49 I have a bunch of media. 01:20:56 rbergeron: keep it 01:21:02 but we want something back 01:21:06 we have people who can send it 01:21:17 inode0: what do we want? Did I not give you enough to get somethign back? 01:21:34 * inode0 suggests threethirty follow the SOP for requesting travel funding 01:21:50 inode0: got a link? 01:21:51 and lay it out 01:21:59 inode0: indeed, I thought he had done that 01:22:01 We have a boatload of recorded video around, and no way to distribute it that is in keeping with our foundations. 01:22:11 * inode0 hasn't seen anything 01:22:24 inode0: I assumed since it was on the agenda 01:22:42 * herlo knows that makes somethign out of u and me 01:22:57 I'd like something more concrete than "I'd like to go investigate..." 01:23:19 sure sure 01:23:29 I was saying I thought he had done the process... 01:24:05 i cant be sure what is to be learned there... if i did i woulnt need to go to learn it 01:24:26 we have made software freedom a bottleneck and i want to fix that 01:24:27 I think it's important that fedora have a presence at OVC - even if it's only an 'investigatory' one. To have no one represent us would seem as if we didn't care, which is clearly not the case 01:24:31 threethirty: that's not quite what inode0 was saying 01:24:57 perhaps the part threethirty is leaving out is that he's largely been driving a lot of the video struff in -mktg over the past 6 months 01:25:00 I think he's saying you should use soem of the suggestions we gave as justification 01:25:24 ke4qqq: i forget not everyone here was watching that... 01:25:34 so there is a clear end goal he's working out for fedora - he prolly just assumes we are all subscribed to each list. 01:25:52 hehe, I am, but don't have time to read them all 01:26:23 threethirty: you and I should talk though, I might have some things to show you 01:26:33 * ke4qqq has no objections to funding threethirty 01:26:40 +1 01:26:40 * herlo concurs 01:26:56 +1 01:27:04 but he should fill out the request to follow protocol 01:27:12 * lcafiero has no objection, however he would like a clarification of what the goals are on the wiki, as inode0 suggests 01:27:15 herlo: i can do that 01:27:27 lcafiero: i can do that 01:27:28 +1 01:28:00 Ok, anything more on this topic before moving on? 01:28:50 #topic NA Fedora Ambassadors Meeting - UTOSC 2010 Sponsorship 01:28:56 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Utah_Open_Source_Conference_2010 01:29:02 herlo: all you. 01:29:06 whee! 01:29:08 so 01:29:18 as you all know, this October 7-9 is UTOSC 01:29:33 several are attending/speaking from this crowd 01:29:41 visit http://utosc.com for more info 01:29:57 includeing jsmith doing a keynote 01:30:15 Fedora BoF 01:30:21 yes, rbergeron is marketing presenting and quaid is also keynoting 01:30:37 and rrix is presenting 01:30:38 iirc 01:30:42 we *had* ruth suehle but she had a conflic 01:30:44 t 01:30:45 2 of the 3 keynotes are fedora people? 01:30:51 rbergeron: BoF, but yeah 01:30:57 * lcafiero is presenting on something non-Fedora related. 01:30:58 VileGent: they are 01:31:36 VileGent: we had a plan for another, but it fell through, non-fedora even 01:31:55 so we were gonig to have 4 but now we have 3 01:31:59 still pretty darn good 01:32:02 anyway 01:32:24 on the meeting agenda are the prospectus and sponsorship docuemnts 01:32:41 we're approachign fedora for a sponsorship as we have in past years 01:32:44 herlo, ok what did we do historicly on supporting utos 01:32:59 we'd also like to approch RH, but not sure if we have enough time 01:33:10 VileGent: last year was the only year Fedora was a sponsor 01:33:20 in previous years, they hd a booth or did presentations 01:33:35 the amount they gave was equivalent to a booth, $700 01:33:56 * inode0 proposes allocating $1500 to the event owner and letting the owner sort out the details - UTOSC has always been valuable to Fedora <- to get us started 01:33:57 the booths are $750 this year, but I don't know what you guys want to do 01:34:22 I know that others are traveling as well, so there might be monies needign to be sent that direction 01:34:40 * herlo opens this up for discussion 01:35:11 +1 to inode's proposal - let herlo divvy up 1500 as he sees fit, for travel and sponsorship. 01:35:29 * herlo points the ownership to lcafiero, hopefully :) 01:35:34 * rbergeron and rrix are requesting in the neighborhood of 600-700 in an upcoming portion of the agenda, for gas and hotel. 01:35:45 I'm organizing the event, but the booth is in lcafiero's hands 01:35:46 * lcafiero turns around and looks at who herlo is pointing to. 01:35:47 probably closer to 600. 01:35:50 which we ought to mention... 01:36:11 lcafiero: haha 01:36:12 right, since it's herlo's gig, I'm the event owner. 01:36:30 herlo's gig = utosc 01:36:35 * inode0 trusts the event owner to do right whoever it is :) 01:37:11 lcafiero: are you requesting fundage? 01:37:23 Yes. 01:37:31 hmmmm so when is this?? 01:37:45 when am i requesting the funding or when is the event? 01:37:52 the event 01:38:12 Oct 7-9 01:38:20 just under 3-weeks 01:38:40 I need to make a chart on the wiki to sort out funding requests, a la other events. 01:38:45 Which I'll do in a few minutes. 01:38:46 i already did that. 01:38:54 * herlo meant to have this discussion last meeting but failed... 01:38:59 * laubersm coming in late hears a round of who's on first, what's on second, I dont know.... 01:39:01 lcafiero: I can help you... 01:39:04 thanks, rbergeron 01:39:15 * lcafiero thinks that was fast. 01:39:20 lol :) 01:39:47 rbergeron: is it time for me to change the topic again? 01:39:53 lcafiero: can you send it to f-a-l when you have that done- I imagine we can do this all on the list 01:40:04 OK, ke4qqq 01:40:19 +1 to inodes proposal 01:40:21 Don't forget, rbergeron and rrix, to put your names down on the booth list as well 01:40:26 * herlo thinsk this is good :) 01:40:37 lcafiero: poke quaid too 01:40:42 yes. 01:40:45 i'll sign up for hte booth if i know i'm going :) 01:40:45 and his girls for their bios :) 01:40:58 we also have the girls as well. 01:41:11 * ke4qqq really wants us to get out of the nickel and dime budgeting - lets give $eventowner money - and charge him to get maximum benefit for fedora 01:41:19 * herlo notes he is working on gettting balsa airplanes this year for the airplane throw :) 01:41:20 stabbymc: sure. 01:41:25 #topic NA Fedora Ambassadors Meeting - UTOSC Attendance sponsorship 01:41:50 rbergeron: the floor is yours. 01:41:51 StabbyMc: I think that was already taken care of :) 01:42:04 well fine then! 01:42:05 Ryan and I are requesting $625 for gas for our epic utah drive and hotel room. Unless ryan finds another roommate (i am pushing him at jsmith). 01:42:08 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Utah_Open_Source_Conference_2010#Proposed_Budget 01:42:14 heh 01:42:17 oh, haha, nm 01:42:28 I am speaking on OMNOM (open marketing, not obscured marketing) and he is doing a BoF on Campus Ambassadors. 01:42:41 In the hopes of haivng Campus Ambassador groups on other campuses, presumably. 01:43:12 * herlo hopes for that too :) 01:43:22 So I can either ask $event owner to divvy out money accordingly, or just ask y'all. 01:43:24 * ke4qqq notes that at one time Campus Amb. had their own budget as well 01:43:31 My car will be coming with cookies. 01:43:53 mmmm, cookies 01:43:55 +1 to cookies 01:44:11 yeah, i'll bring cookies. 01:44:26 Yes, I can check with spevack on the whole campus ambassador budget. 01:44:35 Because presumably maybe this could come from that budget. 01:44:49 woohoo! cookies 01:44:49 * rbergeron didn't know that there was a budget there 01:45:00 * ke4qqq notes spevack has lots of pockets 01:45:01 so apparently i'll go ot the list with this one also. 01:45:25 and then sync back with herlo. 01:45:30 w00t! 01:45:40 I think the question for us tonight is what are we comfortable shooting in the direction of UTOSC? 01:45:45 We have one more meeting before the actual event (day before). 01:45:51 lcafiero, what are you expecting to request in terms of money? 01:46:09 * herlo thinks $30m should do :) 01:46:14 $30m 01:46:19 w00t! 01:46:22 lol 01:47:15 If we have $1500 to spend, we'll see how far it goes. If we spend less, we spend less. 01:47:25 We have three +1's for $1500. If that doesn't turn out to be enough come back and/or try with spevack?! 01:47:33 I'm not sure that answers your question. 01:47:40 lcafiero: sponsor the event with what you don't need 01:47:42 I think we have general consensus on the $1500, no? 01:47:48 +1 01:47:53 +1 01:47:55 +1 01:47:56 Oh, OK. 01:48:01 * herlo was really hoping for that $30m 01:48:07 oh well, maybe next year :) 01:48:12 I thought the sponsorship was separate, but that'll work. 01:48:27 lcafiero: I think we can work with whatever fedora wants to give us :) 01:48:35 us = utosc 01:48:39 absolutely, herlo 01:48:50 * herlo wears too many hats these days 01:49:10 herlo: start a collection :) 01:49:31 but they're all fedoras 01:49:31 lol, have a few hats already, don't need more !! 01:50:27 * herlo thinks we killed that topic 01:50:29 Okay. Are we moving on? We can sort out the actual stuff on list. 01:50:40 indeed 01:50:42 right 01:50:51 * herlo waits for StabbyMc to wake up :) 01:50:54 I'll wait to hear back from max on the existence of campus ambassador budget, we can wait from larry to hear about how much $, and see what else is left after that. 01:51:00 right. 01:51:04 in the meantime, lcafiero, $1500, don't go to vegas :) 01:51:05 * threethirty pokes StabbyMc with a stick 01:51:10 I'm here, I'm here. 01:51:17 * lcafiero was just checking flights to Brazil . . . 01:51:18 #topic NA Fedora Ambassadors Meeting - Budget Review 01:51:20 rbergeron: hahahah 01:51:20 * lcafiero kids 01:51:21 though i'll be going through there on the way 01:51:25 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_budget 01:51:57 So I haven't heard that we're crunched for budget. 01:52:08 spevack: any input here? 01:52:25 probably aren't 01:52:45 I wanted to give the opportunity. 01:52:52 #topic Unfinished Business / Open Floor 01:53:08 I have an open floor item. 01:53:17 I'm looking for someone to take over proctoring meetings. 01:53:36 I've almost served out the year, it's time to pass the torch. 01:53:38 wait! 01:53:49 what about the discs?? 01:54:02 it's on the budget review 01:54:07 F14 Media Production - reconsider production of double-sided media?! 01:54:07 See, this is why someone else needs to take over meetings ;-) 01:54:11 lol 01:54:28 Fine, lets put that in open floor and I'll suffer. 01:54:33 herlo: go. 01:54:48 kk 01:55:07 I just wonder what others think, since I am the one creating media, I can looking to the pricing 01:55:14 it seems reasonable enough 01:55:33 i think the double sided media is a cool idea 01:55:38 double sided DVDs for x86 & x86_64 seem like a decent idea 01:55:42 seems a reasonable thing if it isn't too expensive 01:55:52 live? 01:56:07 +2 for double sided media 01:56:11 live x86 still seems ok to me 01:56:24 but either way 01:56:25 do we have a ballpark pricing? I'm down if it's not asininely expensive. 01:56:27 good point 01:56:35 +1 01:56:40 * ke4qqq hates doublesided 01:56:43 inode0: indeed, not planning to change that 01:56:45 i can say that that x86_64 flew at OLF 01:56:49 but if it's reasonable I won't object 01:56:51 save a tree, or whatever discs are made out of :-) 01:56:58 yeah, I don't like double sided personally either 01:57:01 * herlo guesses it won't be more than $1.25/per 01:57:06 * ke4qqq likes having the fedora logo ont he discs 01:57:08 s/per/pc/ 01:57:15 sthistle: this doesn't reduce how many we make, only increases the price 01:57:20 ke4qqq: we still can in the hole :) 01:57:20 1.25 per??? thats well nigh double and we lose the logo 01:57:28 ke4qqq: no it's not 01:57:30 ke4qqq: cant we something screened in the middle of the disc? 01:57:34 -1 then 01:57:35 it's about .40 more 01:57:46 dvd always cost more 01:57:54 you are right - I am thinking CD cost 01:57:54 about $.89/pc 01:57:59 ke4qqq: indeed 01:58:00 :) 01:58:01 fedora logo adds advertising value.. 01:58:09 * herlo agrees withthe logo point 01:58:13 hmm. good point 01:58:21 I think it might be a good idea to do a small run of the mixed double sided 01:58:26 i agree but also isnt what the sleeve for 01:58:27 not much, if there is a sleeve that is enough advertising I think 01:58:34 but I actually think the sleeves provide as much value as the logo on the CD 01:58:35 Who hands out cd/dvd's without a sleeve? 01:58:47 herlo: Agreed. 01:59:02 we certainly don't 01:59:05 I have tons of cd's at my desk in the office.. cannot find a single sleeve :-) 01:59:06 I think we should go one way or the other 01:59:24 soon we'll be known as "that double-sided distro" 01:59:26 the point of double sided is so people don't need to choose, not to give them a 3rd choice 01:59:27 maybe marketing can find us some research on logos on discs? 01:59:39 sthistle: yes, but think about that for a second, how many of those are burned cds?? 02:00:05 paper sleeves are easily obtained. 02:00:17 no, mock -- OpenSUSE does that already. 02:00:17 fenris02: nah, we want professional ones for handing out 02:00:23 herlo, prolly all of them :-) 02:00:27 i think we try it for f14 since f14 has fewer events in the que 02:00:35 sthistle: exactly 02:00:41 VileGent: +1 02:00:43 lcafiero: oh 02:00:53 but printed media, you don't do that, plus we'er really handing them out at events with the sleeves on them 02:00:58 herlo, like the plastic hard-shell thin ones that you can slide a cover into? 02:01:11 fenris02, cardboard 02:01:14 herlo, but I use a sharpie to write on them to know what they are 02:01:21 threethirty: like if it is valueable? 02:01:22 fenris02: have you not seen the media? 02:01:29 herlo, nope. 02:01:42 rbergeron: tbh any data would be useful imho 02:01:51 anyone got a pic of the media?? 02:02:03 threethirty: ask the list, but my plate is full. 02:02:05 sounds like there is def interest here 02:02:10 I'll do some research 02:02:25 * inode0 thinks we are going to get the sort of sleeves we always do :) 02:02:25 Ok folks it's getting to be about that time. 02:02:29 honestly: I would imagine that asking a large vendor might do the most good - they may have those kind of statistics on hand to help a company decide what the best route is. 02:02:50 herlo, check the priceing 02:02:57 like some big vendor that sells dounle sided cd's :-) 02:03:07 VileGent: exactly 02:03:35 * herlo will do some research in a couple weeks, probably after UTOSC 02:03:38 then we will have to file a design ticket 02:03:42 so let's slate that for November 02:03:49 suggestion: if we can afford it switch to double-sided DVDs for F14 02:03:55 re-evaluate for F15 02:04:08 yeah, deciding in november is like... when F14 is out, i don't know how much lead time we need. 02:04:33 rbergeron: it's like when I will be placing the order 02:04:51 so I'll do the research prior to that and we can make the decision a the meeting before I order 02:05:00 incidentally, as an aside, I don't know how others who distributed media fare, but I always end up with a lot more install media left over when a new release comes out and little live cds. Just throwing that out there 02:05:08 unless it's supposed to be out Nov1, I thought it was mid-November now 02:05:25 whatever 2-3 weeks out is 02:05:26 possibly discussion for when f14 is actually pressed. 02:05:28 that's when I'll do it 02:06:12 Release is Nov. 2 02:06:24 instead of Oct. 26 02:06:57 lcafiero, I will take a little live cd.. any releases.. :-) 02:07:14 * lcafiero knew someone would pick up on that. sthistle gets the prize 02:07:15 herlo: find out when you can, and we'll go from there. 02:07:16 :) 02:07:24 indeed 02:07:26 * herlo is done 02:07:41 little = few, of course 02:08:02 Ok, other open floor items before I call the meeting? 02:08:06 yes 02:08:18 http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Blogs/Paw-Prints-Writings-of-the-maddog/Goodbye-Ubuntu-hello-Fedora 02:08:25 StabbyMc: we'll consider your propsal with a few grains of salt btw :) 02:08:26 lcafiero, i have 70 live, 20 each of dvds 02:08:41 Jon maddog Hall writes about installing FEL on his laptop 02:08:55 Nice! 02:09:00 VileGent: want me to send you more?? 02:09:22 I have about 10 live cds 02:09:35 herlo, wait until after utosc 02:09:59 hehe 02:10:20 we have an event in texas next week 02:10:50 rjbeatty, a new ambassador, is going to table at the Stephens County Fair in . . . Breckenridge, Texas 02:11:13 is rjbeatty here? 02:11:13 lcafiero: if only I was here another week :) 02:11:37 He is not, which is why I mention it. He is my manatee. 02:11:43 I am his mentor 02:11:57 does he need something that he doesn't have? 02:12:06 I am sending him a box of swag. 02:12:10 and media 02:12:21 but I'm pretty much tapped out in the media dept. after that. 02:12:37 StabbyMc: I think it was just an announcement that didn't make it to the beginning of the meeting :) 02:12:55 I have another one, if you can bear with me for a minute 02:13:08 lcafiero: you have one minute, GO! 02:13:16 lol 02:13:38 there;s a Grace Hopper Celebration around women in tech sometime at the end of the month in Atlanta 02:13:42 But in seriousness, it's been an hour and 15 minutes, after that it's time to wrap the meeting. 02:13:52 * ke4qqq notes StabbyMc lives in ATL 02:13:54 Stormy Peters asked me if I can send some media/swag for them, so I'm going to send them a bit 02:14:07 that's all from me. 02:14:10 * StabbyMc notes that he will be in Colorado that week. 02:14:21 ohhh well 02:14:22 * herlo notes that StabbyMc is in Austin this week 02:14:39 * lcafiero would love StabbyMc and herlo's frequent flier miles 02:15:02 except you don't fly 02:15:06 lcafiero: I'll happily trade FF miles for time a home with my wife and almost child. 02:15:15 oh, and StabbyMc -- I can't make Tuesdays on time until the farmers market ends around halloween, but I'd consider taking over proctoring the meetings 02:15:24 lcafiero, you can have mine... as long as I get paid to stay at home 02:15:30 which sounds painful, but still 02:15:40 I have rewards miles from amtrak, thank you. 02:15:48 k, back on topic 02:15:59 anything else? 02:16:00 is the minute up? 02:16:05 it is. 02:16:09 * herlo wants to talk with his sig0 02:16:11 Last call for open floor. 02:16:32 3 02:16:49 2 02:16:59 1 02:17:00 wait. 02:17:02 just kidding 02:17:03 #endmeeting