03:09:09 #startmeeting Fedora Ambassadors Meeting Minutes 2010-10-17 - APAC 03:09:09 Meeting started Sun Oct 17 03:09:09 2010 UTC. The chair is dramsey. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 03:09:09 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 03:09:19 hi luke, david 03:09:23 #chair dramsey 03:09:23 Current chairs: dramsey 03:09:28 .fas dramsey 03:09:31 .fas asmartgoat 03:09:34 .fas azneita 03:09:35 Hello azneita 03:09:37 dramsey: dramsey 'David Ramsey' 03:09:41 asmartgoat: 'asmartgoat' Not Found! 03:09:44 what 03:09:44 azneita: azneita 'Heherson Pagcaliwagan' 03:09:55 oh well 03:09:58 'asmartgoat' Not Found! :) 03:10:02 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2010-10-17#Agenda 03:10:13 * asmartgoat thinks he exists 03:10:15 try .fas asmartgoat 03:10:21 .fas asmartgoat 03:10:21 dramsey: 'asmartgoat' Not Found! 03:10:22 .fas asmartgoat 03:10:25 asmartgoat: 'asmartgoat' Not Found! 03:10:41 Oh well... 03:10:43 dont worry 03:11:02 Welcome to APAC!!! 03:11:10 it's probably something with his group memberships 03:11:18 true 03:11:20 it's ok 03:11:26 :) 03:11:26 I am David from Tokyo and I use both Fedora 13 with DVD and USB. 03:11:58 I think our ideas for needs like Fedora 14 as well as budget ideas to give for APAC will be useful today. 03:12:01 I am Tuan from Vietnam 03:12:10 I am Luke from Melbourne australia I use fedora 13 from a CD, and i'm currently getting mentored by azneita 03:12:16 just upgraded to F14 Beta 03:12:27 #topic Ambassadors Members Pinging 03:12:29 herson from the philippines and i'm luke's old mentor 03:12:43 Cool!!! 03:12:51 hehe 03:13:01 he's joining us today to learn the ropes 03:13:08 Great! 03:13:13 cool 03:13:23 i've read some of the last few meetings so i know how it works. :) 03:13:44 and he's doing his homework too :) good job luke 03:13:48 +1 03:13:53 it makes my job easier :) 03:13:55 thanks 03:14:02 ;) 03:14:05 #topic News from FAmSCo (will skip this topic, if no FAmSCo information / representation is at meeting.) 03:14:30 I read some things from Max on budget, do we have needs for our upcoming events? 03:14:41 Swag... 03:14:46 some for me 03:14:51 Go for it 03:15:33 I requested budget to fly to Ho Chi Minh city to hold the first Fedora 14 Release Party there 03:15:46 we're working on an f14 release party and i need swag to give out to attendees 03:15:51 +1 03:15:54 +1 03:16:13 May be we discuss upcoming APAC events sound good? 03:16:22 #topic Report current status of upcoming APAC Fedora Events. Also, planning and preparation for future APAC Fedora 12 and Fedora 13 Release Events. 03:16:28 linux.conf.au 03:16:53 Also does everyone know that Harish has Fedora 13 Live Media with oo.o, virt, xournal, and a few more. for us? If we need ask Harish. 03:16:54 are you working on that luke? 03:16:57 its january 2011 im not sure theres a member in brisbane 03:17:07 im too far away 03:17:08 I will download the ISO file to burn LiveCD myself 03:17:18 There are definitely some Red Hat engineers at Brisbane, too. 03:17:33 that's true 03:17:53 #idea contact Red Hat engineers at Brisbane as idea. 03:18:10 +1 03:18:17 #link linux.conf.au 03:18:33 +1 03:18:58 Tuan, do you blank media? Azneita, DVD replicator? Asmartgoat, some swag, too? Other ideas? 03:19:21 I saw ideas on Fedora 14 posters and others. 03:19:48 .chair tuanta 03:19:55 .chair azneita 03:19:56 I can buy blank media in Vietnam 03:20:00 .chair asmartgoat 03:20:02 i'm working on squeezing in some technical sessions for the release party 03:20:17 Well, im up in the air until the start of next year, when im hopefully moving to Adelaide. 03:20:18 things like remixing, git, etc. 03:20:18 I requested budget for that 03:20:23 May be ask for budget for media, what do you think Tuan? 03:20:28 +1 Tuan! 03:20:38 +1 asmartgoat and azneita 03:21:02 fedora has no presence in adelaide, so i hope to make one 03:21:10 Do we have any other needs? Like labels or other SWAG with funds? 03:21:18 +1 adelaide representation 03:21:57 I've been researching and there are no installfests been held (soon) in Adelaide. So i hope to change that. :) 03:22:23 And only LUG's in the south, while i'll be in the north about a 2hr drive away. 03:22:32 from the nearest lug 03:22:33 Ask for support and budget, I think this is our chance to do. 03:22:54 we'll put forward some requests david 03:23:06 +1 03:23:28 are we working on a tight schedule for budget requests? 03:23:33 Other events, I am doing my biweekly Akibahara Fedora 13 03:23:33 #topic Plans on APAC that need coordination/organization for example, FreeMedia and/or other things needed. 03:23:39 True on tight schedule 03:23:53 like how tight? end of oct? 03:23:55 I think is our chance to try. Also, prepare for Fedora 14 03:24:10 +1 03:24:22 I don't know but I am sure Susmit will review our logs and provide information. 03:24:34 ah ok 03:24:44 #action APAC Budget Deadline, clarity for Fedora Ambassadors 03:26:06 by the way david, i'll put forward a request for budget before the event so i'll have enough room to manouver 03:26:13 +1 03:26:29 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F14_release_events 03:27:13 it will appear on the famsco trac within the week 03:27:15 azneita, I added your Fedora 14 event copied from the events content here. 03:27:19 Great!!! 03:27:59 thanks david, i forgot about that 03:28:29 We help each here at APAC! I like everyone's ideas 03:28:39 Let us all make push for budget and swag requests 03:29:07 we need an event box. :D 03:29:32 for those big conferences and meetings 03:29:41 i'm also thinking along the same line but it will be a per country thing 03:29:46 +1 David 03:29:52 #idea APAC Event Box! 03:29:54 :D 03:29:55 we have a semblance of one for the philippines 03:30:03 +1 :) 03:30:12 1 03:30:15 +1 03:30:18 +1 03:30:19 with banners and stuff 03:30:30 i dont think im allowed to +1 my ideas. :P 03:30:31 Did someone get the Fedora Banners? 03:30:46 no :( 03:30:50 +1 for +2 03:30:51 :) 03:30:55 we made some last year and just reused them 03:31:05 I also need some banners and panos for the next Release party 03:31:19 but I have not got any ideas now 03:31:35 Those are great ideas, Tuan! 03:31:45 Needs help make ideas. 03:31:46 tuanta, your best bet is fedora design 03:31:56 mizmo helped us with ours last year 03:32:06 May be labels, too? 03:32:39 i loved the dice-look-alike thing with command line cheats 03:33:13 I found some designs for posters here: #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/MarketingCollateral#General_Purpose_Re-usable_Fedora_Poster_Designs 03:33:39 those are the Freedom, infinity, voice one 03:33:43 s* 03:33:44 but not for big pano: 0.5m x 3m 03:34:16 I need one to hang above the University gate 03:34:17 +1 03:34:23 hmm how about we ask the design team for some SVG's of freedom, friends, features first 03:34:33 Cool! 03:34:40 #idea ask the design team for poster designs for the 4 F's 03:34:57 this one is for 4F's: #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Freedom1_2.png 03:34:59 http://ph.fedoracommunity.org/album.php?entry=20091002124644&show=107.jpg 03:35:31 but one on each 03:35:58 These are great ideas and information! 03:36:21 so one saying First and under it it will say " fedora always strives to be first on the technology field. We lead, we dont follow etc.) 03:36:34 something like that 03:36:54 Ask and we will receive. 03:36:55 do you think I can request the Fedora design team for a 0.5x3m pano? 03:37:13 you can open a ticket for one tuanta 03:37:19 True, ask. 03:37:25 Let us try 03:37:29 on what Trac? 03:38:01 https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ 03:38:30 great, thanks! 03:38:34 +1 03:38:48 #link https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ 03:39:19 Also, remember our resources link, too 03:39:19 #idea Fedora Ambassadors APAC Request Tracker https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ This trac instance is here to help the Fedora Ambassadors from APAC make requests for resources they might need. 03:39:25 I will submit a ticket after the meeting :) 03:39:30 +1 03:40:28 Everyone, I use USB and DVD x86_64, do you need media, too? 03:41:21 David, do you install Fedora onto your hard disk? 03:41:26 Yup. 03:41:30 :) 03:41:37 why you still need USB? 03:41:37 I am like you, I have Fedora 14 Beta, too 03:41:42 i would like some for some friends. but im not allowed yet. :) 03:41:55 I do sort of update people's USB with Fedora 13 03:42:15 ah, understood 03:42:17 Future idea asmartgoat, now may be good/great time to plan. 03:42:42 let's get you approved asap :) 03:42:48 :) 03:42:50 +1 03:43:10 Other ideas or next topic on action items? 03:44:12 so our action items are the event box and posters 03:44:51 what will be our strategy for event box... 03:45:13 Good question. 03:45:15 hmm 03:45:18 hmm 03:45:21 my vote is for each country to accumulate the needed items 03:45:51 Use example from other countries like North America's as well as what we believe is useful 03:46:04 yes 03:46:08 or to have 2 of everything in circulation and a tracking web-app that we can use to request it from others 03:46:19 more of a "cloud"-box 03:46:29 i'm worried about the shipping fees 03:46:39 between countries, i mean 03:46:47 True. 03:46:51 +1 03:46:56 +1 03:47:04 hmmm 03:47:07 within the country, it's probably feasible 03:47:10 I think between our four countries many activities. 03:47:13 True 03:47:15 +1 03:47:38 so let's say an event is being held in the philippines, we'll use ours 03:47:56 if i go to vietnam, we'll use tuan's 03:47:58 #action Inquire on event box for Australia, Philipines and Vietnam. 03:47:59 ship the small expensive things beetween countrys but the rest should be made one for each country? 03:48:33 say if apac get an XO, that wouldnt cost too much to ship around for big events 03:48:39 I remember some things not easy to ship to Tuan's country like media 03:48:52 hmmm 03:49:11 it's easy to bring here by hand 03:49:22 fund a DVD printer thing for tuanta? 03:49:22 it's great if someone can go here 03:49:23 These are great ideas. 03:49:39 replicator? 03:49:57 just a printer that can print on DVD's 03:50:02 let's just get multiple XOs :) 03:50:07 +1 03:50:14 What is XO? 03:50:17 I remember a request for azneita on such a DVD replicator, may be Tuan, too? 03:50:18 :) 03:50:18 +1 to XO's 03:50:26 OLPC 03:50:35 Ah! 03:50:37 Got it! 03:50:43 :) 03:50:53 i remember when harish shipped some liveCDs to me 03:51:08 he paid $1 for every livecd for shipping 03:51:15 There is that updated Sugar Spin coming out in Fedora 14 as well as other good stuff. 03:51:17 that's $100 03:51:22 Ah! 03:51:28 thats quite a bit 03:51:36 Adds up... 03:51:43 100 media 03:51:58 so that's why i'm worried about shipping 03:52:07 +1 03:52:10 +1 03:52:22 see $100 (i believe we are talking about usd) can be used to buy a printer for CD's. so how about we do media creation as localy as possible. 03:52:26 Give you guys the tools to make your own? 03:52:31 yes 03:52:38 +1 03:52:50 +1 03:52:53 true 03:52:58 that's cool 03:53:19 These are very true ideas. 03:53:23 it costs me 60c to ship a cd/dvd tho 03:53:30 around australia 03:53:50 aud and usd are the same at the moment, so i dont have to specify. 03:54:01 we're an archipelago, so our costs are a little bit higher 03:54:31 we ship at >$2 03:54:55 Wow! 03:55:14 =-O 03:55:25 :-$ 03:56:03 depends on which group of islands you want is shipped 03:56:08 Ah... 03:56:27 understood 03:56:37 you could ship with you when your getting sponsored to go somewhere 03:56:44 yes 03:56:53 stretch the budget 03:57:07 +1 03:58:05 that's why planning is so important - you identify where you can stretch and where you pay up :) 03:58:14 Great! 03:58:45 so, any other ideas? 03:58:48 Let us try for ideas and support. 03:58:54 Should we try next topic review action items? 03:59:07 And/or open floor? 03:59:10 Good question. 03:59:47 * azneita thinks of something 04:00:01 Go for it 04:00:15 luke can spearhead the events box campaign strategy for apac 04:00:34 im not in one place until next year tho. 04:00:46 +1 04:00:58 just basic outline of a strategy and let's have the community have a go at it 04:01:09 open source at its best 04:01:19 :) 04:01:42 let's have it in the wiki 04:01:43 someone get an XO shipped to the APAC region for events 04:01:44 #idea basic outline of a strategy for event box campaign strategy for apac 04:01:54 +1 04:03:25 then we'll refine the strategy along the way 04:03:33 Great plan! 04:04:14 * asmartgoat wants to ask a question 04:04:26 you have the floor 04:04:47 Other ideas or next topic? 04:04:48 do we get funding to pay for the stuff or do we get reimbursed after we purchase whatever fedora-related goods 04:05:03 i've personally done both already 04:05:12 me too 04:05:14 i just have to ask 04:05:26 Good question. 04:05:41 +1 04:05:45 yes, we should submit a request before to get confirmation 04:06:42 hmm... 04:07:01 oh, never mind 04:07:57 I think reimbursed afterwards 04:08:13 Ask for need, I think is best 04:08:24 you have to build up on reimbursement first before asking for pre-payment 04:08:36 and always present receipts 04:08:43 yes 04:08:45 yes 04:08:50 and a detailed justification for the expense 04:08:51 ah alright 04:08:57 something like that 04:09:15 its just because of my age, it makes it harder to get monies 04:09:27 14 is old :) 04:09:32 but i have monies at the moment so its all good 04:09:33 :) 04:10:26 * azneita slaps forehead 04:10:26 is it open floor? 04:10:34 #topic Review last meeting for items - actions and ideas 04:10:38 #topic Open floor 04:10:56 if you can't receive money through usual channels, paypal, bank 04:11:05 +1 04:11:07 we'll try to ship materials to you 04:11:12 :) 04:11:28 or have people down under help you 04:11:33 :) 04:12:02 did i get your concern? 04:12:50 Ok, now there is a store in adelaide called "sailsbury linux computers" (self explanatory) i wonder if its possible to get them to switch to recommending fedora. 04:13:20 Envision Fedora...Picture Fedora 04:13:29 i only know their address and phone number, so i'll have to wait until im in adelaide for that so 04:13:31 Share the idea and plant the seed of idea... 04:13:38 depends on you're sweet talk :) 04:13:43 hahaha 04:13:48 O:-) 04:13:53 #idea talk to "sailsbury linux computers" about fedora. and their recommendations. xD 04:14:34 i'm thinking of not "switching" but presnting an alternative 04:15:02 #link http://www.yellowpages.com.au/sa/salisbury/salisbury-linux-computers-12685976-listing.html 04:15:09 :) 04:15:33 i spelt it wrong 04:15:53 may be a letter to 14 Ann St 04:15:54 SALISBURY 04:15:54 SA, 5108 ADELAIDE 04:16:17 alright 04:17:13 +1 04:17:16 i'll do the letter 04:17:18 #action Write a letter to "14 Ann St Salisbury SA 5108 Adelaide" talking about fedora 04:18:06 any one else have any ideas? 04:18:32 Best to you all for your Fedora Events. Remember Fedora 14 for November and future as well as Fedora 13 now. 04:18:33 :) 04:18:58 you too 04:19:06 +1 04:19:13 Thank you all for attending 04:19:18 thanks 04:19:20 Should we end or other ideas? 04:19:26 Have a great day 04:19:29 anyone have anything to add? 04:19:37 thanks david fo chairing 04:19:37 nothing here 04:19:41 Thank you all for attending 04:19:46 8-) 04:19:48 good day tuan 04:19:51 5 04:19:53 4 04:19:55 cya everyone 04:19:55 3 04:19:57 2 04:19:58 1 04:20:00 0.5 04:20:01 * asmartgoat ninjakicks 04:20:06 hahaha 04:20:09 0 04:20:10 #endmeeting