01:00:06 #startmeeting 01:00:06 Meeting started Wed Oct 20 01:00:06 2010 UTC. The chair is StabbyMc. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 01:00:06 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 01:00:09 #topic Fedora NA Ambassadors - Announcements 01:00:25 Announce 'em if you got 'em 01:01:16 In a bloodless coup, I'm taking over chairing the meeting from StabbyMc :-) 01:01:25 starting with the Nov. 2 meeting 01:01:32 Indeed. 01:01:37 well, there ya go 01:01:38 you have all been warned 01:01:55 :) 01:02:07 Other announcements? 01:02:19 * StabbyMc looks at the agenda and it looks like it may be a short meeting. 01:02:22 the world is still here 01:02:27 that is all 01:02:37 3 01:02:42 Sorry I'm late. 01:02:44 2 01:02:44 Wait. 01:03:07 lcafiero, you will be on time??? 01:03:12 MarkDude isn't here, but he's having a big to do for F14 next month in the East SF Bay that's turning out to be a big event. 01:03:23 VileGent: yes, the farmers market is over after next Tuesday. 01:04:02 ooh, so for 6 months or so lcafiero ?? 01:04:21 6 months!?! hey, wait . . . 01:04:24 lol 01:04:24 * lcafiero kids 01:04:35 have I missed anything? 01:04:40 or longer, if you can put up with me. 01:04:46 not really 01:04:46 let's start over 01:05:09 #topic Fedora NA Ambassadors - Events 01:05:18 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents 01:05:52 Anyone doing an event that needs things that doesn't have things? 01:06:04 i will ahve after tomorrow 01:06:08 have 01:06:10 Mine should be on the way. 01:06:27 * inode0 does but asked FAmSCo to pay for it :) 01:06:31 * rbergeron notes that Linux Plumbers Conference is in like 2 weeks; nobody is going? 01:06:44 ooh, I always want to go 01:06:49 lol 01:06:53 rbergeron: I think a few RHers are probably going... 01:06:55 Um, not that I'm aware of. 01:06:59 Who's in the area? 01:07:01 yeah, my sig0 is going 01:07:05 well, it's in boston 01:07:12 It's not in portland? 01:07:16 rbergeron: if only I was here in two weeks 01:07:19 which is why I was kind of wondering if any fedora / rh folks are going 01:07:24 lcafiero: no, it's in boston ;) 01:07:42 * herlo will be in SLC in two weeks 01:07:46 ! VTLUUG installfest we saw about 50 people, answered some questions and they did about 10 installs 01:08:03 VileGent: nice 01:08:16 * herlo wants to talk about media for 2 clicks of a second 01:08:21 whenever we're ready for me 01:08:36 VileGent: 10 installs? good show. 01:08:40 herlo: hold that until the next topic please. 01:08:40 indeed 01:08:57 MarkDude's event is not up yet on the wiki, so I won't bring it up. 01:09:12 Rising star is this weekend and i will see if i can drum up so more foss support 01:09:20 * lcafiero prepares a good scolding for his manatee 01:09:31 StabbyMc: can do 01:09:34 Rising Star? 01:09:57 on the event list 01:10:05 rising-star.org 01:10:32 found it. didn't see it because I was looking at the wrong quarter 01:12:55 Any other events stuff? 01:13:15 next topic 01:13:22 #topic Fedora NA Ambassadors - Budget 01:13:43 I don't think there's much in the Budget item per se. 01:13:48 So how about we start a sub-topic. 01:13:56 #topic Fedora NA Ambassadors - Media/SWAG/Stuff Inventor 01:14:13 * herlo guesses that it's meant for him...? 01:14:18 herlo, have at it. 01:14:20 and I'm off 01:14:44 Just a quick heads up. I'll be starting the process of ordering media this week and next 01:15:06 need to get with design team on sleeve design and then it should be just a matter of ordering what we got last time. Seemed to work well 01:15:31 if you have an event for Q4 or Q1 (iirc), get it on the docket so I can order properly 01:16:20 I will be askign about dual-sided DVDs, but I suspect the time involved may have me defer to F15 unless someone else wants to pursue that task and get pricing from ams or other media vendors 01:16:23 +1 01:16:25 that is me.... 01:16:30 I'm done 01:16:33 cooked 01:16:34 baked 01:16:43 stick a fork in him? 01:16:46 finished and hopefully not too edible 01:16:50 :) 01:16:51 heh 01:16:55 herlo, myself i dont want to do dual dvd 01:17:00 VileGent: I know 01:17:17 but enough people have asked that I figure it is worth asking about... 01:17:22 could be nothing more atm 01:17:34 i'd like to see how the europeans fare with it first 01:17:59 isn't EMEA doing the dual-sided DVD for F14? 01:18:07 * nb likes the idea of dual-sided dvds but doesn't know it'd be worth it because a lot of people won't need both arches 01:18:07 I don't see any reason not to but don't think we can plan to until F15 at the earliest 01:18:12 but it'd be worth getting prices 01:18:31 they are dual layer, not dual sided 01:18:54 oh. 01:18:55 lcafiero, i think the livecd isos on dvd would be better IMHO 01:19:07 that is what this is 01:19:10 I like VileGent's idea. 01:19:22 can't all of them fit? live and installs? 01:19:29 no 01:19:33 no, it is just live cds 01:20:13 were the install versions going to be 32- and 64-bit on the same? 01:20:14 easy to put the desktop and kde both arches on a dvd 01:20:42 desktop/kde/lxde/xfce/moblin both arches on one dual layer dvd 01:20:51 for live media 01:21:01 if I may ask, why aren't there official media of XFCE and LXDE? Not enough of a userbase? 01:21:03 when you come to a conclusion, let me know 01:21:10 * herlo actually has no preference 01:21:19 herlo: what they are making now in EMEA is live media 01:21:26 what do you mean by "official media"? 01:21:35 but I don't see how it can get into the mix for F14 01:21:36 "not spins" 01:21:48 spins are official 01:22:05 okay, one that you don't have to go to spins.fedoraproject.org to obtain. 01:22:21 didn't mean to get bogged down in details. i was just curious. is this been the content of the email floating around for the past couple of weeks? 01:22:28 well, that is where the official spins live 01:22:49 KDE spin is available on the main site, though. 01:23:08 politics 01:23:15 ah. 01:23:17 outside our realm 01:23:19 good enough for me. 01:24:01 * nb likes the idea of what emea is doing but wishes the board would let them call desktop "gnome" 01:24:03 since that's what it is 01:24:18 ditto 01:24:52 likewise. 01:24:58 inode0: understood 01:25:07 but I don't know that we ahve to follow suit per se 01:25:41 nope, but when it is official media I think we should seriously consider pressing it - that is all 01:26:12 +1 01:26:15 inode0: no, I was responding to the EMEA is doing live thing 01:26:22 but I'm easy going 01:26:43 yeah, this is serious media for giving different things a test drive 01:26:56 without making a mess 01:27:54 would this be a good time to bring up inventory? 01:28:05 I'd really love to distribute that. Wouldn't have to say "I use this one, but give all these others a shot". 01:28:20 if the thing we can't call the GNOME spin is larger than a CD for F15 I see no reason not to go hog wild with options :) 01:28:43 maybe not 01:36:54 * inode0 seconds moving on to inventory 01:36:54 that is important 01:36:54 so to nb, VileGent, herlo -- is there anyone else who distributes media/swag? StabbyMc? 01:36:54 ke4qqq? 01:36:54 brian does 01:36:54 oh right, brian's in the northeast 01:36:54 figure he is short on everything :) 01:36:54 right, I agendized the inventory just to get a sense of who has what and who needs what. 01:36:54 I've got shirts, pens, balloons, statics, but no stickers and no media 01:36:54 from now on stickers means 3" logo stickers, right? 01:36:54 right, the f stickers 01:36:54 oh, and no buttons 01:36:54 * inode0 would request resupplies of laptop stickers and case badges with some excess for a side project so some are on hand 01:36:54 actually, that would be a good idea. 01:36:55 didn't brian order those originally? 01:36:55 rrix: has the buttons ready to order I believe, we just need to badger him until he pulls the trigger 01:36:55 * lcafiero will make him pull the trigger if he wants to see his stuff for his event. bwahahahaha 01:37:07 oops 01:37:13 * nb wonders if it got quiet or if it's just him 01:37:26 looks like a split 01:37:32 oh 01:37:35 StabbyMc did the laptop stickers, I think spevack knows how to reorder case badges 01:37:36 indeed. 01:37:44 Ah, OK. 01:37:49 I did the laptop stickers and pens. 01:37:56 * nb has shirts, pens, balloons, statics 01:38:00 almost no laptop stickers 01:38:24 * nb has some case badges, but not a really large quantity 01:38:27 I think the GNOmE/DESKTOP discussion could be taken offline, no? 01:38:27 * herlo is only talking about what is happening for F14 media 01:38:27 in NA 01:38:27 bueller? 01:38:27 bueller? 01:38:27 bueller? 01:38:27 seriously, is anyone here?? 01:38:27 StabbyMc: ?? 01:38:27 * herlo feels lonely 01:38:27 im here 01:38:28 oh good 01:38:28 having a collection of all the lives on a single disc would be great. i think having at least the 32- and 64-bit installs on a disc too would be good. separate discs. 01:38:28 maybe 100 or 2? 01:38:36 Would we still need a separate DVD for the 32-bit lives and 64-bit lives? 01:39:00 i would think you could stick all five lives for both bits on a single dual-layer dvd. 01:39:01 fail 01:39:01 * rbergero kicks the lagbot 01:39:02 ok my computer is having issues 01:39:02 did i miss anything? 01:39:02 last you saw? 01:39:03 about the media 01:39:03 <inode0> [21:28:17] if the thing we can't call the GNOME spin is larger than a CD for F15 I see no reason not to go hog wild with options :) 01:39:03 <lcafiero> [21:28:41] maybe not 01:39:05 PM 01:39:05 Is everyone back from the split? 01:39:26 i'm here - seems like I never left 01:39:27 the crap? 01:39:27 wow, lag comin on back 01:39:30 fun! 01:39:31 or I've been talking to myself 01:39:32 i think freenode broke for a bit 01:39:35 wow 01:39:39 i'm here. 01:39:42 if you can see me that is ;) 01:39:42 wow lag 01:39:46 me and Ender2070 had a friendly 'bueller' convo 01:39:49 we can see you, rbergeron 01:39:52 i'm here 01:39:52 hmm 01:39:52 whoa 01:39:52 ok now nb is semi-back, strange 01:40:03 * mock scrolls back... 01:40:07 freenode is having issues. 01:40:21 clearly :) 01:40:25 we can discuss inventory on list if need be 01:40:27 ok, let's go, everything is normal :) 01:40:38 plus i think /me is getting more shirts, i think inode0 said he got some he was going to send me that got sent to him instead 01:40:39 move along, nothing to see here. 01:40:43 Ok, so we were talking about Swat and inventories. 01:40:51 swag even. 01:40:52 right 01:40:56 my inventory is very low 01:41:12 SG_Logger: you're not a regional shipping ambassador, right? 01:41:15 we're talking about those who distribute the swag, SG_Logger 01:41:15 * inode0 wonders who is SG_Logger 01:41:20 yes i am 01:41:20 * NiveusLuna has no inventory yet. What he requested should be on its way, though. 01:41:27 oh. 01:41:35 haha 01:41:38 heh 01:41:39 Ah. 01:41:44 nvm then. 01:41:53 oh for the love of . . . 01:42:08 ok, i think we are all back now 01:42:10 * inode0 suggests we figure out what it will cost to buy everything 01:42:18 Ok, so what items are we talking about needing replenishment 01:42:20 ? 01:42:23 laptop stickers 01:42:25 stickers 01:42:26 and if you say all of them, someone will die. 01:42:32 heh 01:42:45 buttons 01:42:53 we don't need tattoos 01:42:58 everything else 01:43:01 Oh, I'm OK with tattoos 01:43:03 no more tattoos 01:43:06 * nb has lots of tattoos 01:43:11 me too 01:43:11 pens? 01:43:18 * herlo needs some soon 01:43:21 I'm good with pens. anyone else? 01:43:34 * lcafiero is afraid we may have wiped herlo out at UTOSC 01:43:37 I think if there are any big ticket ites we want for next year in the budget, now is a good time to start thinking about it. 01:43:44 no rush...I'll be okay for a few weeks 01:43:57 herlo: on pens? 01:44:01 i have 100 pens, 100 voice stickers, and about 30 case badges, and 50 balloons 01:44:04 right. We should start discussing that on list 01:44:12 * rbergeron nods 01:44:12 yup. 01:44:15 StabbyMc: yup 01:44:23 inode0: click, boom, pulling the trigger now 01:44:25 What about case badges? 01:44:47 * herlo is not sure on case badges 01:44:47 thats 30 case badges not 20 strips 01:44:49 inode0, you have shirts for me, right? I think? 01:44:51 I don't know how everyone else is, but I'm running short 01:44:58 nb: yes 01:45:10 have enough -- I'm very frugal with them -- but would like some more for the event box 01:45:13 and about 100 statics 01:45:18 we just bought shirts and can't need more of them now 01:45:18 * nb has maybe 20 strips of case badges 01:45:27 shirts are good. 01:45:35 I have a full box 01:45:57 Ok, to recap. 01:46:00 yeah, i have a good amount of them still, plus ones coming from inode0 01:46:15 Needs: Stickers, pens, case badges, buttons 01:46:26 yes 01:46:29 more balloons or not? 01:46:34 buttons are taken care of if I understood rrix 01:46:37 and mini stickers 01:46:38 OK on : Tees, tats, statics, balloons 01:46:40 * herlo likes balloons 01:46:48 yes. 01:47:03 * lcafiero will confer with rrix about buttons 01:47:06 inode0: they will be momentarily, yes 01:47:18 close enough 01:47:20 dang, I'm good 01:48:15 mini-stickers - are you talking about the keyboard sticker? 01:48:17 Ok, for those items marked as "need", would we prefer to swap for something else instead of doing replenishment? 01:48:31 lcafiero: yes, that is what is meant by mini-sticker. 01:48:36 ah 01:48:45 we likely will need laptop stickers and case badges 01:48:46 like lanyards, maybe? 01:49:00 oh, lanyards for FUDCon are here 01:49:06 lanyards for FUDCON!! w00t! 01:49:11 * rrix notes that the lanywards are waesum 01:49:11 awesum 01:49:13 everyone will get some 01:49:16 lanyards are likely a budget buster compared to the other items. 01:49:23 well, for some definition of everyone 01:49:26 on lanyards -- jsmith wore one at UTOSC and about 50 people came to the booth asking where they could get one. 01:49:42 inode0, so some are going to be sent to the regional shipping people? 01:49:45 I'd like one, myself. 01:49:46 or all are giving out at fudcon? 01:49:54 these aren't gonna be booth swag I don't think 01:49:59 pity 01:50:34 OK then 01:50:43 you can do what you want with yours but I'd like to see everyone behind the booth with one rather than people on the other side of it 01:50:53 yeah 01:50:55 i wear my ISU lanyard 01:51:26 nb: yes, everyone above meant regional distributors 01:51:36 We're veering off topic. 01:51:48 so they are intended for sending out to people that own events for them to wear at the events 01:51:49 right? 01:51:58 we can perhaps get cheaper ones for booth swag in the future 01:52:19 well, at the moment, the lanyards are for those attending FUDCon, if I'm not mistaken 01:52:21 cats: I am hearding you. 01:52:29 OK 01:52:58 Is there something we'd like to work on in place of one of the items on the "needs" list in lieu of getting replenishment on it? 01:52:59 I guess my work is done here 01:54:33 indeed 01:54:50 allright. 01:55:07 Then I'll have to talk with speevak about budget to make sure we can accomodate all the replenishment + media. 01:55:08 So we can continue on list and in #fedora-ambassadors 01:55:59 continue this discussion, that is. 01:56:04 what's next? 01:56:11 #topic Fedoar NA Ambassadors - Unfinished Business/Open Floor 01:57:07 Any other items for discussion? 01:57:26 balloons cost us $250 for 1000 01:57:54 get more balloons, those are cheap and make people happy 01:58:26 take advantage of, I'm not usually this loose with money :) 01:58:37 another 1000 or more 01:58:55 can we get blue ones with white printing? 01:59:04 or just white with blue 01:59:35 if you want to go thru getting the graphics redone 02:00:24 ah 02:00:29 * rbergeron checks her copious spare time 02:00:32 never mind ;) 02:00:35 heh 02:00:47 https://fedorahosted.org/famnarequests/ticket/122 02:01:01 Ok, it's time to call the meeting. 02:01:14 The balloons are nice. I admit to being skeptical at first, but I like them now. 02:01:18 yay 02:01:21 Any last minute stuff? 02:01:24 i'm apparently not awesome enough to view tickets :( 02:01:35 or too awesome 02:01:42 3 02:01:47 2 02:01:52 1 02:01:54 #endmeeting