23:01:20 <Sparks> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
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23:01:20 <Sparks> #meetingname Fedora Docs
23:01:20 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_docs'
23:01:20 <Sparks> #topic Roll Call
23:01:28 * Sparks is here
23:01:33 * GadgetWisdomGuru is here
23:01:34 * bcotton_ is here
23:01:35 * laubersm is here
23:01:38 * jjmcd 
23:02:38 * sgordon is here
23:04:30 <Sparks> Looks like a good group of Fedorians so far...
23:04:30 <Sparks> Okay, let's get started.
23:04:46 * GadgetWisdomGuru puts on his straw Fedora
23:04:59 <Sparks> #topic Follow up on last week's action items
23:05:09 <Sparks> jjmcd to document the process of translating non-English source guides
23:05:18 <jjmcd> no progress
23:05:27 <Sparks> #action jjmcd to document the process of translating non-English source guides
23:05:41 <Sparks> And that's all for the old stuff...
23:05:56 <Sparks> #action Release Notes
23:05:58 * bethlynn is finally here
23:06:04 <Sparks> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Notes_schedule
23:06:06 <jjmcd> action?
23:06:08 * GadgetWisdomGuru welcomes Bethlynn
23:06:09 <Sparks> bethlynn: Welcome!
23:06:22 <jjmcd> howabout #topic?
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23:06:49 * nb is here
23:06:53 <Sparks> #topic Release Notes
23:06:57 <Sparks> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Notes_schedule
23:07:03 <jjmcd> That's better
23:07:07 <Sparks> jjmcd: Thanks...
23:07:07 <Sparks> :)
23:07:10 <Sparks> jjmcd: Where are we?
23:07:20 <jjmcd> RPM went out into the ether, I suspect it made it on to the CD
23:07:36 <jjmcd> But after it changes to "stable" what happens next is a mystery to me
23:07:43 <bethlynn> GA Announcement due today?!?
23:07:46 <jjmcd> Next thing is the 0 day TNs
23:07:57 <jjmcd> I think Marketing is doing that
23:08:10 <jjmcd> Date is interesting, tho.  That must be the start date
23:08:28 <jjmcd> Announcements are generally due at the last minute
23:08:36 <jjmcd> Which would be Halloween
23:08:47 <laubersm> or a schedule did not get updated with a slip from alpha/beta
23:09:03 <jjmcd> Could be
23:09:12 <bethlynn> rbergeron: are you here?
23:09:45 <jjmcd> In any case, the main focus now is 0-day.  Some translations have dribbled in but no xml changes since the rpm
23:10:11 <jjmcd> We did make some headway with bethlynn on documenting the beginnings of the process
23:10:27 <jjmcd> But we ran out of parallel time to get that all done
23:11:02 <jjmcd> Once again, L10N did an awesome job of getting a bunch of languages done
23:11:11 <jjmcd> Thats about it unless questions
23:11:13 <Sparks> So we can expect bethlynn to do the RNs next release?
23:11:22 <jjmcd> I hope so
23:11:56 <bethlynn> well, I can try
23:12:10 <Sparks> #info Release Notes were sent out for the RC
23:12:30 <Sparks> #info L10n continues to do an awesome job
23:12:40 <Sparks> Anyone have anything else?
23:13:12 <Sparks> Okay, moving on
23:13:16 <Sparks> #topic Guide Status
23:13:26 <Sparks> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_guide_goals_for_F14
23:13:44 <rbergeron> im here.
23:13:47 <rbergeron> whats up?
23:14:02 <Sparks> rbergeron: What's up with the Announcement?
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23:14:28 <Sparks> #topic Release Announcement
23:14:45 <rbergeron> um, well, it's on my plate after i finish one pg release notes tonight
23:15:02 <Sparks> Do you know when it is due?
23:15:03 <rbergeron> so id expect i can hack it out this weekend
23:15:35 <Sparks> Okay.  Do you need any assistance?
23:15:35 <rbergeron> i would expect a few days before release
23:15:53 <rbergeron> unless it n eeds translation
23:16:07 <rbergeron> sparks: i would <3 help.
23:16:10 * Sparks thinks laubersm would be a good editor to point in rbergeron's direction
23:17:03 * laubersm has time constraints and has not finished the UG yet
23:17:08 <laubersm> which was due Mon
23:17:10 <rbergeron> bethlynn, thanks for framing it out on the wiki
23:17:13 <Sparks> :(
23:18:22 <Sparks> rbergeron: Well we have others (like bcotton_ and GadgetWisdomGuru)
23:18:30 <Sparks> rbergeron: And of course I'll be around
23:18:44 <GadgetWisdomGuru> I'm ready to try and take on new things.
23:18:49 <GadgetWisdomGuru> My last thing was very little.
23:18:55 <rbergeron> okee dokee: well any help big or small is appreciated
23:19:14 * rbergeron is grocery shopping
23:19:22 * laubersm will watch for a note to the list with a link to review early in the week
23:19:35 * laubersm makes no promises though
23:19:40 * GadgetWisdomGuru is impressed Rbergeron showed up for a Doc meeting at the market
23:19:47 <Sparks> rbergeron: Can you pick up a few items for me?
23:19:58 <Sparks> GadgetWisdomGuru: rbergeron is a very amazing woman.
23:20:04 * laubersm been there, done that
23:20:11 <laubersm> ;)
23:20:20 <GadgetWisdomGuru> I like to surround myself with amazing people
23:20:37 <bethlynn> rbergeron: if you want my help improving/documenting a process in the marketing team, please let me know
23:20:53 <laubersm> GadgetWisdomGuru, you came to the right place - plenty of those around here
23:21:20 <GadgetWisdomGuru> Laubersm, yes.
23:21:36 <Sparks> #action GadgetWisdomGuru to assist rbergeron with the Release Announcement
23:21:42 <rbergeron> :)
23:21:45 <rbergeron> thanks
23:22:12 <GadgetWisdomGuru> How do I assist?
23:22:14 <rbergeron> sparks, can you action me to send out some info on it :)
23:22:31 * rbergeron doesnt have links with her stew meat :)
23:22:48 <Sparks> #action rbergeron to work with GadgetWisdomGuru on the Release Announcement
23:23:20 <Sparks> #info the Release Announcement is a fun announcement that we use for the general release
23:23:27 <GadgetWisdomGuru> I can be fun
23:23:48 <Sparks> :)
23:24:06 <Sparks> GadgetWisdomGuru: They usually are fun and not real informative except for links to go get it.
23:24:32 <GadgetWisdomGuru> Okay. I'll assist/work with as best possible.
23:24:58 <rbergeron> well, i think the last one was less fun and more informative
23:25:01 <GadgetWisdomGuru> Rbergeron, if you could contact me for a discussion of that, I would appreciate it.
23:25:01 <Sparks> GadgetWisdomGuru: You should be able to find old ones on the wiki
23:25:07 <Sparks> rbergeron: Yeah
23:25:23 <rbergeron> but im happy to revert back a bit to more fun :)
23:25:25 <Sparks> rbergeron: I couldn't be funny
23:25:33 <GadgetWisdomGuru> I can be funny. But not always on demand
23:25:50 <Sparks> heh
23:25:53 <jjmcd> I think more creative than actually funny
23:25:57 <rbergeron> anyway :)
23:26:04 <rbergeron> i must feed ppl; bye :)
23:26:07 <jjmcd> But fun to do (if you have more imagination than me)
23:26:15 <Sparks> rbergeron: Thanks!
23:26:22 * rbergeron will catch up with gadgetwisdomguru later
23:26:36 <rbergeron> sparks: no, thank you for recruiting some help :)
23:26:39 <Sparks> Awesome
23:26:45 <Sparks> rbergeron: I do what I can when I can
23:27:04 <Sparks> Okay, let's get back to the guides
23:27:21 <Sparks> #topic Guide Status
23:27:26 <laubersm> User Guide
23:27:28 <Sparks> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_guide_goals_for_F14
23:27:32 <Sparks> laubersm: Go ahead
23:27:45 <laubersm> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Laubersm/Documentation_User_Guide_Update_Checklist#F14_Status_table
23:27:59 <laubersm> I made a good start on Friday but haven't gotten back to it.
23:28:10 <laubersm> Should be easy this round - mostly I am just fact checking
23:28:27 <laubersm> does everything mentioned still exist, area the links good, any glaring changes, etc.
23:28:39 <laubersm> It should have been pushed already but well...
23:28:57 <laubersm> Help welcome... but I do have some more time this Fri (I think)
23:29:42 * laubersm is done
23:29:50 * Sparks wonders what bcotton_ is doing and if he can help laubersm
23:30:32 * bcotton_ can help some over the next few days. laubersm: catch me in -docs after the meeting
23:30:45 <laubersm> thanks bcotton_
23:31:12 * Sparks loves it when folks step up to help
23:32:26 <Sparks> #info The Security Guide, Readme-Burning-ISOs, Accessibility Guide, and Amateur Radio Guide have been uploaded to docs.fp.o
23:32:46 <GadgetWisdomGuru> Going to have to download them to my e-reader
23:35:26 <Sparks> #topic Outstanding BZ Tickets
23:35:34 <Sparks> #link http://tinyurl.com/lbrq84
23:35:58 <Sparks> #info 98 Active Bugs
23:36:30 <Sparks> #info 40 New Bugs
23:36:48 <Sparks> #action Open floor discussion
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23:37:02 <Sparks> #topic Open floor discussion
23:37:14 <Sparks> Okay...  anyone have anything?
23:37:35 <Sparks> Oh, I've got something
23:37:37 <GadgetWisdomGuru> I'm happy about OPDS.
23:37:45 <GadgetWisdomGuru> And trying to think of new ideas to leverage it
23:37:52 <Sparks> GadgetWisdomGuru: What is OPDS?
23:38:13 <GadgetWisdomGuru> It's something I got them to put into Publican. Open Publication Distribution Standard.
23:38:26 <GadgetWisdomGuru> Essentially, it is a way of browsing catalogs of e-books.
23:38:30 <GadgetWisdomGuru> The Fedora Docs site now supports it
23:38:36 <jjmcd> coolness
23:38:43 <Sparks> Awesome
23:39:16 <GadgetWisdomGuru> So you can plug in a URL into a supported e-reading program, browse and download your Fedora manuals in the program.
23:40:06 <Sparks> That's great.
23:40:09 <jjmcd> Is there an appropriate reader in Fedora?
23:40:15 <GadgetWisdomGuru> No
23:40:28 <GadgetWisdomGuru> FBReader is the closest, but it doesn't have the settings for Docs in it.
23:40:52 <GadgetWisdomGuru> I'm not sure if it is worth it to distribute a custom version of FBReader that has the configuration baked in
23:41:16 <jjmcd> But maybe an RPM to add the config?
23:41:55 <GadgetWisdomGuru> Yes, I was thinking of suggesting it. Then you can have the "Fedora library"
23:43:00 <Sparks> Sounds like a neat idea
23:43:53 <Sparks> GadgetWisdomGuru: Can you write up the idea and send it to the list?
23:44:02 <GadgetWisdomGuru> The Docs list?
23:44:08 <Sparks> Yes
23:44:10 <GadgetWisdomGuru> Ok
23:44:17 <GadgetWisdomGuru> Will do
23:45:01 <Sparks> Okay.
23:45:11 <Sparks> I started a blog for the Docs Project today.
23:45:17 <jjmcd> Sparks, #action?
23:45:18 <GadgetWisdomGuru> Very good.
23:45:18 <Sparks> I'
23:45:20 <GadgetWisdomGuru> What's the URL?
23:45:49 <Sparks> #action GadgetWisdomGuru to send a message to the Docs list regarding the "Fedora Library" and fixing FBReader
23:46:18 <Sparks> #link http://blogs.fedoraproject.org/wp/docsproject/
23:47:04 <sgordon> fwiw i think the blog is a neat idea
23:47:18 <Sparks> I want to use it for official broadcasts to the Fedora community
23:47:51 <Sparks> So if anyone wants to send something out get with me or jjmcd
23:48:24 <Sparks> Okay, anyone else?
23:48:29 * jjmcd has some thoughts on the docs menu.  Would like to talk through them, mostly with nb & Sparks but no reason others can't contribute.
23:48:32 <nb> oh nice we have a docs project blog now?
23:49:06 <Sparks> nb: You know me... point me to a tool and I'll make it make noise
23:49:15 <Sparks> jjmcd: Want to do that in -docs?
23:49:26 <jjmcd> Either way, no diff to me
23:49:36 <Sparks> Lets do it there
23:49:41 <jjmcd> R
23:49:43 <Sparks> Anyone else?
23:51:18 <bethlynn> blog link added to the communications section https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project
23:51:26 <Sparks> bethlynn: Thanks!
23:51:47 <Sparks> Well, if no one has anything else?
23:51:49 <Sparks> ...
23:51:59 <Sparks> Thanks everyone for coming out tonight!
23:52:10 <Sparks> Refreshments to be served in #fedora-docs as always
23:52:24 <Sparks> #endmeeting