20:01:36 <mmcgrath> #startmeeting infrastructure
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20:01:38 <mmcgrath> #chair smooge
20:01:38 <zodbot> Current chairs: mmcgrath smooge
20:01:47 <mmcgrath> #meetingname infrastructure
20:01:47 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure'
20:01:49 <mmcgrath> #topic Who's here?
20:01:54 * tremble lurks
20:01:59 <smooge> thank you mmcgrath
20:02:00 <smooge> I am here
20:02:08 * waltJ is here
20:02:14 * dgilmore is present
20:02:30 * jds2001 for a change - sick today :(
20:02:40 <dgilmore> jds2001: slacker
20:03:10 <jds2001> dgilmore: yep, that's me! :D
20:03:25 <jds2001> dgilmore: but you'
20:03:32 <jds2001> you're a cubs fan, which is worse :D
20:03:55 <mmcgrath> hah
20:03:58 <mmcgrath> Lets get started
20:04:01 <mmcgrath> #topic The release
20:04:07 <mmcgrath> Smooge is going through creating tickets for us.
20:04:15 <mmcgrath> the last wildcard we have this week is the website
20:04:24 <mmcgrath> which the websites team tells us will be ready early next week, probably Tuesday.
20:04:29 <mmcgrath> it probably won't require any changes from us.
20:04:38 <mmcgrath> but it's nice they'll be getting it in and running a week before the release.
20:04:57 <Arsenick> Iam here!
20:05:17 <mmcgrath> Arsenick: hello
20:05:48 <mmcgrath> We are change frozen but everyone knows that already :)
20:06:14 <mmcgrath> smooge: I'll get started ticket by ticket while you're still creating them.
20:06:17 <mmcgrath> .ticket 2436
20:06:18 <zodbot> mmcgrath: #2436 (New Website) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2436
20:06:26 <mmcgrath> We just talked about this a bit, I'm confident this will be up and ready
20:06:28 <mmcgrath> .ticket 2437
20:06:30 <zodbot> mmcgrath: #2437 (Mirror Disk Space) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2437
20:06:35 <mmcgrath> I'll go ahead and accept this one.
20:06:53 <mmcgrath> dgilmore: how far are we from an RC?
20:08:09 * mmcgrath assumes dgilmore is busy
20:08:22 <mmcgrath> I'll get with him after the meeting to verify how big this one should be and probably migrate stuff around
20:08:41 <smooge> ok I think I have opened them all now
20:08:47 <mmcgrath> smooge: cool.
20:08:51 <dgilmore> mmcgrath: Oxf13 is doing GA
20:08:54 <mmcgrath> smooge: did you want to do the release or watch me do it?
20:08:57 <mmcgrath> dgilmore: got'cha
20:09:00 <dgilmore> since ill be on vacation when it goes live
20:09:01 <mmcgrath> Oxf13: how far are we from an RC / GA?
20:09:08 <Oxf13> RC is being posted now
20:09:10 <mmcgrath> Oxf13: mostly just for checking size requirements.
20:09:18 <mmcgrath> Oxf13: I'll get with you after the meeting
20:09:36 <smooge> mmcgrath, remembered one
20:09:38 <Oxf13> there shouldn't be any noticeable size difference from F13
20:10:14 <mmcgrath> Oxf13: excellent
20:10:38 <mmcgrath> smooge: whatever ones you're adding that aren't on the wiki make sure to add them to the wiki.
20:10:42 <mmcgrath> smooge: do you want to take it from here?
20:11:17 <smooge> added it to the wiki
20:11:46 <smooge> .ticket 2348
20:11:47 <zodbot> smooge: #2348 (Bodhi: bugs marked ON_QA get left in that state when an update is withdrawn from testing) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2348
20:12:06 <smooge> ehem.. dsylexic
20:12:09 <smooge> .ticket 2428
20:12:10 <zodbot> smooge: #2428 (can rsync access be added to serverbeach1.fedoraproject.org) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2428
20:12:11 <smooge> .ticket 2438
20:12:18 <zodbot> smooge: #2438 (Release day ticket and milestone) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2438
20:12:30 <smooge> sorry I am typing sort of one handed due to shoulder problem
20:12:36 <smooge> ok this ticket is post review.
20:12:38 <smooge> I will take it
20:13:13 <smooge> .ticket 2439
20:13:15 <zodbot> smooge: #2439 (Verify with rel-eng permissions) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2439
20:13:56 <smooge> This one is done prior to release. It is basically a find to look for permissions seem odd
20:14:03 <smooge> rw-rw-rw etc
20:14:28 <smooge> I will take it
20:15:04 <smooge> .ticket 2440
20:15:05 <zodbot> smooge: #2440 (Add MirrorManager repository redirects.) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2440
20:15:13 <smooge> mdomsch, are you around?
20:15:46 <mdomsch> yeah
20:15:56 <smooge> hi you have done this for the past couple of releases
20:16:00 <smooge> I think
20:16:27 <mdomsch> on release day, I need to move the pointers for f14 from the development/14 tree to point at releases/14
20:16:30 <smooge> well actually mdomsch usually has it done by now
20:16:51 <smooge> oh different one than I was thinking of
20:17:03 <mdomsch> it's different for release day than for all the others, yes
20:17:17 <mdomsch> alpha/beta need redirects in place
20:17:30 <mdomsch> release day the automatically created pointers need to move
20:17:35 <CodeBlock[s]> eep, I'm here..better late than never
20:17:37 <mdomsch> I should probalby change the SOP now
20:17:37 <smooge> ah ok
20:17:47 <smooge> thanks
20:18:05 <smooge> mdomsch want me to assign the ticket to you also?
20:18:11 <mdomsch> yep
20:18:17 <mdomsch> what's release day again?
20:18:34 <mdomsch> 11/9 ?
20:18:35 <mmcgrath> mdomsch: november 2nd
20:18:45 <mdomsch> oh, crap
20:19:01 <mdomsch> I'll be on a plane to BOS that morning
20:19:21 <mdomsch> I can move the pointers as soon as the new tree lands and Everything/ is visible to the public
20:19:33 <mdomsch> are we only bitflipping the iso/ directories?
20:19:48 <mdomsch> or are we bitflipping releases/14 still?  That's the gotcha
20:19:53 <smooge> I can do 11/2 if the SOP is clear :)
20:19:54 <mmcgrath> I thought we bitfliped releases
20:20:11 <mdomsch> I can't move the pointers until releases/14/Everything/ is visible
20:20:31 <mdomsch> Oxf13: ?
20:20:32 <mmcgrath> the bitflip happens at night.  We can also have someone else do it if you're unavailable.
20:20:48 <smooge> I can do it
20:20:58 <smooge> I will be available the 2nd
20:21:01 <mdomsch> ok, assign me the ticket, I'll write a little app to do it
20:21:10 <mdomsch> and let smooge run it
20:22:09 <Oxf13> I'll be doing the population the night before
20:22:09 <smooge> ok reassigned. next ticket
20:22:24 <mdomsch> it's not critical that it happen on release day, it just has to happen before development/14 gets nuked
20:22:31 <smooge> so after I do the permission check I can look at what is next
20:22:35 <mdomsch> and it's better to happen on release day or within a day or so thereafter
20:22:52 <mdomsch> to take advantage of the extra mirrors that don't carry development/
20:23:22 <smooge> ok cool
20:23:27 <smooge> .ticket 2441
20:23:28 <zodbot> smooge: #2441 (Communication with Red Hat IS) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2441
20:23:38 <smooge> I figured I would take this one..  :)
20:23:56 <mmcgrath> smooge: we mentioned this one on the call last week but it's probably good to create a helpdesk ticket.
20:23:59 <smooge> I could assign it to someone who doesn't know anyone inside of RH :)
20:24:07 <mmcgrath> :)
20:24:16 * tremble wonders what actually needs doing
20:24:23 <dgilmore> the ticket is just to give them a heads up right?
20:24:34 <dgilmore> since they no longer actually do anything
20:24:34 <mmcgrath> smooge: I generally email helpdesk, then tell them it's to be assigned to ebrown.
20:24:38 <smooge> basically it is a "Hey we are going to ram a lot of bits out through your networks
20:24:51 <mmcgrath> dgilmore: correct, the big concern is sort of a sanity check, it's largly symbolic now but they still want to know.
20:24:57 <smooge> please smile because its a new baby Fedora.
20:25:13 <mmcgrath> there was a time where the fedora release took down internal systems during a quarter end and that made some very high up people pay attention and freak out.
20:25:28 <mdomsch> not since F6 though
20:25:33 * tremble laughs as he realises at least he's not shift lead for that week.
20:25:36 <mmcgrath> yeah, it's been a while.
20:25:40 <dgilmore> mmcgrath: coolio
20:25:43 <dgilmore> win 28
20:25:48 <mmcgrath> lose 32 :)
20:26:07 <smooge> .ticket 2442
20:26:08 <zodbot> smooge: #2442 (Infrastructure change freeze) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2442
20:26:14 <smooge> mmcgrath started this one :)
20:26:42 <smooge> please make sure all changes to infrastructure get a +1 check on the infrastructure list.
20:26:50 <mmcgrath> yup this ones done :)  we are FROZEN
20:27:07 <smooge> .ticket 2443
20:27:08 <zodbot> smooge: #2443 (Modify Template:FedoraVersion to reference new version.) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2443
20:27:24 <smooge> ok when does this need to be done?
20:27:49 <mmcgrath> smooge: that's usually something we get docs or websites to do
20:28:01 <mmcgrath> it's a reminder and it gets done release morning
20:28:09 <mmcgrath> should be done before  the announcement goes out but isn't a blocker.
20:28:14 <smooge> sijs isn't on at the moment
20:28:21 <mmcgrath> ianweller: you want to do this one?
20:28:24 * mmcgrath thinks he's done it before
20:28:40 <mmcgrath> It's a trivial switch to do but it's one we've forgotten about before so now we track it.
20:29:39 <mmcgrath> smooge: we can skip that this week and find one next week
20:29:51 <smooge> .ticket 2444
20:29:51 <zodbot> smooge: #2444 (Re-review Lessons Learned pages from previous release,) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2444
20:30:08 <smooge> speak of the angel and he shows up
20:30:42 <smooge> sijis, are you able to look at https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2443
20:30:56 * sijis is looking
20:31:02 <smooge> mmcgrath, on 2444 do we have a lessons learned page that I am not able to find?
20:31:30 <mmcgrath> smooge: not really, we usually make notes in the ticket when they come up and add them to the wiki afterwards or have a meeting about them.
20:31:43 <ianweller> mmcgrath: hi
20:31:48 <mmcgrath> though there's not much 'usually' at this point, things are pretty smooth
20:31:52 <sijis> smooge: yeah, i should be able to do that. i'll have to verify that i have rights on the wiki to do so
20:31:52 <smooge> ok I will look through the old tickets to find out what to assign ianweller
20:31:56 <mmcgrath> ianweller: hey, you might be out of it if sijis says yes :)
20:32:04 <ianweller> sijis: you have rights
20:32:14 <ianweller> and i'd rather someone who doesn't have class at the time of release do it :)
20:32:16 <smooge> sijis, ianweller cool. i will let you fight it out
20:32:40 <sijis> ianweller: so no special perms needed? then i can take care fo it
20:32:41 <smooge> also https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2436
20:33:11 <sijis> for #2436. that's going to be next week Tuesday (Wed latest)
20:33:18 <smooge> cool
20:33:24 <smooge> what help do you need from us?
20:33:47 <sijis> nothing ,taht i can think of right now. i will have to put in a change request for it though
20:33:51 <sijis> (i assume)
20:34:29 <smooge> ok cool
20:34:45 <smooge> .ticket 2445
20:34:46 <zodbot> smooge: #2445 (Enable Caching for the wiki for release) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2445
20:35:14 <mmcgrath> smooge: actually we can get rid of that one now, it's no longer needed.
20:35:21 <mmcgrath> varnish fixed that but I forgot to remove it from the wiki
20:35:23 <smooge> ok
20:35:24 * mmcgrath removes it from the SOP now
20:36:08 <sijis> so wiki is 100% cached now w/varnish?
20:36:19 <mmcgrath> sijis: it is
20:36:33 <mmcgrath> well, for some value of 100%.  When you're logged in you're not getting cached content ever IIRC.
20:36:40 <mmcgrath> except for maybe images and things, perhaps not even then though.
20:37:00 <smooge> .ticket 2447
20:37:01 <zodbot> smooge: #2447 (Add the new release to stats gathering scripts on log1) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2447
20:37:20 <smooge> oh sorry sijis did that answer your question.
20:37:43 <smooge> I am taking 2447 as I like this one. I name it George
20:37:45 <sijis> yep.
20:38:11 <smooge> .ticket 2448
20:38:12 <zodbot> smooge: #2448 (Lessons Learned) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2448
20:38:18 <smooge> This only happens after the release
20:38:34 <smooge> I believe our Beloved Leader should take that one
20:39:26 <smooge> And the new one I just added for mmcgrath to show me how he has been doing it
20:39:30 <smooge> .ticket 2449
20:39:32 <zodbot> smooge: #2449 (migrate old releases off of main) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2449
20:41:03 <smooge> basically it will be moving off 11 and 12 off of /pub/fedora to archives
20:41:07 <smooge> and the updates
20:41:33 <mmcgrath> smooge: you want me to get that or do you want it?
20:43:08 <smooge> I would like to do it, but want to make sure my steps are documented and looked over. Since the 11 will be during the freeze
20:43:18 <smooge> I will do 12 after its EOL
20:43:28 <smooge> using the SOP thus written
20:43:30 <mmcgrath> <nod>
20:43:53 <smooge> ok that should be tickets for the release
20:44:39 * dgilmore has something
20:45:19 <smooge> you have the talking shell
20:45:48 <smooge> sorry that was meant to be "dgilmore you have the talking shell."
20:45:58 <dgilmore> .ticket 1994
20:45:59 <zodbot> dgilmore: #1994 (lists.fedorahosted.org vs redhat.com spam filters) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1994
20:46:23 * mmcgrath is apathetic on that.  If someone wanted to do the work I wouldn't get in the way :)
20:46:34 <dgilmore> so when we planned and setup our mailmain infrastructure we made a decsison not to use any spam filtering
20:47:07 <dgilmore> our reasoning was that lists will require subscription. etc
20:47:19 <dgilmore> and we have no real way to properlly train the filters
20:47:36 <dgilmore> since we dont have any collected mail available to the smtp-mm hosts
20:48:09 <dgilmore> there is one list thats complained and they are open to everyone
20:48:27 * dgilmore still thinks what we have done is fine
20:48:32 <mdomsch> dgilmore: which list?
20:48:40 <dgilmore> actually thats the wrong ticket
20:48:41 * mdomsch prepares the spambots
20:48:56 <dgilmore> .ticket 2208
20:48:57 <zodbot> dgilmore: #2208 (spamassassin filters too lenient) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2208
20:50:18 <smooge> our mail routing map falls under "its complicated"
20:50:48 <smooge> I need to try and draw it out.
20:51:07 <dgilmore> we have 3 smtp hosts  that route mail to the 2 mailman hosts
20:51:19 <dgilmore> its not complicated
20:51:30 <Arsenick> is there any kind of grey listing in place ?
20:51:36 <Arsenick> *said the guy from nowhere
20:51:37 <dgilmore> no grey listing
20:51:58 <dgilmore> most spamer dont subscibe to the lists
20:52:02 <dgilmore> mail doesnt get though
20:52:07 <dgilmore> unless you open the list up
20:52:13 <smooge> dgilmore, we have mailman, we have internal mail we have mail that goes through RH twice it seems. I am talking about mail in general not one usecase
20:52:43 <Arsenick> ok
20:52:45 <smooge> sorry for not clarifying
20:52:49 <dgilmore> smooge: its not complicated
20:52:51 <dgilmore> but ok
20:53:34 <dgilmore> anyway i just wanted to see what others opinions are
20:53:36 <dgilmore> jds2001: ??
20:54:47 <jds2001> yeah, most lists are closed
20:55:22 <jds2001> so what i say to the folks that complain is to do the same
20:55:56 <jds2001> and the spam magically goes away, but you need either someone to tend the queue or a decision that you dont care about non-subscribers and just throw it all away.
20:56:59 <dgilmore> right
20:57:07 <jds2001> if we were hosting something like lkml, that has a large constituency of non-subscribers, i might think differently.
20:57:16 <dgilmore> which was what we kept in mind when we designed it
20:57:30 <jgreguske> dgilmore: hey, did you get a chance to test createAppliance in Fedora Koji?
20:57:32 <dgilmore> jds2001: i do remeber correctly why we did it like we did right?
20:57:46 <dgilmore> jgreguske: si sehnor. I need to work out why its failing
20:57:54 <jds2001> dgilmore: yep.
20:57:55 <smooge> does this apply for both lists on fedoraproject and fedorahosted
20:58:06 <jds2001> yeah
20:58:16 <dgilmore> smooge: yes they both use the same smtp-mm frontends
20:58:35 <dgilmore> the frontends are so that we should always have at least one box up to collect mail
20:58:42 <jds2001> fedorahosted *might* be more akin to the lkml case. But we haven't really seen it except from elfutils
20:58:53 * rbergeron pokes in for the impending cloud meeting that y'all should stick around for in 2 minutes ;)
20:58:55 <jds2001> and teh backends are active/passive
20:59:05 <dgilmore> right
20:59:17 <dgilmore> mmcgrath: i guess we should wrap up
20:59:18 <smooge> ok we have 60 seconds before another meeting. I
20:59:25 <smooge> I am ok with the present way of doing things
20:59:31 <dgilmore> ok
20:59:37 <dgilmore> ill close the ticket wontfix
20:59:37 <rbergeron> sorry :(
20:59:46 <smooge> bah humbug
20:59:53 <smooge> that is what I want to close my tickets as
20:59:57 <sijis> and maybe put a suggestion to make it subscription based? :)
20:59:59 * jds2001 is the grinch :D
21:00:17 <mmcgrath> ok, shall we close for the cloud meeting?
21:00:18 <mmcgrath> we shall :)
21:00:20 <mmcgrath> sorry cloud peeps
21:00:21 <smooge> #endmeeting