19:00:03 <poelcat> #startmeeting Fedora 14 Release Readiness Meeting
19:00:03 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Oct 28 19:00:03 2010 UTC.  The chair is poelcat. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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19:00:21 <poelcat> how's everyone doing today?
19:00:26 <rbergeron> dandy
19:00:36 <noriko> hi
19:01:32 <jlaska> greetings!
19:02:05 <poelcat> ke4qqq jsmith mmcgrath Oxf13 meeting time
19:02:19 <poelcat> any mizmo sightings?
19:02:29 * gholms wakes up, realizes there's an unusual meeting today
19:02:57 <poelcat> Sparks_too: around?
19:03:37 <Sparks_too> poelcat: Yo
19:03:56 * rbergeron waves at gholms ;)
19:04:00 <poelcat> we'll wait 60 seconds and then jump in w/ the teams here
19:04:02 * ke4qqq_ shows up
19:04:43 <Sparks_too> poelcat: Oh, we're having a meeting!  :)
19:05:10 * gholms thought the release was already declared gold
19:05:35 <rbergeron> gholms: making sure everyone *else* is ready - docs, marketing, websites, etc :)
19:05:35 <poelcat> yes, we're here to do a quick trip around the teams to make sure we're coordinated for release day
19:05:44 <poelcat> #topic Documentation Team
19:05:55 <poelcat> Sparks_too: how are things looking? anything you need to discuss or coordinate?
19:06:26 <Sparks_too> poelcat: I think we are on go!
19:06:41 <Sparks_too> poelcat: The Release Notes will be updated over the weekend...
19:06:56 <Sparks_too> and all other guides will be posted Sunday evening.
19:06:56 <poelcat> how about the guides and coordination with translation?
19:07:04 <poelcat> excellent
19:07:17 <poelcat> any of the other teams need something from docs or have questions?
19:07:28 <jlaska> nope
19:08:02 <poelcat> #topic Translation Team
19:08:07 <poelcat> thanks Sparks_too
19:08:16 <poelcat> noriko: how about from your team?
19:08:29 <poelcat> anything we need to know or can help you with?
19:08:48 <noriko> yea, we are going well. I have just one general question for websight from the team.
19:09:03 <noriko> grrr, website.
19:09:21 <noriko> can I ask now or later?
19:09:33 <poelcat> ask away
19:09:59 <poelcat> though i'm not sure we have a respresentative from the web team
19:10:08 <poelcat> sijis said he would come
19:10:29 <noriko> up, I sm not sure too, who to  ask and that is why I am asking here.  It seems to relate Eurpoean language, pls check these two screenshots
19:10:37 <noriko> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Fp.o-vista.png
19:10:43 <noriko> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Fp.o-rhel.png
19:11:05 <noriko> First screenshot contains wrong char for the opening question sesntence.
19:11:21 <noriko> How, where and whom to address for this issue?
19:11:33 <poelcat> good question
19:11:40 <poelcat> kind of hard w/o someone from the web team
19:11:47 <noriko> First screenshot = font problem on Windows Vista.
19:11:49 <poelcat> can anyone speak for the web team?
19:13:16 <poelcat> well, this is disappointing... kind of the point of this meeting
19:13:22 <jlaska> :(
19:13:27 <poelcat> noriko: let's see/hope someone shows up eventually
19:13:42 <noriko> poelcat: sure, thank you.
19:13:42 <poelcat> noriko: anything for the translation team?
19:13:56 <noriko> nop!  :-))
19:14:02 <poelcat> noriko: thank you
19:14:13 <poelcat> #topic Quality
19:14:21 <poelcat> jlaska: what do we need to know?
19:14:40 <jlaska> #info QA is good to go and on track for remaining tasks
19:14:47 <jlaska> As with each release, we'll keep an eye on forums and test@ list for any issues that surface and need addressing (CommonBugs, workarounds etc...)
19:15:01 <jlaska> Adamw and I (contributions welcome) will be documenting the CommonBugs issues between now and release day
19:15:12 * jlaska feeds meetbot some links ...
19:15:14 <poelcat> great to hear
19:15:16 <jlaska> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F14_bugs
19:15:18 <jlaska> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_14_QA_Retrospective
19:15:38 <jlaska> the process for tagging a bug for Common_F14_bugs is linked to above
19:15:38 <poelcat> does anyone have questions for the QA team?
19:15:59 <jlaska> and if you have comments/thoughts/input on what worked, or what we could improve ... the "suggestion box" is above as well :)
19:16:14 <jlaska> poelcat: that's all I've got, thanks
19:16:19 <poelcat> thanks jlaska
19:16:26 <poelcat> #topic Marketing
19:16:34 <poelcat> rbergeron: what'd we know, how can we help?
19:16:47 <rbergeron> I think we're good. I have one question -
19:17:08 <rbergeron> Who is sending out the final announcement - jsmith, or someone from release engineering (Oxf13)?
19:17:39 <rbergeron> dgilmore commented when sendingout the beta announcement that copyign from the wiki to flat email text required a lot of reworking, and i was going to fix that up and send it to the right person.
19:18:00 <rbergeron> So i can either send it to a list, or a human directly, whatever is preferred, but would like to know who or what is preferred to make that a bit smoother for that person.
19:18:09 * stickster comes in a little late
19:18:21 <stickster> rbergeron: The final release announcement is sent by the FPL
19:18:30 <stickster> rbergeron: rel-eng handles the test phase announcements (Alpha, Beta)
19:18:53 <rbergeron> okee dokee. that's what i thought, but having confirmation is good. ;)
19:19:26 <rbergeron> other than that: I think we're good.
19:19:43 <poelcat> any teams have questions for rbergeron ?
19:19:54 <stickster> rbergeron: jsmith has confirmed that he's working with Red Hat PR on their press release for F14 GA release day
19:20:06 <Sparks_too> poelcat: I have a hard stop... anything else for me?
19:20:13 <stickster> rbergeron: Do we expect to have one-page release notes on GA day?
19:20:17 <poelcat> Sparks_too: i think we're good... thanks
19:20:22 <rbergeron> stickster: yes.
19:20:46 <stickster> rbergeron: superb
19:21:23 * nirik arrives late.
19:21:29 <poelcat> rbergeron: thank you
19:21:34 <poelcat> #topic Other Teams
19:21:48 <poelcat> do we have anyone representing: Design, Release Engineering, Infrastructure, or Websites?
19:22:00 <poelcat> or Ambassadors?
19:22:05 <stickster> poelcat: Do you want me to ping a couple people?
19:22:16 <poelcat> i did in the beginning
19:22:18 <stickster> OK
19:22:55 <rbergeron> ke4qqq is here for ambassadors
19:23:01 * gholms wonders if all four EC2 images will be ready
19:23:29 <rbergeron> or was anyway
19:23:29 * mmcgrath here
19:23:30 * ke4qqq is here - but nothing really to add - we are relatively squared away
19:23:53 <poelcat> #topic Ambassadors
19:23:56 * skvidal is just spectating
19:24:02 <poelcat> ke4qqq: anything for the record? :)
19:24:14 <ke4qqq> nothing - we are good to go :)
19:24:17 <poelcat> or any team need to coordinate with ambassadors
19:24:23 <poelcat> ?
19:25:00 <stickster> rbergeron: Are there plans for a PDF copy of the one-page release notes that Ambassadors will be able to hand out? Having that PDF on release day is probably not vital, but maybe within the week after would be good
19:25:11 <rbergeron> stickster: always :)
19:25:21 <stickster> ke4qqq: ^^ Would you say that's helpful for Ambassadors? We did one for F13 that seemed to be really well received
19:25:26 <sijis> sorry all
19:25:43 <ke4qqq> stickster: absolutely - esp with release parties imminent
19:26:30 <stickster> I don't have anything further wrt. Ambassadors poelcat
19:26:38 <poelcat> thanks ke4qqq stickster
19:26:43 <poelcat> #topic Infrastructure
19:26:52 <poelcat> mmcgrath: what do we need to know?
19:27:07 <poelcat> besides your usual "everything is ready" :)
19:27:11 <mmcgrath> AFAIK we're in pretty good shape
19:27:33 <mmcgrath> smooge is going to be handling most of this release because of my parting but at the moment we don't really have any unknowns
19:27:33 <poelcat> mmcgrath: do you have anythings that need coordinating with releng?
19:27:51 <mmcgrath> the new website has shipped and while it is much larger then the old site, I don't think this will cause us any problems on release day.
19:27:56 <mmcgrath> nothing more then the usual.
19:28:10 <stickster> mmcgrath: You just pre-empted my question, thanks :-)
19:28:11 <poelcat> any questions for infrastructure?
19:28:22 <sijis> mmcgrath: i will actual add, that i'm glad we did it prior to ga
19:28:25 <sijis> good call
19:28:28 <stickster> No doubt
19:28:36 <mmcgrath> :)
19:28:43 <poelcat> #topic Websites
19:28:53 <poelcat> sijis: noriko had question about the website
19:29:02 <poelcat> noriko: can you ask them again?
19:29:24 <noriko> usre, sijis could you check these two screenshots
19:29:32 <noriko> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Fp.o-vista.png
19:29:36 <noriko> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Fp.o-rhel.png
19:29:52 <noriko> First one has font rendering problem on vista.
19:30:08 <noriko> how and where can we address the problem?
19:30:37 <noriko> this relates to european languages.
19:30:55 <sijis> noriko: on the first screenshot, we think it could be something with the font Confortaa (if i recall the name correctly)
19:32:10 <sijis> the majority of our complains have been font related on Windows systems
19:32:18 <stickster> noriko: Is the problem that upside-down question mark character?
19:32:32 <gholms> Thanks for fixing the no-javascript brokenness.
19:32:40 <stickster> noriko: I thought that in Spanish, that was the proper character to start a question
19:32:56 <noriko> stickster: I'd say right-side-to-left question mark character.
19:33:01 <gholms> It supposed to be rotated 180 degrees, not flipped vertically.
19:33:07 <sijis> i know there is a specific one mentioned about the prefix ? character and i havne't looked at that one as closesly. i understood mizmo thought it maybe specific to the embedded font
19:33:11 <sijis> used
19:33:12 <stickster> Oh, I see!
19:33:15 <stickster> It's backward
19:33:33 <stickster> Compared to the one above.... I totally missed that, thanks noriko :-)
19:33:38 <prabindatta> I like to add hear that all img attributes missing alt attribute
19:33:46 <sijis> in spanish, it should be like the rhel.png screenshot
19:33:50 <stickster> sijis: Right
19:34:16 <noriko> right
19:34:17 <stickster> prabindatta: Please report any problems to the websites@ list -- this is a readiness meeting but I know that the Websites team would love to hear ideas for improvement on their list
19:34:19 <sijis> so, how should the actual rhel.png look like? the first one?
19:34:27 <sijis> vista.png ?
19:34:59 <stickster> sijis: The vista.png has it wrong; the rhel.png is correct <-- right, noriko?
19:35:20 <noriko> stickster, sijis confirmed. rhel.png is correct.
19:35:51 <sijis> ok. i better understand the problem now
19:36:20 <poelcat> sijis: would it make more sense to move this to the website list?
19:36:59 <sijis> probably. or stopy by #fedora-websites too
19:37:02 <stickster> poelcat: +1
19:37:18 <stickster> noriko: Good catch -- looks like we could report this to the Confortaa font developer and have him fix it
19:37:20 <sijis> noriko: i'll look at that today and talk with mizmo too.
19:37:27 <noriko> ok. sijis would you like me to file a bug in bugzilla or a ticket in somewhere?
19:37:41 <poelcat> sijis: anything else to coordinate w/ the other teams for release day?
19:37:55 <poelcat> any of the other teams have quesions for sijis ?
19:37:56 <sijis> noriko: here would be good: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-websites/report/1
19:38:05 <sijis> i have something for infra though
19:38:20 <noriko> got it.
19:38:38 <sijis> mmcgrath: i may ask for a code change, so we can stop syncing fp.o for a couple of days. that way we can update the iso links and whatnot in prep for ga
19:39:15 <sijis> i will put the request on the list with the exact changes i'll be asking for
19:39:36 <poelcat> thanks sijis
19:39:42 <poelcat> #topic Open Discussion
19:39:57 <poelcat> anything else to cover today... too bad we don't have design or release engineering
19:40:05 <mmcgrath> sijis: possibly, lets chat in #fedora-admin
19:40:28 <stickster> I know if jsmith were here, he would say thank you to everyone for pulling together to make the release happen with only a single one-week slip -- our best performance in many, many releases
19:40:37 <sijis> mmcgrath: ok
19:40:54 <gholms> Another question for you website folks?
19:41:00 <sijis> go for it
19:41:01 <gholms> (Maybe #fedora-websites would be better)
19:41:15 <gholms> How come the net install CD isn't on http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-options#formats ?
19:41:18 <poelcat> to gholms earlier question, who is coordinating the EC2 images?
19:41:24 <gholms> poelcat: jforbes
19:41:42 <poelcat> okay
19:41:49 <poelcat> anything else before we wrap up?
19:42:04 * rbergeron thanks poelcat
19:42:09 <stickster> gholms: Re: EC2 images, FYI --> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/cloud/2010-October/000317.html
19:42:31 <stickster> poelcat: Special thanks and congrats to you also for helping us stay close to schedule!
19:42:39 <gholms> stickster: Don't worry; I already asked him my question.  ;)
19:42:58 <poelcat> you're welcome... thanks to everyone else who did their part too! :)
19:43:12 <poelcat> it was the smoothest end of release I've seen
19:43:18 <poelcat> thanks again everyone
19:43:20 <poelcat> #endmeeting