00:59:46 <lcafiero> #startmeeting 00:59:46 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Nov 3 00:59:46 2010 UTC. The chair is lcafiero. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 00:59:46 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 00:59:56 <SushiDude> hi 01:00:06 <lcafiero> All righty then. 01:00:20 <lcafiero> we're about 14 seconds early 01:00:36 <rrix> gadzooks 01:00:39 <nb> :) 01:00:48 <SushiDude> hehe 01:01:04 <lcafiero> agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Ambassadors_2010-11-3#Agenda 01:01:23 <lcafiero> #topic Announcements 01:01:51 <lcafiero> Announcements, anyone? 01:02:01 * rrix announces that lcafiero is awesum 01:02:08 <rbergeron> hey, i hear F14 is out :) 01:02:09 * nb announces thatFedora 14 was released today 01:02:09 <Ender2070> +1 01:02:14 <dmaxel> +1 01:02:19 <dmaxel> and +1 01:02:20 <dmaxel> :P 01:02:29 * SushiDude I am installing 14 in a VM! 01:02:32 <SushiDude> is* 01:02:47 * SushiDude is installing 14 in a VM 01:03:10 <rrix> Hmm, that means my f12 server is about to be EOL'd :( 01:03:15 <lcafiero> Everyone have F14 or a reasonable facsimilie? 01:03:43 * rrix will update this weekend, will talk about why when we hit events on the agenda 01:03:45 <SushiDude> rrix: update it 01:03:58 <rrix> SushiDude: It works right now, it's too fragile to update atm 01:04:08 <lcafiero> MarkDude: You have an event coming up? 01:05:06 <MarkDude> Yes I do 01:05:13 <MarkDude> on the 13th 01:05:17 <geek_cl> when i installed F14 on a new Logical Volume (5G), the default partitioner , left some space to / fs 01:05:35 <lcafiero> OK. 01:05:45 * dmaxel has yet to update 01:05:49 <MarkDude> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Party_F14_Bay_Area 01:05:51 <geek_cl> on a VM 01:06:03 <lcafiero> Any other announcements before we go to events? 01:06:09 <rrix> rbergeron: Do we want to organize a party? 01:06:22 <rrix> (probably asked better oob) 01:06:28 <rbergeron> rrix: consult me tomorrow :) 01:06:35 <lcafiero> Heh. 01:06:37 <MarkDude> rrix, yes you do :D 01:06:42 <lcafiero> Going once . . . . 01:06:50 <lcafiero> twice . . . 01:07:04 <rrix> fifty quid! 01:07:16 <rbergeron> :) 01:07:25 <lcafiero> Sold. Any other announcements can come at open floor 01:07:30 <lcafiero> Next: 01:07:31 <rrix> woo! 01:07:40 <lcafiero> #topic: events 01:07:40 <SushiDude> SOLD TO THE HIGHEST BIDER!! 01:07:54 <lcafiero> Events? 01:08:01 * rrix has one 01:08:06 <VileGent> #meeting-name FAmNA 01:08:15 <Arsenick> we'll have a releasy party on nov. 25 here in quebec city 01:08:15 <lcafiero> Ah, rookie mistake 01:08:25 * dmaxel is sadly too busy to get one going at my school 01:08:44 <SushiDude> I am to busy with school also 01:08:53 <rrix> this weekend ASULUG is having an installfest; i'll be speaking at it, probably a few times 01:09:00 <lcafiero> events wiki: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents 01:09:04 <rrix> VileGent: what's the status of that stuffs you sent me? 01:09:15 <VileGent> should be there tomorrow 01:09:21 <nb> rrix, check the tracking number :) 01:09:37 <rrix> nb: I never got'd it? unless it's on the trac 01:09:39 <Arsenick> lcafiero, we have an event here in quebec where richard stallman will attend, I've talked with few peoples and maybe we'll be able to have a booth there 01:09:44 <VileGent> i will get you the tracking # tomorrow 01:09:45 <rrix> VileGent: thx 01:09:50 <lcafiero> Arsenick: +1 01:09:56 <Arsenick> but I would like to know how it work if we ned banner and things like that.. 01:10:00 <Arsenick> *need 01:10:13 <nb> Arsenick, you file a request at fedorahosted.org/famnarequests 01:10:32 <lcafiero> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents 01:10:41 <Arsenick> ok thanks! 01:11:39 * rrix plans on dumping ~70 liveimages around campus with invites to the installfest 01:11:45 <rrix> The rest of the 13 stuff I have 01:12:10 <dmaxel> eh, but 13 is old now :P 01:12:15 <lcafiero> rrix: you have stuff coming from me too. 01:12:22 <rrix> lcafiero: do I? suweet 01:12:26 <dmaxel> lcafiero: can i get pens? :) 01:12:31 <lcafiero> shirts, pens, balloons 01:12:32 <rrix> dmaxel: it's what I've got :P 01:12:35 <rrix> lcafiero: woot! 01:12:47 <rrix> Also, is it cool if I use some stuff from the Event Box sitting under my desk? 01:12:53 <dmaxel> rrix: same here....meh. I feel bad for giving people old stuff. that's just me. 01:12:55 <lcafiero> dmaxel: yes. make a ticket and I'll see you get them 01:13:26 <dmaxel> lcafiero: awesome. since i'm still in school, using pens would probably be one of the best ways for me to fill my role lol. pens = life 01:13:38 <nb> yeah, i have lots of f13 left 01:14:02 <lcafiero> rrix: yes. Use whatever you want from the event box 01:14:07 <rrix> lcafiero: awesum 01:14:11 * inode0 has a comment about leftover media 01:14:21 <nb> inode0, yeah? 01:14:24 <lcafiero> Um, can we stick with events? 01:14:34 <nb> oh yeah, we can talk about that in open floor 01:14:35 <VileGent> rrix i 2 day it on my dime on monday 01:14:36 <lcafiero> And we'll come back to leftover media 01:14:36 * dmaxel is sorry :P 01:14:53 <inode0> probably too late this time, but it is more than fine to use leftover media to fill freemedia tickets at the end of a release 01:14:58 <rrix> VileGent: You rock, my friend 01:15:01 <lcafiero> Right 01:15:06 <lcafiero> inode0^^^ 01:15:06 <nb> inode0, oh 01:15:25 * rrix makes a note to himself that he has an openfloor item 01:15:29 <lcafiero> We can revisit this in open floor, as well as restocking swag 01:15:36 <rrix> Yes 01:15:37 <lcafiero> Any other events? 01:15:41 <inode0> yes 01:16:02 <lcafiero> OK 01:16:20 <inode0> FAmSCo has provided some funding for two contributors to venture into the world of Comic-Con next year 01:16:34 <lcafiero> Ah, great! 01:16:41 <rrix> woot 01:16:45 <lcafiero> Which is where, inode0? 01:16:46 <inode0> The event isn't wikified yet, doesn't happen until next July but 01:16:52 <inode0> San Diego 01:17:16 <lcafiero> Ah, right. I knew that. 01:17:29 <inode0> I know we have two ambassadors itching to help at the booth and other places and I'd like to request some support from FAmNA for them 01:17:37 <lcafiero> Is this something at which we can have a table? 01:17:47 <lcafiero> or a booth? 01:17:52 <inode0> Possibly - we hope to have a table 01:17:58 <lcafiero> +1 01:18:06 <inode0> But until we actually have tickets we can't plan the rest 01:18:24 <inode0> Tickets went on sale yesterday and the demand crashed the servers 01:18:32 <lcafiero> Heh. 01:18:37 <inode0> They will go on sale again next Monday 01:19:21 <inode0> So I'll be requesting more formally funds for admission/booth/rooms later but tonight I'd like to get one thing ok'ed 01:19:46 <inode0> Admission for the event for VileGent and rbergeron @ $105 each 01:20:17 <rrix> Will they be able to roleplay? 01:20:20 <rrix> as fedoras? 01:20:22 <lcafiero> Any objection? 01:20:24 <rbergeron> i already do 01:20:25 <rbergeron> :) 01:20:27 <nb> +1 01:20:31 <lcafiero> +1 01:20:32 * inode0 is Captain Old Fart 01:20:38 <rrix> rbergeron: You walk around in a giant Finity? :P 01:20:47 * lcafiero thinks inode0 should go as just that character :-) 01:21:07 <VileGent> i will be happy to be at the booth 01:21:25 <inode0> ok, the four of us will try our best to get tickets, then plan the rest of the event 01:21:26 <VileGent> and be able to promote fedora and watch the views 01:21:30 <rrix> So, this is ... 10 months away? 01:21:51 <rrix> inode0: and who all is going? you rbergeron, VileGent and..? 01:21:56 <inode0> tickets last year sold out in less than one month, so we need to do this part *now* 01:22:08 <lcafiero> So hearing no objection, the expenditure gets an OK from this group 01:22:14 <rrix> +1 01:22:21 * VileGent will not vote 01:22:22 <inode0> they sell around 125,000 tickets - so there will be a lot of people there 01:22:33 <inode0> smooge is the other person going 01:22:37 <rrix> Ah, righto 01:22:47 <inode0> as Sgt. Fsck 01:22:49 <rrix> as Dr. Infrastructure? 01:22:52 <rrix> ahhh :) 01:22:56 <lcafiero> Col. Panic 01:23:10 <smooge> oooh Dr Infrastructure with a metal mask and green cape would be good 01:23:15 <rrix> lcafiero: I had that nick regestered on freenode for a while. 01:23:19 <lcafiero> Heh. 01:23:25 <rrix> My friend still uses GeneralError 01:23:25 <lcafiero> OK any other events? 01:23:26 <inode0> ok, thank you and well report back something next meeting 01:23:31 <inode0> we'll 01:23:35 <lcafiero> Great, inode0 01:23:38 <rrix> wewt 01:23:59 <nb> dcr226 is GeneralAccident :) 01:24:08 <lcafiero> #topic Budget Review 01:24:34 <lcafiero> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_budget 01:25:03 <lcafiero> Budget, anyone? 01:25:09 <VileGent> $249 spent for more balloons 01:25:25 <StabbyMc> Pens are ordered. 01:25:32 <StabbyMc> Just got the invoice today for stickers. 01:25:35 <rrix> I have about 540~$ on buttons, but I'm not sure if that is on ... whichever budget I put it on originally 01:25:39 <rrix> I really need to figure that out 01:26:04 <inode0> around $1400 spend on lanyards/badge holders iirc 01:26:11 <lcafiero> for fudcon? 01:26:18 <inode0> and other things 01:26:26 <inode0> will debut there 01:26:40 <VileGent> rrix, let spevack worry about that 01:26:42 <inode0> we'll have some for ambassadors to judiciously award to people too 01:26:50 <StabbyMc> VileGent: looks like the stickers may be .6" for the keytoppers instead of .5" as originally designed. 01:27:29 <lcafiero> judiciously :-) 01:27:57 <rrix> VileGent: ;) 01:28:18 <SushiDude> does red hat give use the $100000? 01:28:26 <rrix> keytoppers? 01:28:38 <inode0> SushiDude: entrusts us with ... yes 01:28:44 <lcafiero> Yes, SushiDude. 01:28:48 <lcafiero> What inode0 said 01:29:17 * inode0 has something else on FUDCon 01:29:47 <inode0> I'd like FAmNA to support FUDCon this year like it does most other events without as much emphasis on media 01:30:17 <rrix> In what ways? 01:30:18 <inode0> Giving swag to active contributors is a worthwhile thing for us to do and we haven't done much of that in the past 01:30:24 <StabbyMc> #link http://fedorapeople.org/groups/designteam/Fedora%20Collateral/Keycap%20Stickers/keycap-stickers_fedora.pdf 01:30:38 <lcafiero> +1 01:31:02 <inode0> I'd also like to encourage FAmNA to consider hosting a dinner for all the ambassadors from around the world who will be attending FUDCon Tempe 01:31:08 <rrix> +1 01:31:27 <inode0> We will have ambassadors present from every region at this event 01:31:35 <lcafiero> That's true. 01:31:55 <nb> +1 01:32:35 <lcafiero> Could we agendize that for the next meeting? 01:32:37 <mock> +1 01:32:51 <lcafiero> I think that would be a good item to get rolling. 01:32:58 <inode0> well, or later - we can come up with a number when they close registration I think 01:33:42 <lcafiero> Any other budget items? 01:33:48 * inode0 knows they don't really close registration but you know what he means 01:33:55 * lcafiero does 01:34:28 <lcafiero> No more budget items? 01:34:37 <lcafiero> Speak now or wait for two weeks . . . . 01:35:11 <lcafiero> #topic Unfinished Business/Open floor 01:35:12 <Arsenick> hmm maybe 01:35:23 <lcafiero> Oh, sorry Arsenick 01:35:42 <lcafiero> Shall we go back to budget? 01:35:49 <Arsenick> for now, we're talking with the organiser to get a free booth 01:36:01 <lcafiero> For your 11/28 event? 01:36:19 <Arsenick> http://s2lq.com/ 01:36:33 <Arsenick> the one I've tlaked where rms will come 01:37:20 <Arsenick> anyway I don't have too many information now.. so I think I'll wait for the next meeting if we need anything 01:37:28 <lcafiero> OK, good 01:37:32 <Arsenick> sry :/ 01:37:42 <lcafiero> Not a problem. Let's talk after the meeting. 01:37:46 <Arsenick> ok 01:38:02 <lcafiero> We pushed leftover media back to Open Floor 01:38:04 <lcafiero> inode? 01:38:09 <lcafiero> inode0> 01:38:14 <lcafiero> inode0? 01:38:20 <inode0> ok, I have one suggestion to toss on the floor 01:38:22 * lcafiero will type correctly sooner or later. 01:38:38 <inode0> bear with me ... 01:39:23 * rrix bears 01:39:37 <Arsenick> haha 01:39:41 <inode0> well, let me just say I'd like to going forward make an effort to include one newly mentored ambassador at any event where we are funding several people 01:39:57 <inode0> I'm concerned about two things that will help address 01:40:31 <inode0> one is not developing an "event class" or small group that appears to get the action 01:41:08 <inode0> the other is not dropping newly mentored ambassadors into the woods without a chance to get some experience at a real event working and watching experienced ambassadors in action 01:41:53 * rrix thinks it's a good idea 01:42:21 <inode0> I don't have any process or anything in mind, I'd just like to have mentors keep new ambassadors in mind when events are coming up that make sense to help them get to 01:42:44 <lcafiero> Good idea. 01:43:05 <lcafiero> We should think about how to formulate that into a kind of program for new ambassadors. 01:43:47 <inode0> it may be some just get lucky because of timing and availability - but some getting lucky is better than all sitting at home IMO 01:43:48 * lcafiero is intrigued by the idea, himself 01:44:42 <lcafiero> OK, we're at :50 after the hour. 01:44:53 <inode0> I'm not asking tonight for any sort of decision, just please give some thought to it and maybe we can try to work some new people into the mix next year 01:45:08 <inode0> eof 01:45:12 <lcafiero> I think we should all think about this and maybe discuss on-channel and on-list 01:45:41 <lcafiero> correction :46 after the hour. 01:46:08 * inode0 has one announcement I think was missed 01:46:16 <lcafiero> shoot 01:46:48 <inode0> there are Fedora elections in progress - if you are interested in any leadership role on the board, fesco, or especially famsco please consider running 01:47:07 <VileGent> inode0, i have been working my mentorees into events they could attend like OLF 01:47:17 <SushiDude> I am think about becoming an ambassador. 01:47:28 <SushiDude> VileGent: I can make olf 01:48:09 <inode0> VileGent: you set a good example for us all 01:48:14 <rrix> as always :) 01:48:16 <VileGent> this mocks attendance at OLF 01:48:28 <lcafiero> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Elections 01:48:37 <lcafiero> for election information^^^ 01:49:02 * mock remembers olf with fond memories 01:50:27 <lcafiero> Arsenick: I can't read the site for your event -- I can only speak enough French to get my face slapped. 01:50:28 * inode0 will take this opportunity to thank spevack, ke4qqq, and the rest of the outgoing FAmSCo members for their years on that body helping make the ambassador program strong 01:50:35 <lcafiero> +1 01:51:00 <rrix> +1 01:51:17 <Arsenick> lcafiero, yeah I know there's no english version of this website.. 01:51:35 * lcafiero tips his fedora to spevack, ke4qqq and everyone else on FAmSCo 01:52:27 <lcafiero> Any other Unfinished Business / Open Floor? 01:52:50 * rrix sits on his hands 01:53:05 <nb> swag items have been ordered? 01:53:15 * rrix ordered buttons 01:53:22 <lcafiero> good question 01:53:24 <rrix> (finally :( ) 01:53:26 * StabbyMc ordered pens and is working on stickers. 01:53:29 <lcafiero> Heh. 01:54:08 <SushiDude> I printed my own brochures. 01:54:21 * SushiDude well brb 01:54:29 * SushiDude will brb 01:55:25 <lcafiero> :55 after the hour -- any other Unfinished Business / Open Floor? 01:55:59 <lcafiero> Wait, I have something: I am speaking at Felton LUG in December and Humboldt LUG in January -- F14. 01:56:12 <nb> anyone heard when media is expected to be here? 01:56:18 <lcafiero> Oh, and vote for Sturgis as the F15 code name 01:56:25 <inode0> too late 01:56:32 <rrix> Oh; I'm going to start pushing for nicer sleeves for F15 starting, like, now 01:56:36 <lcafiero> Scratch that 01:56:44 <SushiDude> where is the voting 01:56:45 * inode0 is going to call it Sturgis no matter what 01:57:03 <lcafiero> I haven't nb - that's a herlo question. 01:57:05 <rrix> I'd like to have a big discussion surrounding what media we produce for F15 01:57:22 <lcafiero> is that an ambassador issue? 01:57:29 <rrix> we == ambassadors 01:57:31 <rrix> So, yes :) 01:57:34 <inode0> yes 01:57:37 <lcafiero> Um, OK 01:57:42 <SushiDude> yes 01:57:51 <rrix> (what physical media, not what spins iso, etc, we're producing) 01:58:11 <inode0> we have that big discussion every few years 01:58:21 <inode0> it is time for it again 01:58:22 <nb> assuming it goes over well in EMEA, I like the idea of the dvd that has lots of spins on it 01:58:28 <Arsenick> lol 01:58:35 <lcafiero> I'd like to see how that goes. 01:58:35 <rrix> Ender2070 was also talking about it recently, and I think we're at the point to consider switching to DVDs 01:58:42 <lcafiero> :59 after the hour 01:58:45 <rrix> right, depending on how EMEA fairs 01:58:58 <rrix> I'll probably bring it up in channel or on IRC soon enough 01:59:02 <SushiDude> cds with that normal desktop on it and cds with server on it 01:59:03 <rrix> er, on mailing or IRC 01:59:12 <rrix> SushiDude: there isn't "server" 01:59:13 <VileGent> rrix, i am for the lives ona single dvd 01:59:17 <lcafiero> Anything else, or can we take this to the bar . . . I mean, to the irc channel? 01:59:22 <rrix> VileGent: Me too, we just have to... do it 01:59:27 <rrix> I'm done 01:59:27 <SushiDude> ricky: I mean like no gui ones 01:59:33 <VileGent> rrix, i am working on it 01:59:35 <lcafiero> Anyone else? 01:59:43 <rrix> SushiDude: Right, we don't have those. We have install DVDs, but no "live server" media or anything like that. 01:59:50 <rrix> the install DVDs contain full desktops 01:59:51 <lcafiero> five 01:59:56 * rrix proposes #endmeeting 02:00:00 <lcafiero> four 02:00:03 <lcafiero> three 02:00:07 <lcafiero> two 02:00:09 * lcafiero waits 02:00:11 <juliovp01> hello lcafiero 02:00:15 <SushiDude> 1.5 02:00:19 <lcafiero> one 02:00:23 <SushiDude> .5 02:00:25 <lcafiero> #endmeeting