05:03:51 <tagoh> #startmeeting i18n
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05:03:59 <tagoh> #meetingname i18n
05:03:59 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'i18n'
05:04:25 <juhp> hi
05:04:26 <tagoh> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2010-11-04
05:04:31 <epico_laptop> hi
05:04:45 <tagoh> hi
05:05:23 <dueno> hi
05:05:39 <tagoh> this is a first meeting after moving into f15 devel cycle.
05:06:39 <juhp> yes
05:06:51 <tagoh> this is just a call as usual, also as send a notice, please add any topics there if you have anything you want to talk/dicsuss in the meeting
05:07:30 <tagoh> anyone else here who would join the meeting?
05:07:32 <juhp> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/15/Schedule
05:07:54 <tagoh> thanks
05:08:16 <tagoh> ok, let's get started.
05:08:23 <juhp> I guess the guys in India are on holiday today
05:08:28 <tagoh> #topic F15
05:08:36 <tagoh> juhp: ok, thanks
05:10:38 <tagoh> so the schedule is still in the draft, we have 2 or 3 months for devel though, it may be necessarily not enough time to do something. particularly if you are going to propose any features.
05:10:53 <juhp> I was trying to install rawhide the other day again but keep running into kernel panics on first boot
05:11:04 <tagoh> aha
05:11:39 <juhp> not to mention all the dependency breakage still there I think
05:12:02 <juhp> dunno if we are planning features for F15?
05:12:23 <tagoh> guess not so far?
05:12:41 <juhp> at least still some time for alpha... :)
05:13:09 <juhp> sometimes feels like alpha is just round the corner after release...
05:13:21 <juhp> so time for some development hopefully
05:13:44 <tagoh> guess low activities during the year end though
05:13:52 <juhp> true
05:14:12 <juhp> interesting dates at bottom
05:14:14 <juhp> Gnome 3.0 -- April 6, 2011
05:14:14 <juhp> KDE 4.6 -- January 26, 2011
05:14:35 <tagoh> aha
05:15:24 <tagoh> as pointed out in the past, we may need some works for gtk3 migration if any.
05:15:49 <juhp> yes right
05:16:06 <tagoh> not yet estimated how many packages we have for that
05:16:30 <tagoh> I know I have some at least though ;)
05:17:06 <tagoh> anyway, good to start working on that if you have.
05:18:23 <juhp> yeah I hope f15 will be installable before alpha :)
05:18:33 <tagoh> is it good to file a bug to keep in track? desktop team may do it? dunno.
05:18:55 <juhp> yes I think so - guess there are a few already?
05:19:05 <tagoh> aha
05:19:13 <juhp> I mean for gnome-shell at least
05:19:22 <tagoh> ok
05:20:29 <juhp> might have been moved to F14 in bz though
05:21:04 <tagoh> ok
05:21:30 <tagoh> guess better move on unless if anything else
05:21:57 <tagoh> #topic Package Updates
05:22:24 <tagoh> so anyone has anything for your updates?
05:23:08 <juhp> wish there were an easy way to track updates that need our attention
05:23:24 <tagoh> you have a time to discuss any particular issues you are facing on fonts or IM in later section though :)
05:25:24 <juhp> hmm bodhi does not show status of updates in search results
05:26:06 <juhp> we should probably list all our current i18n updates so we know
05:26:22 <tagoh> good idea
05:27:02 <tagoh> but dunno if there are any better way to get all.
05:27:09 <juhp> noone has any?
05:28:03 <tagoh> apparently we have more bugs since last meeting, we should have some updates in near future.
05:28:05 <juhp> yeah I don't see either - really need some tool for that
05:28:14 <juhp> ok :)
05:29:12 <tagoh> move on and see some bugs progress in next.
05:29:20 <tagoh> #topic Fonts
05:30:09 <tagoh> 7 bugs newly coming in.
05:31:42 <tagoh> 1 for taipeifonts, 6 for lohit?
05:33:07 <tagoh> guess we'll see any progress till next meeting since no one from India is in the meeting today.
05:34:34 <tagoh> ok, move on
05:34:41 <tagoh> #topic Input methods
05:35:14 <tagoh> anything for IM?
05:35:24 <juhp> .bug 648059
05:35:26 <zodbot> juhp: Bug 648059 upgrade path f13 → f14 is broken - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=648059
05:35:29 <juhp> hmm
05:35:42 <juhp> (taipaifonts)
05:36:00 <tagoh> right. just need to push an update on bodhi?
05:36:04 <juhp> (anyway nice to see people using more unicode:)
05:36:20 <juhp> yeah maybe I should do it - well dchen is away today too
05:36:51 <fujiwarat> I added a document about ibus-anthy in Documentation_I18n_Beat .
05:37:04 <juhp> aha
05:37:57 <tagoh> .bug 649063
05:37:59 <zodbot> tagoh: Bug 649063 work with libnotify 0.7.0 - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=649063
05:38:01 <tagoh> .bug 648803
05:38:04 <zodbot> tagoh: Bug 648803 Keyboard fail (partly but severely) and VMWare Workstation 7.1 crash after ibus-anthy-1.2.4-2.fc13.x86_64 installation (via 'Software Update') - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=648803
05:38:08 <tagoh> .bug 647852
05:38:12 <zodbot> tagoh: Bug 647852 [abrt] imsettings-0.108.1-2.fc15: pthread_mutex_lock: Process /usr/libexec/im-settings-daemon was killed by signal 11 (SIGSEGV) - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=647852
05:38:15 <tagoh> .bug 647455
05:38:17 <zodbot> tagoh: Bug 647455 [abrt] ibus-1.3.6-1.fc13: magazine_chain_pop_head: Process /usr/bin/python was killed by signal 11 (SIGSEGV) - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=647455
05:39:23 <fujiwarat> 649063 is fixed and upstreamed.
05:39:38 <fujiwarat> 648803 is no way to be reproduced.
05:39:51 <fujiwarat> 647455 is no way to be reproduced.
05:40:56 <tagoh> fujiwarat: guess you're talking about different bug for libnotify :) 649063 is for imsettings.
05:41:42 <fujiwarat> you're right.
05:42:11 <tagoh> anyway, working on it now.
05:44:04 <tagoh> fujiwarat: ok, thanks for updates. hopefully we'll see some updates from the bug reporter soon.
05:45:00 <juhp> hm quite a lot of abrt bugs - mostly f13
05:47:05 <tagoh> yeah, may be good to have some times to triage them once. guess some might be closed as dup
05:47:51 <juhp> right
05:48:12 <juhp> also good time to triage F14 bugs vs rawhide say
05:48:27 <tagoh> yep
05:48:38 <juhp> paragan was planning to do a IM bug day too
05:48:55 <juhp> perhaps we could discuss that next week
05:48:57 <tagoh> and for f12 as in next agenda
05:49:13 <tagoh> aha. sounds nice
05:49:18 <tagoh> #topic F12 bugs cleanup
05:49:25 * juhp submitted https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/taipeifonts-1.2-12.fc14
05:50:13 <tagoh> since f14 was out, it's good time to re-visit f12 bugs, considering them to change the target for getting them fixed.
05:51:49 <juhp> yes
05:51:49 <tagoh> we could also go looking at them in next meeting, but would be appreciated if you help to test/check if it's fixed in the latest. otherwise moving up to the target version.
05:52:05 <juhp> +1
05:52:47 <tagoh> that's all in the proposed agenda if I'm not missing anything.
05:53:10 <tagoh> anything else you want to talk/discuss about in the meeting?
05:53:37 <tagoh> otherwise let's close the meeting shortly.
05:54:13 * juhp will try to really finish that emacs-lookup review soon... :)
05:54:26 <tagoh> cool
05:55:36 <juhp> tagoh: btw I remembered/realised the fonts and im bz urls are for NEW bugs
05:55:53 <tagoh> oh?
05:56:30 <tagoh> hmm, that should be always copied from the previous meeting
05:56:31 <juhp> might be filtering too much - well I think idea was to encourage people to look at the new bugs or move them off the radar
05:56:42 <juhp> yeah
05:56:48 <juhp> not new
05:57:08 <juhp> perhaps should include ASSIGNED at least too
05:57:37 <tagoh> so may be good to have all and NEW similarly to i18n bugs per releases?
05:57:46 <juhp> just remembered since I was puzzling why a bug was not listed...
05:57:57 <juhp> tagoh: sure
05:58:08 <tagoh> ok
05:58:17 <tagoh> let me update later
05:58:29 <juhp> thanks
05:59:46 <tagoh> ok, gonna running out a time. thanks everyone for the meeting. if you have any, always good to bring up in #fedora-i18n say on IRC or the list.
06:00:40 <tagoh> #endmeeting