00:00:59 #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings 00:00:59 Meeting started Thu Nov 11 00:00:59 2010 UTC. The chair is Sparks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 00:00:59 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 00:00:59 #meetingname Fedora Docs 00:00:59 #topic Roll Call 00:00:59 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_docs' 00:01:27 * Gearoid is here 00:01:31 * jjmcd 00:01:31 * jhradilek is here. 00:01:41 * bcotton is here-ish 00:01:59 * rudi is here 00:02:28 * nb 00:03:38 * Sparks is here 00:03:55 #chair jjmcd rudi bcotton Gearoid nb jhradilek 00:03:55 Current chairs: Gearoid Sparks bcotton jhradilek jjmcd nb rudi 00:05:19 wow, lots of chairs! 00:05:26 and no tables 00:05:28 Hmmm 00:05:33 Okay, lets get started 00:05:44 #table Sparks 00:05:55 Heh. 00:05:58 wow 00:06:11 #topic Follow up on last week's action items 00:06:20 I would fall of my chair if that actually worked. 00:06:32 #action Sparks to add creating and publishing links to the Docs wiki page 00:06:40 Sparks to bring to the Docs list the subject of a replacement for him for Docs Project lead. **Completed** 00:06:48 nb to get the Bugzilla owners.list sync script fixed to use git. 00:07:08 Sparks, tis done 00:07:21 /git/docs/owners.git 00:07:21 awesome 00:07:35 rudi to add "get a bugzilla component" to the "Creating a new Guide" page http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Creating_a_new_guide 00:07:50 Not done -- I need to talk to you about that after the meeting 00:07:58 (and organise a new BZ component as well) 00:08:16 #action rudi to add "get a bugzilla component" to the "Creating a new Guide" page http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Creating_a_new_guide 00:08:19 rudi: No problem 00:09:05 Okay, that's all the old business... moving on 00:09:15 #topic Docs Project leader elections 00:09:23 #info Voting to take place on 17 November. 00:09:30 Just a little history here 00:10:19 When I took this position a couple of years ago I told everyone that I'd offer up my seat every November just after the release to see if there was anyone else that wanted to have the job 00:10:57 It is usually a good thing to get new people in with new ideas. 00:12:07 I've tried to run the Project by letting other people's ideas be used simply because I don't, and won't ever, have all the answers nor will all the answers I have be correct. 00:12:39 So with that being said, is there anyone that would like to nominate someone or would like to volunteer for this position? 00:12:51 point of clarification 00:13:10 bcotton: Go 00:13:29 sparks: are you willing to continue service as docs lead, or do you prefer to abdicate? 00:14:10 I am willing to continue 00:14:20 jhradilek, lol when they said #table i should have made the bot say that it added him as a table 00:14:27 * jjmcd 00:14:57 jjmcd: You have something to say? 00:15:05 Some additional history 00:15:37 Before Sparks took this on, these meetings were held erratically, went on forever, and rarely accomplished anything 00:15:58 The only doc we routinely got out was the release notes, and they were a mad scramble requiring many all nighters 00:16:13 The whole nature of the team has changed 00:16:32 And I don't think its a bad change either ... but 00:16:49 like Eric says, new people mean new ideas and more improvement 00:17:12 And just because you don't feel like you're an old timer doesn't mean you aren't qualified 00:17:24 New blood is a good thing 00:17:29 00:18:09 jjmcd: Thanks for those kind words... 00:18:58 Personally, I would like to see Zach and/or Ben try it 00:19:10 So... anyone want to volunteer or else next week's vote is going to be crazy boring 00:19:17 But Zach isn't here to defend himself 00:19:43 I may sound stupid, but where is the vote going to take place? 00:19:46 Yeah, I think Zach is on an odd schedule? He mentioned something about voting at 2AM or something 00:20:12 Sparks, do we want to use the voting system/ 00:20:13 ? 00:20:19 jhradilek: Well... If we actually do have folks to vote on I'll ask for a ballot system be setup for this election like we do for everything else. 00:20:35 nb: Yeah, that was my thought... that way you don't have to be present to vote. 00:21:11 nb, typically we have trouble drawing suckers ... errr ... candidates 00:21:24 heh 00:23:31 Okay then. 00:23:42 I'm not sure if that's a vote of confidence or a vote of "not me" 00:23:42 :) 00:23:54 sparks: the former, for sure 00:24:23 heh 00:24:50 Okay. I'll take this to the list just to make sure there isn't someone that didn't attend tonight's meeting that might want to run. 00:25:20 #action Sparks to bring nominations up to the Docs list to make sure everyone has a chance to volunteer. 00:25:50 Okay... moving on, then. 00:26:06 #topic Publishing Documentation to the desktop 00:26:27 Comment on this 00:26:31 Okay 00:26:40 jjmcd: Perhaps we should talk about what we are talking about 00:26:59 The documents on docs.fp.o have embedded Javascript. We will draw plenty of bugs if that isn't fixed first 00:28:17 I did file a bug, which needs a response right now, but I don't see that being fixed any time soon 00:28:27 needs a response from me that is 00:28:40 jjmcd -- what's the problem exactly? 00:28:55 The site is designed to fall back gracefully if there's no JS 00:29:08 Many people are violently opposed to enabling javascript 00:29:24 * Sparks was thought this topic was something different 00:29:24 Yeah, and the site falls back gracefully for them 00:29:30 Not only does Publican include js in published docs, but there is no alternative 00:29:44 Not the site, the docs 00:29:48 seems new in 2.3 00:29:59 No -- was introduced in 2.0 IIRC 00:30:09 And it only affects the navigation iframe 00:30:16 No it doesn't 00:30:29 ? 00:30:32 If I recall (and I could be wrong) in 2.0 it was only navigation 00:30:43 But there is JS embedded in every document 00:30:51 Yes 00:31:01 There has been since 2.0 00:31:15 and then (and now) it only affects the iframe embedded in the doc 00:31:28 If you have JS turned off, it does not affect the presentation of the doc at all 00:31:36 Only the presententation of the iframe 00:32:12 jjmcd: Okay, are we still talking about providing links to the docs from the desktop? 00:32:12 I think that is correct. 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