16:00:01 <jlaska> #startmeeting Fedora QA meeting
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16:00:06 <jlaska> #meetingname fedora-qa
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16:00:13 <jlaska> #topic Gathering
16:00:16 * kparal up and running
16:00:18 * fenris02 waves
16:00:40 * thomasj lurking
16:00:46 * Viking-Ice comes charging in armed with bacon..
16:00:49 * jskladan emerges from the shadows
16:00:49 <jlaska> Hi all ... *very* light agenda today http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-November/095558.html
16:01:14 <jlaska> We'll be without rhe and adamw today
16:01:24 <jlaska> Howdy kparal fenris02 thomasj Viking-Ice jskladan  :)
16:02:05 <jskladan> jlaska: good as always, hope you're all right too
16:02:10 <jlaska> okay, will get started in 30 seconds
16:02:20 * mkrizek is here
16:02:24 <jlaska> jskladan: doing fine ... just the right amount of coffee today :)
16:02:31 * jlaska tips hat to mkrizek
16:03:53 * jlaska looks if wwoods is in the shadows that jskladan was lurking in
16:04:08 <jlaska> #topic Previous meeting follow-up
16:04:18 <jlaska> This is a quick one ... I had no recorded action items from last week
16:04:31 <jlaska> I have a standing item to organize the retrospective feedback, but I'll save that for next
16:04:46 <jlaska> anything I missed that folks want to hilight from last week?
16:05:12 <jlaska> if not ... let's dive into the agenda
16:05:21 <jlaska> #topic F-14 QA Retrospective last call
16:05:33 <jlaska> I had this there last week ... fully intending to not say much more on the topic
16:05:38 <jlaska> but we continue to get more feedback
16:05:42 <jlaska> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_14_QA_Retrospective
16:06:10 <jlaska> As I mentioned earlier, I have an open item to organize this feedback into an actionable list of tasks open to anyone
16:06:31 <jlaska> For folks who remember, we followed the same process for F-13 ... so there won't be any surprises
16:06:41 <jlaska> so ... feel free to jot down any more ideas
16:06:51 <jlaska> A good one landed today from Spot regarding the autoqa 'upgradepath' test
16:07:10 <jlaska> and running in batch against the release milestones as we did in F-14-Final for repoclosure
16:07:19 <jlaska> more discussion on the wiki for that
16:07:25 <kparal> ah, good idea
16:07:46 <jlaska> certainly only a problem while we're still in the permissive phase of the 'update criteria' tests
16:07:48 <fenris02> upgrade from $N-1 or $N-2 or both?
16:08:14 <jlaska> fenris02: iirc, kparal can correct me, but it will test from N-2 to rawhide
16:08:23 <jlaska> ensuring that upgradepath in 'updates' is maintained
16:08:24 <fenris02> whoah. neat
16:08:34 <jlaska> it's been running for some time now, and catching failures
16:08:44 <fenris02> is it reporting them anywhere?
16:08:46 <jlaska> but we've only been sending results to autoqa-results@lists.fedorahosted.org
16:08:54 * fenris02 nods
16:08:59 <jlaska> that will be changing soon ... but mkrizek can talk more about that shortly
16:09:00 <kparal> upgradepath ensures all the releases are fine at once
16:09:16 <jlaska> anything else folks want to add on the F14 QA retrospective?
16:09:25 <jlaska> we've got a lot of good ideas and trouble areas on the wiki
16:09:28 <jlaska> plenty to build on for F-15
16:10:01 <jlaska> #topic QA and Docs team cooperation
16:10:16 <jlaska> Sparks mentioned this topic last week ... and I neglected to include it in the meeting agenda I sent to the list
16:10:19 <jlaska> Sparks: around?
16:10:47 <jlaska> if I understand, his comments were around "testing" of the official release documentation
16:11:16 <jlaska> I don't know much about testing documentation, other than reading it for accuracy, but perhaps I can pull in some folks who are more skilled in docs verification
16:11:50 <Viking-Ice> probably means to test whats written
16:12:06 <jlaska> In a similar context as the qa retrospective, I'd love to learn more about what types of issues/problems surfaced that demand improved QA engagement
16:12:11 <jlaska> Viking-Ice: yeah, that could very well be it
16:12:44 <jlaska> iirc, during F-12 (or was it F-11) we had a test event around installation following the posted installation guidelines
16:12:55 <jlaska> where 'test event' was a request to the list iirc, I could be wrong though
16:13:26 <jlaska> so anyway ... Sparks & I can catch up more later.  But if anyone has ideas on ways to improve this ... toss them into the QA retrospective wiki
16:13:57 <jlaska> kparal: I was about to jump to open discussion ... but do you want to bring up any AutoQA topics first?
16:14:32 <kparal> well
16:14:42 <jlaska> #topic AutoQA revisited
16:14:49 <kparal> I can announce the roadmap
16:15:06 <kparal> we try to organize a little better and make even some future plans!
16:15:13 <kparal> therefore I created https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AutoQA_Roadmap
16:15:39 <kparal> it's just a proposal for now. but interested people can have a look at it what features we plan to bring you and when
16:16:05 <jsmith> Oooh, I like it :-)
16:16:12 <jlaska> kparal: yeah, nice format
16:16:20 <jlaska> and that reminds me ... I need to get cracking on packaging 0.4.3 :)
16:16:40 <kparal> apart from that, mkrizek is working hard on posting bodhi comments from autoqa tests
16:16:48 <jlaska> kparal: everything is in 'master' that you want, right?
16:17:04 <kparal> jlaska: correct, I think you can create a release from the current HEAD
16:17:47 <jlaska> #info Draft AutoQA roadmap available at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AutoQA_Roadmap
16:18:05 <jlaska> #info mkrizek working on bodhi comment support for AutoQA tests
16:18:27 <kparal> well, that's all for today I think. expect more next week, we are slowly coming into speed :)
16:19:08 <thomasj> I like your work
16:19:27 <jlaska> I've got a few thoughts I'm attempting to organize from the installer folks on how we can build some forward momentum around AutoQA and installation testing
16:20:26 <jlaska> I'm attempting to organize ideas on the wiki ... definitely in draft shape at this point https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jlaska/Fedora_15_Installation_automation_ideas
16:21:18 <jlaska> kparal: I don't know about you ... but exciting to have AutoQA back as the focus
16:21:27 <jlaska> these darn releases are so needy for testing :)
16:21:43 <kparal> yes, I like working on it again
16:21:51 <jlaska> Alrighty ... I guess it's open discussion time
16:22:09 <jlaska> #topic Open Discussion - <your topic here>
16:22:20 <jlaska> Anything not already discussed that folks would like to bring attention to?
16:22:53 * kparal notes: don't be mistaken, we don't create AutoQA so that we can test Fedora. we release Fedora so that we can have something AutoQA can test :)
16:23:42 <jlaska> AutoQA is a hungry beast and it needs feeding :)
16:24:52 <jlaska> alright ... if no other topics ... we'll close out in 2 minutes
16:26:22 <jlaska> 30 seconds ... <queue jeopardy theme music>
16:27:16 <jlaska> alright, I think we're done today
16:27:18 <jlaska> thanks all for your time
16:27:34 <jlaska> I'll follow-up with minutes to the list later today
16:27:35 <jlaska> #endmeeting