05:07:32 <tagoh> #startmeeting i18n
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05:07:38 <tagoh> #meetingname i18n
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05:07:44 <tagoh> #topic agenda
05:07:55 <juhp> hi
05:08:07 <tagoh> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2010-11-25
05:08:20 <dueno_> hi
05:08:22 <tagoh> hi, sorry for a bit late starting
05:08:25 <paragan> hi
05:08:43 <epico_laptop> hi
05:09:27 <tagoh> let's get started quickly
05:09:46 <tagoh> #topic F15
05:10:03 <tagoh> as you may know, the schedule has been updated.
05:10:27 <juhp> aha
05:10:49 <tagoh> we still have a little time for feature submission
05:11:59 <dingyichen> hi
05:12:36 * juhp ponders which .ics file...
05:12:56 <juhp> devel I guess
05:14:21 <tagoh> any concerns on f15 so far?
05:15:07 <juhp> tagoh: we were talking about font priority tool feature...
05:15:18 <juhp> should we work on that perhaps?
05:15:47 <tagoh> aha. yep. sounds nice though
05:15:59 <juhp> I am not completely sure about feasibility - but seems it ought to be
05:16:32 <tagoh> well, we could set a small milestone perhaps
05:16:41 <juhp> yes
05:17:03 <juhp> hm, perhaps we could work on it together?
05:17:33 <juhp> well unless you or someone wants to do it :)
05:17:58 <tagoh> sure. roughly think of it it may has some concerns but we could discuss about it more.
05:18:07 <juhp> okay
05:18:13 <juhp> sure
05:18:35 <juhp> seems a while anyway since we had a i18n Feature
05:18:45 <tagoh> yep
05:19:23 <tagoh> we'll have a feature page for ibus too right?
05:20:09 <juhp> perhaps - that might depend on scope
05:20:21 <juhp> well dunno
05:20:23 <juhp> fujiwarat: ?
05:21:12 <juhp> we could have a draft anyway and see if it looks substantial enough to be a feature
05:22:01 <tagoh> sure
05:22:45 <fujiwarat> juhp: Shall we have a wiki page on fedoraproject?
05:23:47 <epico_laptop> ibus is applied on https://fedorahosted.org/ibus/, it seems not used yet.
05:24:59 <tagoh> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Policy would helps?
05:25:00 <juhp> epico_laptop: yeah that was kind of a placeholder - it should probably be removed now...
05:25:37 <juhp> fujiwarat: yes that would be good I guess - do you want to start it?
05:25:41 <epico_laptop> juhp: ok
05:26:02 <juhp> tagoh: ah yes
05:26:14 <fujiwarat> Yeah, I mean https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/InputMethods
05:26:48 <fujiwarat> Probably we can update the Development section.
05:26:50 <juhp> fujiwarat: well think we need to document somewhere what needs to be done to ibus for gnome3
05:27:18 <tagoh> fujiwarat: so not worth describing as a feature?
05:27:33 <juhp> if it is a lot of work it could be Feature otherwise maybe a tracking bug or something would be appropriate
05:28:37 <fujiwarat> Actually I don't mind to use any methods. Probably we need compile the AI list at first.
05:30:00 <juhp> fujiwarat: right
05:31:06 <fujiwarat> juhp: clutter still doesn't work in my env but it seems ibus works with gnome-shell. I'll talk with you later what is the problem.
05:31:09 <juhp> so is wiki better or bugzilla?
05:31:16 <juhp> fujiwarat: ok
05:31:42 <pravin_s> hi all
05:32:14 <tagoh> if we have gnome3 transition in f15 (not yet so far in the accepted list though), this task might be a blocker since we have no contingency plan for this..
05:32:45 <juhp> true
05:32:47 <tagoh> though the minimal change has been done to provide gtk3 immodule?
05:33:00 <juhp> right it is there since f14
05:33:10 <fujiwarat> Yes, I think ibus-gtk3 works fine.
05:33:16 <juhp> yes
05:33:44 <juhp> f15 seems pretty much moved to gtk3 now, well not completely
05:34:03 <juhp> gnome I mean
05:34:10 <tagoh> yep
05:34:13 <tagoh> ok, anything else?
05:34:25 <juhp> not sure about firefox - probably not?
05:34:42 <tagoh> dunno
05:34:58 <juhp> well main issue I see currently is the applet is down in the notification area and not up on the panel
05:35:15 <juhp> probably not that hard to fix
05:35:22 <fujiwarat> Yes, I agree it should be fixed.
05:36:06 <tagoh> good to file a bug if it's not known. and see how it's going.
05:36:09 <tagoh> let's move on
05:36:26 <tagoh> #topic Package Updates
05:37:13 <tagoh> any new updates you need some volunteers?
05:38:23 <juhp> ok I can file a bug
05:39:27 <tagoh> nothing? :)
05:40:13 <tagoh> then, shall we move on?
05:40:43 <tagoh> #topic F12 bugs cleanup
05:41:15 <tagoh> thanks for taking a look into the f12 bugs.
05:42:07 <pravin_s> tagoh: i have fixed one bug yesterday https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=656375
05:42:28 <pravin_s> paktype-fonts-common was not getting remove with upgrade from f12 to f13
05:42:30 <tagoh> still 5 bugs left in f12 though, that would be appreciate if you own or your reported bugs is there, or any volunteers can have a look more
05:43:00 <tagoh> pravin_s: aha.
05:43:45 <pravin_s> i have now make paktype-fonts-common obsolete in both packages paktype-tehreer-fonts, paktype-naqsh-fonts
05:44:14 <tagoh> zodbot: .bug 519317
05:45:55 <tagoh> .bug 519317
05:45:56 <juhp> yeah I looked through most of them - some of them look like insufficientdata or fixed currentrelease type bugs
05:45:57 <zodbot> tagoh: Bug 519317 AR PL UMing HK Light does not show properly in x86_64 - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=519317
05:46:03 <tagoh> .bug 520088
05:46:05 <zodbot> tagoh: Bug 520088 keyboard layout set wrong after installation of F12 Alpha - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=520088
05:46:06 <tagoh> .bug 541451
05:46:09 <tagoh> .bug 546159
05:46:09 <zodbot> tagoh: Bug 541451 [abrt] crash detected in firefox-3.5.5-1.fc12 - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=541451
05:46:12 <tagoh> .bug 569063
05:46:13 <zodbot> tagoh: Bug 546159 Fatal error in "_XError" in /usr/share/ibus/ui/gtk/main.py - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=546159
05:46:17 <zodbot> tagoh: Bug 569063 Ibus language bar remains visible even if IM is deactivated - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=569063
05:46:31 <juhp> dingyichen: can you still reproduce 519317 ?
05:46:52 <juhp> I couldn't reproduce 569063 on F14 earlier
05:46:59 <juhp> not sure f13
05:47:15 <juhp> I suspect more of them can be closed with f12
05:47:46 <tagoh> or should we wait for the bug reporter till it get auto-closed?
05:48:10 <tagoh> unless we don't have the certain data or can't reproduce
05:48:27 <tagoh> erm, s/unless/if/
05:48:47 <juhp> there is one more week?
05:48:53 <tagoh> right
05:49:09 <juhp> well good to triage the rest as far as possible I guess
05:49:18 <dingyichen> juhp, not from my RHEL6
05:49:20 <tagoh> yep
05:49:37 <juhp> at least things that are fixed in f14/rawhide are maybe less of a concern anyway
05:49:45 <juhp> dingyichen: ok
05:50:19 <tagoh> ok
05:51:10 <tagoh> please feel free to add a comment if you have anything for them :)
05:51:16 <tagoh> let's move on
05:51:24 <tagoh> #topic Fonts and Rendering
05:52:04 <tagoh> not too much movements on bugs though, anything you want to bring up here?
05:53:12 <tagoh> since it's getting stalled for a while, we may need to ping on bugs perhaps.
05:53:42 <pravin_s> i have started working on nepali lohit font bugs
05:53:48 <tagoh> cool
05:53:57 <pravin_s> locl tag is working fine in pango
05:54:07 <pravin_s> locl feature of Open Type Fonts
05:54:17 <pravin_s> but it is not working in icu and qt
05:54:32 <tagoh> aha
05:54:56 <pravin_s> behdad in his reply on lohit said, pango is supporting local feature and harfbuzz will also support it in future
05:55:16 <pravin_s> so once icu and qt will start using harfbuzz-ng it will support that as well
05:55:46 <tagoh> any plans to support it do you know?
05:56:24 <pravin_s> no
05:56:35 <tagoh> hm, ok
05:56:40 <pravin_s> but i think we have no options to resolve those bug presently but use locl feature
05:57:04 <pravin_s> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&component=lohit-assamese-fonts&component=lohit-bengali-fonts&component=lohit-devanagari-fonts&component=lohit-gujarati-fonts&component=lohit-kannada-fonts&component=lohit-malayalam-fonts&component=lohit-oriya-fonts&component=lohit-punjabi-fonts&component=lohit-tamil-fonts&component=lohit-telugu-fonts&product=Fedora&classification=Fedo
05:57:04 <pravin_s> ra
05:57:19 <pravin_s> most of these can be solved with locale feature only
05:57:41 <juhp> aha
05:57:53 <pravin_s> tagoh: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=648429
05:58:06 <pravin_s> .bug 648429
05:58:08 <zodbot> pravin_s: Bug 648429 Nepali Language Variant of 5 and 8 devanagari numerals - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=648429
05:58:24 <tagoh> aha
05:58:41 <pravin_s> variant 5, 8 are only specific to nepali language
05:59:01 <pravin_s> tagoh: i hopefully build lohit at the start of next week
05:59:09 <tagoh> ok
05:59:10 <pravin_s> tagoh: thats all from me :)
05:59:18 <tagoh> thanks!
05:59:47 <tagoh> ok, should be the last topic
05:59:51 <tagoh> #topic ibus
06:00:37 <tagoh> how is it going on?
06:02:27 <fujiwarat> I fixed two bugs for ibus-anthy in this week.
06:02:50 <tagoh> cool
06:03:00 <juhp> I just filed bug 657165
06:03:08 <juhp> .bug 657165
06:03:12 <zodbot> juhp: Bug 657165 [gnome3] ibus applet appearing in bottom popup notification area not panel - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=657165
06:03:21 <fujiwarat> thx
06:03:29 <juhp> need to check again it is still happening but guess so
06:03:47 <juhp> left my usb stick at home...
06:04:33 <tagoh> ok, anything else from anyone?
06:04:40 <juhp> of course there is a bigger feature I remember related to xkb switcher feature
06:04:51 <juhp> for gnome3 I mean
06:05:01 <juhp> http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/Guidelines/SystemStatus/InputLanguage
06:05:06 <tagoh> right
06:05:26 <juhp> not sure on the current upstream status - not done yet I suspect?
06:05:26 <tagoh> dunno current status on it though
06:05:42 <tagoh> should we contact upstream for that again?
06:06:19 <juhp> too bad I didn't post a comment yet - I better make a new a/c
06:07:57 <tagoh> ok
06:09:16 <tagoh> we are running out of time a bit. anything else before closing this meeting?
06:09:39 <tagoh> otherwise let's close the meeting shortly
06:11:02 <tagoh> nothing?
06:11:31 <tagoh> ok, thanks everyone for the meeting!
06:11:42 <tagoh> #endmeeting