19:00:39 <stickster> #startmeeting Insight
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19:00:47 <stickster> #meetingname Insight
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19:00:50 <stickster> #topic Roll call!
19:00:58 * stickster 
19:01:09 <stickster> I'll leave roll open for ~3 min -- brb
19:01:13 * jsmith lurks
19:02:52 * asrob too
19:04:15 * stickster looks around for pcalarco, Sparks_too or Sparks, rbergeron, others
19:04:28 <stickster> #chair jsmith asrob
19:04:28 <zodbot> Current chairs: asrob jsmith stickster
19:04:47 <stickster> #topic Agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight#Meeting_agenda
19:05:01 <stickster> #topic Last week's action items
19:05:35 <stickster> asrob: Take a look at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2010-11-18/insight.2010-11-18-19.00.html
19:06:22 <asrob> yep
19:06:24 <stickster> #info stickster's item is done -- Jon Ciesla (limb) put a virtual provides in the Fedora drupal package for 'drupal6'
19:06:56 <asrob> can I start with my action items?
19:07:02 <stickster> asrob: Please do :-)
19:07:07 <asrob> ok
19:07:47 <asrob> 1. I created a block which appears on frontpage
19:08:08 <asrob> it contains FWN contents
19:08:09 <stickster> asrob: That's the "Fedora Weekly News" block at upper right?
19:08:16 <asrob> stickster: yep
19:08:22 <smooge> ok here sort of
19:08:37 <stickster> #info asrob created a FWN block at upper right (#1)
19:09:07 <stickster> asrob: Please feel free to continue! :-)  smooge: Did you have any update on a RHEL6 pt box?
19:09:58 <asrob> 2. hiemanshu created a mockup, I am waiting for you to push it into git repository
19:10:08 <stickster> smooge: That may tie into the status of RHEL 6 rollout in the infrastructure, if you want to refer us to somewhere, that's fine too :-)
19:10:30 <stickster> asrob: Feel free to #info to have the bot record these statuses in the notes. I'll do #2 above for you
19:10:43 <smooge> I am trying to build said box
19:10:54 <smooge> my language is at gafton levels
19:10:57 <asrob> stickster: ok, sorry
19:11:01 <stickster> #info hiemanshu has created a mockup for the theme, asrob needs someone to push it to git (#4)
19:11:19 <stickster> smooge: Uh oh :-)
19:11:40 <stickster> np asrob :-)
19:12:47 <asrob> #info asrob has sent a summarized email but he is looking for the best drupal modules' combination
19:13:08 <asrob> #info asrob has sent a summarized email but he is looking for the best drupal modules' combination (#3)
19:13:17 <Sparks_too> Opps...  I'm here.
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19:15:13 <stickster> #info asrob has sent a summarized email but he is looking for the best drupal modules' combination (#3)\
19:15:31 <stickster> asrob: Note use of "#undo" command -- that can come in handy with zodbot :-)
19:15:35 <stickster> Sparks_too: howdy!
19:15:38 <asrob> stickster: ok
19:15:57 <stickster> asrob: So how's the Data module coming?
19:17:00 <asrob> stickster: I have submitted an updated files, rpmlint, koji outputs...
19:17:03 <asrob> stickster: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=655184#c5
19:17:29 <stickster> #info asrob submitted Data module: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=655184
19:17:34 * rbergeron peeks in too
19:18:16 <stickster> We'll check back in with smooge toward the end of the meeting.
19:18:29 <stickster> #topic Theme
19:18:43 <stickster> I sent some email to the list (logistics) to ask Hiemanshu about getting his mockup pushed.
19:19:13 <stickster> asrob: Had you talked to Jef (schendje) about mockups too?
19:19:56 <asrob> stickster: yeah, he has seen that
19:20:19 * asrob is looking for hiemanshu's mockup, wait a sec
19:20:28 <stickster> If you have it, we can get it into the git repo
19:20:43 <asrob> stickster: http://hiemanshu.fedorapeople.org/insight-mockup.png
19:21:22 <stickster> Hm, other than the footer, though, it doesn't look like it matches our front page in style, though: http://fedoraproject.org
19:22:08 <stickster> I know that Schendje worked on that front page, maybe we should ask him to take a crack at it
19:22:31 <asrob> ok, this would be good
19:22:43 <stickster> asrob: Can I ask you to email him, and cc the logistics list?
19:22:59 <asrob> stickster: sure
19:24:27 <stickster> #action asrob Email Jef (schendje) to ask for help with an additional draft of the mockup that is styled like the fp.o front page
19:24:45 <stickster> #action stickster Send update to list responding to his own question about this :-)
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19:24:52 <stickster> #action stickster Send update to list responding to his own question about the theme :-)
19:25:02 <stickster> OK, anything else on Theme before we move on?
19:25:14 <asrob> nothing
19:25:38 <stickster> #info Sijis also mentioned he could help with theming.
19:25:43 <stickster> OK then...
19:25:56 * stickster looks around and sees Pascal isn't here
19:26:03 <stickster> #topic Views/book display
19:26:18 <stickster> asrob: Did you and pcalarco work together on this at all?
19:26:56 <stickster> One of the things we wanted to do was try and improve the way the collected view of an FWN issue appeared, e.g. http://publictest4.fedoraproject.org/drupal/fwn/248
19:27:47 <asrob> stickster: I am waiting for Pascal's email to what I am doing with this
19:28:10 <stickster> asrob: I can help you with that, at least in part
19:29:00 <stickster> #info The collected view shows a bunch of things that don't need to be on that page, like navigation bars (in each node) and separate node title, date
19:29:08 <asrob> stickster: ok
19:29:24 <stickster> #idea Would be nice to eliminate those unnecessary parts, and (if possible) even get the footnotes to complete at the very bottom instead of each node individually pre-view
19:30:28 <asrob> stickster: can you give me a mockup or something like this? (I am a visual type person)
19:31:00 <stickster> asrob: I'll see what I can do
19:31:07 <asrob> stickster: thank you
19:31:15 <stickster> #action stickster provide some sort of mockup for what we want to see from a FWN issue view
19:31:59 <stickster> asrob: I'd like to learn something about Views as we go through this, so I imagine you could show me a thing or two in IRC
19:32:58 <stickster> #topic Feeds
19:33:07 <stickster> asrob: Tell us about Feeds :-)
19:33:12 <asrob> ;)
19:33:30 <stickster> #info this probably is connected to the "Packaging" topic (nudge, nudge stickster and Sparks_too)
19:34:28 <asrob> as we know Paul and Pascal warn me about that we should use upstream drupal modules
19:35:34 <asrob> that's why I am looking for the drupal modules' best combination
19:36:10 <stickster> asrob: That's right -- upstream modules mean we don't have to take on special maintenance duty.
19:36:22 <asrob> yeah
19:36:45 <stickster> asrob: Also important to notice that each additional package we add means the package maintainer takes on additional duty too... in other words, getting a package into Fedora is one thing, then you have to maintain it, follow the upstream updates and security errata, etc.
19:37:14 <asrob> so I am trying some modules from drupal.org in several combination
19:37:41 <stickster> You've brought in a lot of new packages so far -- and that is *great*. At the same time, each of those packages means more for you to do on a regular basis to maintain those packages for the whole Fedora distribution and community over time.
19:37:54 <stickster> So I want to make sure you're not overloading yourself too much :-)
19:38:21 <asrob> stickster: I will maintain those packages
19:38:28 <asrob> stickster: I don't think so ;)
19:38:44 <stickster> asrob: OK then, that's awesome! :-)
19:39:35 <stickster> asrob: Now just by way of reminder... the purpose of something like Feeds is to allow us to select specific things from RSS, and import them to nodes, do I understand that right?
19:39:38 <pcalarco> Hi folks, sorry I'm late, meeting ran over
19:39:42 <stickster> pcalarco: Welcome!
19:39:45 <stickster> #chair pcalarco
19:39:45 <zodbot> Current chairs: asrob jsmith pcalarco stickster
19:39:50 <asrob> stickster: yes, that's right
19:40:12 <asrob> pcalarco: hi
19:40:54 <stickster> asrob: So where are you in this process now, and do you have any particular problems or issues to report where you could use help, or need a question answered?
19:42:59 <asrob> stickster: I am importing a lot of contents but these things are in "cache"
19:44:23 <pcalarco> what RSS content do we expect to consume?  Fedora Planet posts?  Anything else?
19:44:43 <stickster> pcalarco: Most of the things we might want to report are available via RSS feeds
19:45:09 <pcalarco> stickster: great, thanks for confirmation
19:45:22 <stickster> Things like security updates, Planet, maybe other info
19:46:05 <stickster> asrob: Anything else you want to say about Feeds?
19:46:07 <asrob> stickster: do we want to store on the site?
19:46:20 <asrob> stickster: these contents
19:47:00 <stickster> asrob: We don't want to store "testing" material permanently... but in production, yes -- we would want to have a node in Drupal for a story that's eligible for us to publish
19:47:16 <stickster> asrob: Imagine that someone puts a really good show report, or a piece of interesting news, on the Planet.
19:47:38 <stickster> We may want to select that story and republish it through Insight. But we don't want the whole Planet feed there, that already exists.
19:47:58 <asrob> stickster: ok then this is the hard part of this process
19:48:07 <stickster> Yes :-)
19:48:33 <asrob> stickster: that's why I asked you about custom vs contrib modules
19:49:09 <pcalarco> are all of the posts that appear in the Planet feed explicitly CC:BY licensed?  Meaning, are we allowed to pick and choose that content to republish?
19:49:46 <Sparks_too> I'm not sure anyone agrees to a certain license when they sign up for Planet
19:50:13 <stickster> They don't, we would need to seek the approval of the poster, if they don't explicitly license their content on their blog as either CC BY or CC BY-SA
19:50:24 <pcalarco> okay, thx
19:51:33 <stickster> There might be an argument to be made about how the CLA/FPCA and setting one's feed to publish to the Planet constitutes an agreement to let Fedora relicense, but that's a discussion I don't even want to get into :-)
19:51:52 <asrob> :)
19:53:11 <pcalarco> agreed :)
19:53:25 <stickster> asrob: So regarding your earlier point about custom v. contrib modules -- to the greatest extent, we want to use "stock"/"contrib" modules for this functionality, and set them up as required.
19:54:03 <asrob> stickster: I see
19:54:09 <stickster> asrob: But if we need to have some custom code to do this properly, so be it -- but we need to be prepared to maintain that code ourselves. So if you run into a problem where that's required, that's an issue you would bring to the list so we can discuss it
19:54:45 <asrob> stickster: ok
19:55:14 <stickster> #idea We should also talk about packaging status
19:55:22 <stickster> Sparks_too: thanks for helping with reviews of packages
19:55:37 <Sparks_too> stickster: Yeah, I can probably do another one or two this weekend
19:56:04 <stickster> Sparks_too: I ran into some difficulties with at least one of the packages, which was missing dependencies among other issues
19:56:32 <stickster> Sparks_too: One way to identify those is to look at the <module>.info file in the module
19:57:12 <Sparks_too> stickster: Yeah, I'll have to take a closer look.
19:58:23 <stickster> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=658989 <-- that's the bug I filed, but I notice that we have this new package review bug available to help resolve it...
19:58:26 <stickster> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=659005
19:59:18 <stickster> #action Sparks_too and stickster to continue working on open drupal module package reviews
19:59:31 <stickster> I think that about does it for today, we're at the end of our hour
19:59:39 <stickster> Shall we retire to #fedora-mktg for anything else?
19:59:45 <asrob> nothing
19:59:52 <asrob> thank you guys
20:00:20 <stickster> As people have questions/issues, please use the logistics list to make them known!
20:00:22 <pcalarco> sounds good!
20:00:25 <stickster> Thanks everyone for coming :-)
20:00:30 <stickster> #endmeeting