19:01:29 <stickster> #startmeeting Insight (Agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight#Meeting_agenda)
19:01:29 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Dec  9 19:01:29 2010 UTC.  The chair is stickster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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19:01:33 <stickster> #meetingname Insight
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19:01:39 <stickster> #topic Roll call!
19:01:51 <pcalarco> pcalarco is here
19:01:58 * Schendje-2 too :)
19:02:01 * asrob too
19:02:39 * stickster (obviously)
19:02:44 * Schendje-2 is trying out irssi for the first time, you might see some failed commands flying around
19:02:49 <stickster> #chair pcalarco Schendje-2 asrob
19:02:49 <zodbot> Current chairs: Schendje-2 asrob pcalarco stickster
19:03:37 <stickster> #info present: asrob stickster Schendje-2 pcalarco
19:03:47 <stickster> #topic Last week's action items
19:03:51 <gholms> You get presents?
19:03:52 <stickster> #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-12-02/insight.2010-12-02-19.00.html
19:04:22 <stickster> asrob: Since we saw Jef's new mockups, I know you're 1 for 1!
19:04:31 <stickster> #info 1 -- done
19:04:35 <asrob> ;)
19:04:59 <stickster> #info 2 -- done
19:05:04 <stickster> #info 3 -- not done
19:05:16 <stickster> #action stickster provide some sort of mockup for what we want to see from a FWN issue view
19:05:35 <stickster> Sorry I didn't get to this -- my week has been full of RHEL and left me very little spare hours :-(
19:05:45 <stickster> I'll attempt it tomorrow if I can
19:05:56 <stickster> #info 4 -- slow progress, not done
19:06:02 <stickster> We'll talk about #4 later on in the meeting
19:06:17 <stickster> OK, with that...
19:06:28 <stickster> #topic Packaging
19:07:05 <tibbs> I note there are loads of drupal6-* packages in the review queue.
19:07:09 <stickster> I put a link on the wiki that links to a bugzilla list of package reviews. pcalarco -- you asked a good question about this and I responded on list.
19:07:16 <tibbs> Is there a tracker for insight-related reviews?
19:07:27 <pcalarco> stickster: yes, thanks for that stickster
19:07:37 <stickster> tibbs: There isn't, but I'm thinking there should be. I'm not sure all of those are Insight, but the majority of them likely are.
19:08:36 <stickster> tibbs: Do we need to assign such a tracker to someone?
19:09:17 <jsmith> stickster: FWIW, I made the mistake of packaging up a couple of the Drupal modules, only to find out they'd already been packaged
19:09:18 <tibbs> I think the presence of the tracker is sufficient; folks who want to keep informed of the tickets can CC themselves on the tracker.
19:09:34 <tibbs> I'd just like to see those review tickets get taken care of at some point.
19:09:51 <jsmith> stickster: Christoph Wickert started to review the packages, but then got caught up in the Drupal rename thing, and didn't know where to take it from there
19:09:59 <stickster> tibbs: Yes, Sparks and I want to work on them if we can find cycles. I think we should also put some word out for help.
19:10:03 <tibbs> The oldest is from October, though, so it's not been caught up in the "clean up all the old tickets" work I've been doing.
19:10:28 <stickster> jsmith: I think the Drupal rename has been taken care of at this point -- people will call packages "drupal6-<modulename>" and require "drupal6" or "drupal6 >= 6.0" or the like.
19:11:02 <stickster> #info limb (Jon Ciesla maintainer) has put a virtual Provides in the Fedora "drupal" package so that it provides "drupal6" just like the EPEL package.
19:11:27 <gholms> Thank you!
19:11:27 <tibbs> There are still a few rename requests in the queue as well.
19:12:13 <stickster> Hm, xchat-gnome misbehaving on me. Sorry about that.
19:12:34 <tibbs> I'm willing to help review things (though I know zilch about drupal) but unless something becomes high priority I'll not get to it for another month or so.
19:12:45 <stickster> tibbs: Rename reviews should be pretty easy for people who are working on this team
19:13:04 <stickster> AFAIK those are things like -cck, -views, etc. which have been provided for some time in Fedora
19:13:59 <tibbs> Anyway, the last thing I want is for this whole effort to stall out on package reviews.
19:14:08 <stickster> #info The rename package reviews for -cck, -views, etc. would also make a good template for new packages to go by.
19:15:13 <stickster> tibbs: Agreed. I can't deny that we could use the help -- I am really pressed for extra Fedora time in my new role. But tbh, drupal module package reviews are not too hard so I should be able to do more than I've been doing.
19:15:23 <stickster> I just can't do them *all* :-)
19:16:15 <tibbs> Surely there are others who can do them.  If someone identifies a few which need doing first, I can take a look.
19:16:20 * nirik notes he has a topic for open floor when it gets to that too. ;)
19:16:29 <stickster> nirik: Thanks, will do!
19:16:58 <stickster> tibbs: The rename reviews probably need doing quickly since "views," "cck" for example are required
19:17:19 <stickster> tibbs: Our original module list is found here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Insight_customizations_to_Drupal#General_changes
19:17:21 <tibbs> OK, I'll look when next I have free time.
19:17:37 <stickster> tibbs: A bunch of the additional ones are there to support Feeds, which asrob is working on
19:17:58 <stickster> We'll need them eventually but not necessarily in the first rollout.
19:18:13 <stickster> well, eventually = "NTH in the next 30 days"
19:18:38 <stickster> asrob: Do you agree that would work OK? We can get along with unpackaged stuff until then, as long as we know it's coming.
19:18:49 <asrob> stickster: I do
19:19:24 <stickster> #info stickster will continue to look for cycles to do more package reviews
19:19:57 <stickster> #action stickster Sparks work on whittling down package reviews, starting with the list from the Insight customization wiki page
19:20:08 <stickster> tibbs: Thanks for anything you feel you can do.
19:20:31 <stickster> Anything else on packaging? Else we'll go on to theme and hand the mic to Schendje-2 :-)
19:20:58 <asrob> nothing
19:21:08 <stickster> #topic Theme
19:21:16 <stickster> Schendje-2: Take it away!
19:21:32 <Schendje-2> so, what do you all think about the mockup so far? :)
19:21:46 <pcalarco> very nice indeed; great work!
19:22:01 <Schendje-2> i'm just putting in some filler content for now
19:22:08 <asrob> yeah, it's awesome
19:22:15 <Schendje-2> if everyone's satisfied with the basic structure we can soon start building it
19:22:20 <stickster> Schendje-2: I sent a couple suggestions to the list
19:22:34 <Schendje-2> stickster: yep i saw them, i'll respond in a few hours :)
19:22:35 <stickster> Just in the last hour as I was catching up to email
19:22:38 <stickster> No problem
19:22:54 <Schendje-2> can i begin theming myself?
19:23:10 <Schendje-2> i've cloned the repo
19:23:12 <stickster> Sure! Do you have group membership in the fedora-insight-theme repo already?
19:23:20 <Schendje-2> stickster: *think* so, yes
19:23:26 * stickster looks
19:24:28 <stickster> Yup, I see you there. :-) You should be able to work away and push as needed
19:24:44 <Schendje-2> stickster: ok, cool, i'll start after i'm satisfied with the mockup
19:24:55 <Schendje-2> if anyone has any suggestions for content / menu items / etc, please tell me
19:25:18 <stickster> Schendje-2: Is the HEAD for the repo already been switched over to Drupal-ish content?
19:25:24 <Schendje-2> the more i know the easier it is to design
19:25:37 <Schendje-2> stickster: err... i'm not sure
19:25:59 * stickster looks and thinks that it has *something* Drupal-ish there, but it's really just a barebones CSS
19:26:08 <stickster> That may be what asrob started with, which is no problem
19:26:26 <stickster> Schendje-2: asrob: You may want to start with the content of the ninesixty theme, and work from there
19:26:35 <stickster> http://drupal.org/project/ninesixty
19:26:41 <asrob> yeah, I have created and pushed a Ninesixty's sub-theme
19:26:50 <stickster> Oh, cool
19:26:58 <stickster> Then you can just make a subtheme that refers back to Ninesixty
19:27:08 <Schendje-2> oh, so it's just the css file?
19:27:25 <Schendje-2> stickster: does the fedora.info file do this?
19:27:33 <asrob> yep
19:27:34 <stickster> asrob: I see, yeah! Schendje-2: Right, asrob has done that!
19:27:35 <stickster> Cool!
19:27:43 <Schendje-2> ok, great
19:28:01 <Schendje-2> well i don't have much more to say about the theme, i'll just continue working and provide some feedback on the list :)
19:28:27 <Schendje-2> to anyone willing: feel free to take the sources and run with them, i'm open for anything
19:28:31 <stickster> Schendje-2: Thanks much for your help -- it does look good thus far!
19:28:42 <Schendje-2> i'm glad you like it!
19:28:57 <asrob> Schendje-2: styles/styles.css contains the Ninesixty's base css as you can see if you will look into that
19:29:02 <stickster> Schendje-2: Feel free to stop in #fedora-mktg and ask for feedback at any time
19:29:32 <Schendje-2> asrob: yes, i'll have a look and see if i can make some sense out of it, thanks
19:29:38 <asrob> Schendje-2: np
19:30:11 <stickster> Anything else on theming then?
19:30:34 <Schendje-2> not from me
19:30:41 <asrob> nothing
19:30:45 <stickster> #action Schendje will continue working on theme mockup and ask for feedback as needed
19:30:58 <stickster> #topic Views/Book combo
19:31:31 <stickster> pcalarco: This is your and asrob's topic I think. But I believe you're waiting for some sort of mockup of what that combined book view should look like.
19:32:02 <asrob> stickster: you are right
19:32:21 <pcalarco> stickster: yes, if we could work on this once the theme is in place, it won't take much time, I think
19:33:13 <stickster> pcalarco: It won't take long for me to indicate what I'd like to see
19:33:24 <stickster> It's not even very complicated -- just eliminating some of the repetitive stuff per node in the view
19:34:15 <pcalarco> I thought we could probably work on the one-page view in the meantime, documented on the project plan page and pointing to this: http://drupal.org/node/614882#comment-2266600
19:34:25 <stickster> I might need your and asrob's help to figure out how we should capture that customization in a way that it can be replicated in the event of a server rebuild.
19:35:11 <pcalarco> this would be the consolidated book view with all of the nav stripped out and such; thanks for whomever found that comment
19:35:17 <stickster> pcalarco: Ah, I see -- that looks like relevant instructions, for sure -- but maybe without the Node: Title
19:35:22 <asrob> stickster: have to we use the book module?
19:35:41 <stickster> asrob: Not necessarily, because the navigation in the book is too "heavy" for FWN
19:35:54 <pcalarco> asrob: no, we just started with that, not knowing if there was a better way
19:36:03 <stickster> pcalarco++
19:36:22 <asrob> stickster: I see
19:37:01 <stickster> pcalarco: There is another possibility, which is that the fwnbeat content type needs to be rethought very slightly.
19:37:18 <stickster> IIRC, we provide a custom function that fills in "FWN <N>: <beatname>" for the title, right?
19:37:51 * stickster thimks
19:38:40 <pcalarco> stickster: yes, I think that's right
19:39:44 <stickster> Yeah: http://fedorapeople.org/gitweb?p=pfrields/public_git/drupal-fedora-hooks.git;a=blob_plain;f=fedora.module;hb=HEAD
19:40:46 * stickster steps back... let's not rethink too much at this stage. If I come up with an alternate way to make the titling work better, I'll email the list
19:41:10 <asrob> stickster: oh no
19:41:28 <asrob> stickster: there is a good way for this
19:41:33 <stickster> asrob: ?
19:41:57 <asrob> stickster: wait a sec
19:42:41 <stickster> asrob: Let's save the meeting time for stuff on the agenda, and we can dither over this right afterward -- I'm not going to disappear :-)
19:43:00 <stickster> pcalarco: So basically, you and asrob are going to use those instructions to work up a better one-page view?
19:43:16 <pcalarco> stickster: yes, that sounds good
19:43:21 <asrob> stickster: custom node.tpl.php, don't print $title
19:43:34 <asrob> stickster: http://drupal.org/node/937920
19:43:50 <stickster> #action pcalarco asrob use instructions in link a few lines above to provide a better one-page view
19:44:24 <stickster> asrob: yes -- but I'm concerned about how to host that custom template. Can we simply provide that in a module and it will be incorporated by Drupal?
19:44:43 <stickster> I don't want to have unpackaged files floating around on the server if we can avoid it
19:45:13 <stickster> Because if the server gets zapped and has to be rebuilt, we want it to come back to its original shape with as little manual work as possible
19:45:19 <asrob> stickster: put custom node.tpl.php into the theme folder
19:45:29 <stickster> asrob: Awesome! If we can do that, then all is well
19:45:53 <asrob> stickster: I think we can do that ;)
19:45:54 <stickster> asrob: So that node.tpl.php can be made to only apply to 'fwnbeat' content type nodes?
19:46:31 <asrob> then we have to a node-fwnbeat.tpl.php
19:46:59 <asrob> but I will see this in the documentation
19:47:30 <stickster> OK
19:47:42 <asrob> I found it, http://drupal.org/node/17565
19:47:44 <stickster> #agreed As asrob notes, we can use a custom template to replace our fwnbeat title hack
19:48:03 <asrob> stickster: To theme individual content types in different ways, you need to create a file node-[type].tpl.php in your theme's folder, where [type] is the machine readable name of the content type, for each type you wish to theme.
19:48:11 <stickster> asrob: If you can prepare that template, I can put it in the Insight specific module repo
19:48:26 <asrob> stickster: ok
19:49:21 <pcalarco> asrob: nice!
19:50:12 <stickster> #action asrob prepare custom node-fwnbeat.tpl.php template for inclusion in the Fedora Insight hooks repo
19:50:14 <stickster> Cool.
19:50:33 <stickster> I'm going to put off the Feeds stuff so we can make sure nirik has time to bring up his issue, is that ok by you asrob?
19:50:43 <asrob> stickster: ok
19:50:46 <stickster> Thanks!
19:50:47 <stickster> #topic All other business (open floor)
19:51:00 <nirik> oh right... just a quick thing from me:
19:51:22 <nirik> I have been working on cleaning up infrastructure trac tickets of late. ;) I note that there are a few insight related ones...
19:51:41 <nirik> would it be helpfull to make a FedoraInsight trac component and stick them all under that?
19:52:03 <nirik> also, is there some specific group or person in infrastructure that you are working with on them that should be cc'ed on them?
19:52:31 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/report/1 and look for 'insight'
19:53:08 <pcalarco> all the Zikula ones can be safely closed now, right?
19:53:18 <stickster> pcalarco: Yes.
19:53:30 <stickster> nirik: If you put them under that component, pcalarco and I can clean them up
19:53:53 <nirik> ok, I can make a component... do you want me to add you 2 to cc on them?
19:54:02 <stickster> yes, please! (for me at least)
19:54:23 <nirik> I only see off hand 1615 for Zikula
19:54:31 <nirik> ok.
19:55:45 <pcalarco> these can be resolved as wontfix, correct?
19:56:26 <nirik> Not sure, but if you are not going with that, I suspect so.
19:57:45 <pcalarco> I closed 2109 and 2217
19:58:03 <pcalarco> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2109
19:58:10 <pcalarco> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2217
19:58:12 <gholms> What do you recommend one does when F13's update with the same N-V-R gets enough karma to push before F14's does?
19:58:22 <gholms> Ack, wrong channel.
19:59:00 <nirik> I see also 2207 2057 2090 2100 2249 2188
19:59:04 <pcalarco> also closed: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2207
19:59:16 <nirik> I can stick those also in a new component and cc you guys.
19:59:45 <pcalarco> and https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2057
20:00:45 <pcalarco> 2090 is still something we want for FI under Drupal
20:00:51 <pcalarco> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2090
20:01:03 * nirik has created a FedoraInsight component.
20:01:08 <nirik> feel free to move them to that
20:01:50 <pcalarco> nirik: will do
20:01:57 <nirik> thanks. ;)
20:04:22 <stickster> Thanks nirik
20:04:42 <stickster> Crud, sorry guys -- was led astray for a moment.
20:04:51 <nirik> no problem. Just trying to clean up tickets. ;)
20:04:55 <stickster> #action pcalarco stickster clear out old infra tickets.
20:05:01 <stickster> We'll continue to work on that.
20:05:09 <stickster> I apologize for the meeting going overtime.
20:05:16 <stickster> If there's nothing else we'll adjourn
20:05:41 <stickster> Thank you everyone for attending!
20:05:43 <stickster> #endmeeting