13:10:49 #startmeeting FAmSCo Meeting 2010-12-11 13:10:49 Meeting started Sat Dec 11 13:10:49 2010 UTC. The chair is liknus. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:10:49 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 13:10:54 #chair kital 13:10:54 Current chairs: kital liknus 13:11:01 #meetingname famsco 13:11:01 The meeting name has been set to 'famsco' 13:11:10 #topic RollCall 13:11:20 Who's here ? 13:11:25 .fas ppapadeas 13:11:25 liknus: ppapadeas 'Papadeas Pierros' 13:11:28 hi 13:11:31 .fas lcafiero 13:11:33 lcafiero: lcafiero 'Larry Cafiero' 13:11:41 * igorps Igor Soares 13:11:43 .fas gbraad 13:11:43 gbraad: gbraad 'Gerard Braad (吉拉德)' 13:11:43 (please state your fas account name after .fas) 13:11:55 .fas sundaram 13:11:55 mether: balasundaram 'Balasundaram Sivakumar' - iyerarvind 'Iyer Arvind Sundaram' - rajesh1265 'Rajesh Sundaram' - saravanans 'Saravanan Sundaramoorthy, RHCE' - kveeramani 'veeramani kalyanasundaram' - sundaram 'Rahul Sundaram' - laxman 'Laxman Sundaram Ramana' (1 more message) 13:12:05 .fas igorps 13:12:06 igorps: igor 'Igor Pires Soares' 13:12:21 OK :) 13:12:26 .fas kaio 13:12:26 kaio: kaio 'Caius Chance' 13:12:35 Welcome all to our first FAmSCo meeting ! 13:12:42 Our agenda can be found here : 13:13:03 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_tasks 13:13:29 and here : (mainly) 13:13:32 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_agenda 13:13:57 We have some ongoing action items that we inherited from our previous famsco 13:14:14 these can be found on the "Current Action Items" section 13:14:42 and our temporary agenda for each meeting can be found on the bottom section of this page 13:15:00 (Seems like a nice format for meetings, I suggest we keep it) 13:15:36 We shall move forward and examine our current action items and define owners (or drop them) 13:15:44 So, 13:15:56 #topic Current Action Items 13:16:04 Continue work on Ambassadors FAQ 13:16:37 Basically, what needs to be done here is keep things up to date and get some feedback from the community 13:16:51 ! 13:16:56 Anyone willing to take this action item or any suggestions? 13:16:57 igorps, 13:17:23 It looks like some topics are already defined 13:17:24 spevack, ping 13:17:38 we just need to fill them at the page 13:17:47 igorps, +1 13:17:55 although are a lot of them 13:18:11 I can help with it 13:18:24 ok :) everyone ok with igorps having this item? 13:18:25 I will just need someone to review it later 13:18:30 I am +1 13:18:34 if you need help, I am willing to help 13:18:35 (everyone will review it :) 13:18:38 ++ 13:18:52 ok then :) 13:19:08 #action igorps with gbraad help continue to work on Ambassadors FAQ 13:19:36 lcafiero, mether ok? 13:19:56 OK. I will be glad to review any changes. 13:20:03 awesome 13:20:10 moving on to : 13:20:16 Our Ambassador Conduct needs some love ? 13:20:16 liknus, hold on call 13:21:19 sidenote: beacause we are only 6 of us here we can step up without the need of "!","?" etc 13:22:19 for the record: 13:22:22 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Conduct 13:22:26 I think the code of conduct belongs to the FAQ, so see no issue with picking this up 13:22:41 On the Ambassador Conduct I believe that after the creation of Community Working Group this Code of Conduct falls into the general one 13:22:51 +1 13:23:10 Maybre it is better to have a general Fedora Code of Conduct 13:23:23 than just a ambassador one 13:23:36 Actually, it is at the moment 13:23:42 So we shall wait for the completion of their work and then try to identify and special needs of Ambassadors Group 13:23:48 (if any) 13:23:53 it is not Ambassador specific 13:24:15 so shall we keep this item on hold and hopefully we won't need an Ambassador specific one 13:24:16 ok? 13:24:20 +1 13:24:40 gbraad: That page looks directed to Ambassadors 13:24:45 +1 13:24:49 liknus: ok 13:25:12 if needed we can add some specific ambassador topic after that 13:25:36 #agreed hold the item "Ambassador Conduct" until completion of CWG work 13:25:37 we need more feedback, agree 13:25:58 ++ 13:26:06 I will make sure to make this an item again after the CWG has something to work on 13:26:27 #action liknus reopens "Ambassador Conduct" after CWG has sth to work on 13:27:00 (please step up if you do not agree on something :) ) 13:27:14 Ok our next action item : 13:27:21 Elect our new chairman 13:27:39 Shall we express nominations? 13:27:51 kital, how this was done before? 13:28:02 I thought of drawing ;-) 13:28:39 gbraad, we need to have someone who"wants" to do that :) and also have the time for that ) 13:28:40 liknus: i have sent a link on that question ;) 13:28:57 I would like to know who would like to volunteer 13:29:50 liknus: it was done in a public proposal 13:29:53 I am volunteering :) 13:30:08 kital, yeap :) sorry, I remember the link now :) 13:30:58 ok so we shall move forward with this meeting and by the end of it elect the new chairman 13:31:01 anyone else? kaio, mether, lcafiero igorps ? 13:31:06 the chair has the same vote as every other FAmSCo member just more work ;) 13:31:13 heh 13:31:25 kital, it's always like this :) but we like it! 13:31:40 I have no objection to liknus. There was discussion about Yn1v being chair by virtue of the fact he was top vote getter 13:31:44 liknus: I enjoy your actions for setting up this meeting and running it 13:31:49 I believe that was in #fedora-ambassadors 13:31:59 lcafiero, seems logical 13:32:03 But I'd vote for liknus 13:32:11 I vote for liknus 13:32:12 lcafiero, lol thanks though 13:32:30 I vote liknus 13:32:34 Ok we can sort it out more officially by the end of the meeting :) 13:32:37 So! 13:32:37 liknus: you have been proactive, so I give a +1 for you :) 13:32:45 Moving on : :) 13:32:56 Reform Events page to be more usable 13:33:23 I am in contact with ianweller from the websites team to figure out a wiki-way to do that 13:33:39 kaio, would you like to work on this with me? 13:33:58 Hiding the rest Quarters (not the current ones) seems like the right way to do this 13:34:06 gbraad☺ yes! 13:34:30 also by cleaning the whole thing up we shall have specific outlines on how to state a date (thats one primary problem) 13:34:37 or diving the years into different wiki pages 13:34:39 I am willing to work on that also 13:35:00 (I am a wiki freak so please gimme some wiki editing!) 13:35:01 :P 13:35:13 Also the table must be sortable 13:35:19 So two things here : 13:35:30 Someone to reform it and someone to maintain it 13:35:41 I am willing to reform it (with help if someone wants) 13:35:45 ok, liknus. you can have the item. as long as APAC is ours ;-) 13:36:05 gbraad, You will maintain the whole thing then :) 13:36:17 i know ;-) 13:36:24 the Events page is not region specific :) 13:36:41 i'll provide help. 13:36:53 So I will reform the page and have some feedback from you and Ambassadors on that (with gbraad help) 13:37:12 and then we shall figure out someone to constantly maintain the whole thing 13:37:17 ok ? 13:37:25 +1 13:37:32 +1 13:37:36 ++ 13:37:47 #action liknus reforms the Events page with help from gbraad 13:38:02 +1 13:38:05 #info Events page will have a maintainer (or a group of them) 13:38:22 Moving on : 13:38:26 Ambassadors survey to help set FAmSCo long term agenda 13:38:29 note: in the long-run it needs to be a group 13:38:46 * liknus thinks that gbraad is right :) 13:38:57 So our next item was mether proposal 13:39:02 mether, on that? 13:39:21 yeah I was suggesting running a ambassador specific survey 13:39:27 and addressing concerns if we can 13:39:45 sounds great :) 13:39:59 So I guess you have the action item ? 13:40:06 Do you have any draft questions? 13:40:13 there is some constant niggling friction like the topics of mentoring and active/inactive ambassadors etc and I want to know what is important for the team 13:40:23 don't have anything ready at this point 13:40:34 we will have to discuss logistics of doing that 13:40:37 and what to ask 13:40:40 on the list I think 13:40:51 if everyone is agreeable that it is a good thing to do 13:41:01 Those are really important issues 13:41:12 We can take some lessons from the FWN survey 13:41:21 yes we should get feedback from all 13:41:21 +1 -- and we can discuss on list 13:41:35 +1 we should do that! 13:41:36 agree with mether's idea. i do notice swag is the most needed resource, but I also wanna know how mature their local community is, in the sense of Open SOurce acceptance, etc 13:41:41 +1 13:42:12 #agreed mether will draft out a Ambassadors wide survey 13:42:43 #action mether initiates the discussion on the list 13:42:46 sounds good? 13:42:58 alrighty 13:43:00 sounds good to me 13:43:10 +1 13:43:10 ++ 13:43:16 +1 13:43:44 ok :) 13:43:49 Moving on : 13:44:04 New mentor for Brazil 13:44:29 Daniel Bruno was suggested by Yn1v 13:44:29 yn1v and me indicated danielbruno 13:44:41 I'm sorry, liknus -- can I interrupt for a second? 13:44:42 I am totally ok with that as far as I can tell 13:44:47 lcafiero, go ahead :) 13:45:11 could you use the hash-topic to introduce new items 13:45:17 ? 13:45:24 for each action item you mean? 13:45:31 for example #topic New mentor for Brazil 13:45:54 +1 It would look better on the meeting minutes 13:45:56 You are probably right as we discuss them extensively 13:46:08 Thanks. 13:46:15 We will do that from now on :) thanks lcafiero 13:46:21 #topic New mentor for Brazil 13:46:27 It's for the minutes -- meetbot will record them that way 13:46:27 I don't know to judge whether someone is suitable as a mentor on a region that I am not familiar with 13:46:48 So here is Daniel's wiki page: 13:46:52 #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Dbruno 13:46:56 I would trust the judgment of whomever is there and is proposing the mentor. 13:47:02 have to agree with mether here. Is there a need for more mentors in that region? 13:47:07 so who is proposing it 13:47:17 Yn1v 13:47:23 I think Yn1v 13:47:29 gbraad: yes there is 13:47:39 Brazil needs a mentor 13:47:46 we don't have one now 13:47:56 the whole of Brazil doesn't have even a single mentor so far? 13:48:11 his blog is bilingual and seems like a fine Ambassador 13:48:28 Right, I think Rodrigo Padula was a mentor, but he's no longer with Fedora 13:48:37 mether: no it doesn't 13:48:39 ah ok 13:48:39 If memory serves me correctly 13:48:41 seems a good candidate 13:48:43 lcafiero, yeap you are right 13:48:51 is someone personally familiar with him in this team? 13:48:58 he is a good candidate 13:49:00 igorps: do you know him personally? 13:49:03 only Yn1v and he is not here 13:49:10 lcafiero: yes 13:49:13 ok 13:49:13 oh 13:49:15 nice :) 13:49:21 And you think he'll do a good job? 13:49:26 he was in FUDCon Santigo 13:49:35 and at FISL in 2009 13:49:44 I'm sure 13:49:54 OK. 13:49:59 he is used to introduce new ambassadors 13:50:02 I am ok with that then :) 13:50:08 then alright. we can proceed but in case, we run into nominations where none of us know the person, we need more details from the person raising it 13:50:10 +1 - same here 13:50:19 actually he is already mentoring them in some way 13:50:30 Although you are right, mether -- the person proposing should make the case in the future. 13:50:57 #agreed Dbuno new mentor for Brazil 13:51:14 I'll contact Daniel about that 13:51:15 #info more info on next mentor nominees 13:51:16 from his blog he is clear about Fedora's differences from other distros and our vision 13:51:17 It would be useful for us to get some justification for future nominations. Nothing personal of course 13:51:19 +1 13:51:36 everyone ok ? 13:51:45 yes 13:51:46 ok. :) 13:51:48 ok 13:51:58 That's a good practice, mether, and we should have the person proposing be here to present his case 13:52:07 lcafiero, totally agreed :) 13:52:15 agree with lcafiero 13:52:21 so let's make sure of that for future nominations 13:52:30 +1 13:52:34 ok moving on : 13:52:59 #topic Budget handler in collaboration with spevack 13:53:01 Choose a budget co-manager to serve with spevack 13:53:12 lcafiero, that you I guess :) 13:53:21 * lcafiero looks around 13:53:27 me? :-) 13:53:29 lcafiero☺ ++ 13:53:29 I can do that. 13:53:30 we discussed that a little bit on the channel 13:53:37 Right. 13:53:43 You have previous experience :) 13:53:52 I am more than ok of you having this :) 13:53:52 if lcafiero wants, +1 13:53:57 +1 for me! 13:54:09 ++ 13:54:11 even if lcafiero doesn't want it +1 :-) 13:54:12 +1 for lcafiero! 13:54:13 I will do it, then. 13:54:22 Heh @ mether 13:54:50 * lcafiero is good at bugging spevack if that's what you mean by "experience" :-) 13:54:56 ok :) 13:55:19 #agreed lcafiero is the Budget Handler of FAmSCo 13:55:52 lcafiero, make sure to bug spevack *a lot* as we are falling behind at many tickets 13:56:13 mether, on the previous one (mentorship) 13:56:30 can you reflect what we agreed on this page? 13:56:33 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors_Join_choose_a_mentor 13:57:04 so it specifies that mentor will be presented as a case by the one that nominates him 13:57:17 liknus☺ the list of mentor on that page is hard-coded 13:57:43 I am talking about the part: 13:57:44 "Regional Ambassador Mentors are a group of people - selected, proposed and appointed by people - not by a leveling system - based on trust (and a lot of soft facts), Prospective mentors are nominated by existing Mentors and confirmed by FAmSCo - [1]. If you want to be a mentor for the Ambassador group, be a good ambassador and if asked, volunteer to help, when needed. One great way to prepare is, to be a good mentor for the project as 13:57:44 a whole." 13:57:49 lcafiero, i think we need a page more associated with famsco for that. I will write up the details 13:58:07 ok mether :) 13:58:21 are there any ways to improve to have the mentor list updated automatically? 13:58:33 OK, I will help out on that. 13:58:48 lets take it to the list 13:58:53 it requires more discussions 13:58:55 #action mether clarifies the mentor confirmation process within famsco 13:58:55 help mether on the details. 13:59:04 #undo 13:59:04 Removing item from minutes: 13:59:13 #action mether clarifies the mentor confirmation process within famsco with help form lcafiero 13:59:13 :) 13:59:20 ok everyone? 13:59:27 ok 13:59:36 ok 13:59:37 OK 13:59:40 nice :) 13:59:42 moving on: 13:59:50 * gbraad remebers a lot of questions have been about "selected, proposed and appointed by people" and "and confirmed by FAmSCo" 13:59:53 #topic Regional Reports 14:00:15 I should start on EMEA I guess 14:00:38 So after a round of Release Parties we are looking forward to our presence at FOSDEM 14:00:52 February so we have a lot of time to plan ahead 14:01:37 some budget allocation is already done by spevack and I will make sure to specify the swag together with the event onwer 14:02:20 We are still pursuing the media production of F14 as we had a really unfortunate chain of events 14:02:31 (budget is allocated though :) ) 14:03:10 I am chairing the EMEA Ambassadors meeting but I will pass this over to cwickert (senior EMEA Ambassador) and help him if needed 14:03:18 thats for EMEA 14:03:56 NA next? 14:04:01 (we are approaching 1 hour :( possilby we can speed things up...although because this was our first meeting is was logical) 14:04:06 NA go ahead :) 14:04:16 lcafiero: go for it! 14:04:25 LATAM is next 14:04:26 FUDCon in January -- everyone seems to be focused on that. 14:04:48 We should have F14 media in a week, thanks to Clint Savage (herlo) 14:05:52 I do want to note -- this is not NA specific -- but we have only spent about half our budget this year, globally, so for 2011 we should not be "shy" about doing projects and asking for money. 14:05:58 That's all for NA 14:06:08 APAC. Kaio on I have been working on the Chinese community a lot and continue to do so. Since our appointment as mentor, we have been able to promote some of our members to Ambassadors. Some have been unknown to what it was for a long time. I hope Kaio can explain some more about activities 14:06:24 On the LATAM side we have FUDCon Panama pre-registration opened 14:06:31 #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Panama_2011 14:06:43 We are also setting up a ticket system for local ambassadors 14:06:56 #link http://rpmdev.proyectofedora.org/projects/embajadores/ 14:07:11 why not on our infrastructure? 14:07:36 That was pre-existent 14:07:37 like : http://fedorahosted.org/famlatam 14:07:58 I hope we can move more to the Fedora infra. it helps with getting people involved and contributing 14:07:59 I'd rather use our track instance 14:08:44 but some local ambassadors fell more comfortable to work on a local instance 14:08:46 igorps, I am afraid of getting out the wrong message... but if you like to stick to it I am ok with what you feel 14:09:01 but I can take this to the latam meeting 14:09:09 igorps, please do so 14:09:25 we already have a rpm project in that infra 14:09:30 #action igorps raises Trac location of fam-latam 14:09:45 and it works along with our global infrastructure 14:10:00 ok then :) no worries 14:10:11 but if local ambassadors agree to move to a track based instance no problem for me 14:10:23 thanks igorps :) 14:10:28 so moving on : 14:10:29 it depends on the local community, but never wrong to questioning things either ;-) 14:10:40 +1 14:10:45 that's it for latam 14:10:49 +1 14:11:07 gbraad, +1 :) 14:11:19 #Review of open tickets 14:11:20 sorry for mentioning APAC earlier, but I typed in advance as my connection si slow over a vpn to the Netherlands 14:11:34 gbraad, it was ok :) 14:11:41 brb 14:11:45 so spevack is not online now 14:11:46 I still thinkaio can add something to this 14:11:56 actually one of local ambassadors opened a ticket for that: 14:11:56 https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/113 14:12:31 gbraad☺ recent news from apac? 14:12:31 I'll take to see if we stick to redmine or move to track 14:13:02 kaio, APAC - FAD and LCA 14:13:20 back 14:13:30 we will have LCA (Linux Conference Australia) at the end of Jan 2011 14:13:57 (was invited there! much money to go though....) 14:14:07 where APAC FAms are invited by RH for open day 14:14:18 liknus☺ for open day only 14:15:01 to stand at booth to promote Fedora and OLPC voluntary 14:15:18 nice kaio 14:15:24 any help you might want? 14:15:50 I hope to attend LCA and FOSDEM next year. SO if possible I will provide help during my visits 14:15:51 then we decided to have a FAD next to the LCA @ Brisbane 14:16:00 liknus☺ any help is welcome! 14:16:48 we have confirmed the venue of FAD, and some flights for LCA+FAD on trac 14:16:51 I suggest we initiate (starting from FAD Brisbane) a series of remote calls during FADs to stress out our "global" way of acting :) 14:17:25 I am willing to give one during FAD Brisbane if you want me :P 14:17:51 * gbraad hopes the budget for EMEA and especially APAC will equal that of the NA budget expenses ;-) 14:18:19 liknus☺ ++, I do want to link the FAD @ Brisbane globally 14:18:36 gbraad, we will make sure to do that :) 14:18:51 kaio, ok conact me and reflect that on the wiki 14:18:57 so anything else on APAC? 14:19:23 there is a discussion thread about FUDCon APAC in Brisbane 14:19:33 I think we will come back to this later, as I still discuss some with kaio and Luke about this. 14:19:48 awesome :) 14:19:51 APAC done for now 14:19:57 thanks APAC :) 14:20:00 so moving on : 14:20:09 #topic Review of open Tickets 14:20:14 spevack, is not online 14:20:15 :( 14:20:15 hope there is some progress from the discussions 14:20:30 I will check with him and post on the famsco list 14:20:31 so we need to wait I guess for next time 14:20:38 lcafiero, excellent :) 14:21:00 #action lcafiero checks on open tickets with spevack and post on the famsco list 14:21:15 ok so we are done :) 14:21:20 also need to know if spevack will be able to attend our meeting in the future. 14:21:31 gbraad, +1 14:21:31 I will ask him that, too. 14:21:35 lcafiero, thanks :) 14:21:39 i have another point 14:21:45 It's 8 a.m. US Eastern time for him 14:21:50 #topic Election of FAmSCo chair 14:22:04 8am is kinda hard :S 14:22:13 So is 5 a.m. :-) 14:22:20