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05:02:03 <juhp> hi
05:02:07 <epico_laptop> hi
05:02:24 <tagoh> #meetingname i18n
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05:02:34 <tagoh> #topic agenda
05:02:45 <tagoh> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2011-01-06
05:02:58 <tagoh> hi guys
05:03:03 <dueno> hi
05:03:10 <paragan> hi
05:03:27 <fujiwarat> hi
05:03:30 <tagoh> happy new year everone, this is a first meeting this year for fedora-i18n
05:03:46 <juhp> :)
05:04:19 <dingyichen> hi
05:05:16 <tagoh> ok, let's get started
05:05:19 <tagoh> #topic F15
05:06:23 <tagoh> feature submission deadline is coming the end of this month
05:07:10 <juhp> what features do we have so far?
05:07:33 <juhp> I think pravins submitted typing-booster
05:07:38 <tagoh> aha
05:08:01 <juhp> not sure if ibus will be ready in time but hope so
05:08:51 <tagoh> btw GNOME3 is in the feature list: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Gnome3
05:08:58 <juhp> aha
05:10:40 <juhp> dconf replaces gconf?
05:11:31 <tagoh> looks like so
05:11:57 <juhp> is gnome-shell optional in gnome3?
05:13:11 <juhp> tagoh: are there any implications for imsettings btw?
05:13:52 <tagoh> guess they want to make it default? something described in Contingency Plan
05:13:53 <juhp> (I meant ibus-table above btw)
05:14:03 <juhp> aha
05:14:30 <tagoh> fwiw for rawhide breakage: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2011-January/147612.html
05:14:50 <tagoh> we may need some volunteers for ibus-fbterm?
05:16:56 <juhp> .whoowns ibus-fbterm
05:16:56 <zodbot> juhp: dchen
05:18:26 <dingyichen> juhp, I will do it. :-)
05:18:51 <juhp> thanks
05:18:55 <tagoh> would be nice to see more features from us if any
05:19:04 <juhp> mm yeah
05:19:52 <juhp> I still think some font/rendering config tool would be nice - even if it is not a Feature
05:20:30 <juhp> though with all the gnome3 flux perhaps it is not the ideal time - dunno - or maybe it is :)
05:21:12 <tagoh> sure. that may be good to bring up on fonts list perhaps?
05:21:38 <juhp> yeah if someone wants to pick it up
05:22:23 <tagoh> still think of working upstream as one of desktop preference though
05:23:00 <juhp> great
05:23:20 <tagoh> for last action item: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_i18n_default_fonts
05:23:22 <juhp> yeah that might be best
05:23:35 <tagoh> just wrote up a draft of testcase for default fonts
05:24:38 <tagoh> guess we may need more for test event?
05:25:39 <tagoh> will check the default fonts list I've posted before and update the testcase
05:26:30 <juhp> cool
05:26:56 <tagoh> fyi - http://tagoh.fedorapeople.org/fonts/f14-defaultinstalledfonts.html
05:28:07 <tagoh> once validating, we may need to go back fonts packages to satisfy aliases
05:28:08 <juhp> nice page
05:28:20 <tagoh> if something is missing
05:28:57 <tagoh> anyway, anything else for f15?
05:29:29 <juhp> tagoh: is it just for default installed fonts packages?
05:29:49 <tagoh> juhp: for certain language yes
05:30:08 <pravins> hi
05:30:09 <tagoh> not looking at optional etc
05:30:13 <juhp> ok
05:30:49 <tagoh> or we may want to update comps perhaps
05:31:34 <juhp> ok - I think for thai for example only waree is installed by default
05:31:36 <tagoh> anyway
05:31:49 <juhp> sure let's move on
05:32:03 <tagoh> ok
05:32:22 <tagoh> we could discuss more later topic if you like
05:32:27 <juhp> sure
05:32:33 <tagoh> #topic Package Updates
05:34:23 <tagoh> any packages you may want some volunteers to spotlight for testing?
05:36:03 <tagoh> nope?
05:37:33 <pravins> no, package update from me as well :)
05:37:56 <tagoh> ok, move on then
05:38:06 <tagoh> #topic Fonts and Rendering
05:39:25 <tagoh> just fyi, charset/langset editing feature in fontconfig is finally accepted and committed. that will be available in next release hopefully
05:39:29 <juhp> tagoh: perhaps I can follow on about your font table - so is it with all language group installed?
05:39:44 <juhp> tagoh: very nice - congrats
05:39:50 <juhp> saw your tweet for that too :)
05:39:56 <tagoh> juhp: thanks :)
05:40:16 <tagoh> guess we could fix some bugs with it
05:40:39 <juhp> great
05:40:52 <juhp> tagoh: do you think it will land in f15?
05:41:07 <juhp> or is it already in rawhide?
05:41:08 <tagoh> dunno. we could ask
05:41:11 <juhp> sure
05:41:43 <juhp> it would need some font package updates?
05:41:57 <tagoh> juhp: font table with the packages marked as default/mandatory in comps
05:42:04 <tagoh> juhp: right
05:42:05 <juhp> aha
05:42:18 <juhp> ok
05:42:53 <juhp> tagoh: so including language groups or not? :)
05:43:18 <tagoh> including
05:43:26 <juhp> aha right ok
05:43:40 <juhp> makes sense then
05:44:07 <tagoh> it has consistent status regardless of groups right?
05:44:09 <juhp> tagoh: do you have a script to generate the table btw, or is it by hand?
05:44:19 <juhp> yeah I guess so
05:44:30 <tagoh> yes - mentioned that in the mail I've posted to fonts list :)
05:44:38 <juhp> ah right - missed that
05:44:48 <juhp> any responses?
05:45:03 <tagoh> yep, nim-nim did
05:45:51 <tagoh> not yet have a time to do; he suggested to merge it into fontspackage
05:47:17 <tagoh> anything else updates for fonts/rendering?
05:47:51 <tagoh> how about lohit?
05:48:00 <juhp> cool
05:49:18 <juhp> pravins: ^
05:49:45 <tagoh> or harfbuzz-ng thing? :)
05:50:06 <pravins> juhp: not done any update on lohit
05:50:41 <pravins> oops did upstream release of lohit-devanagari 2.4.4 last year :)
05:50:59 <tagoh> cool
05:51:15 <pravins> it has all the updated including locl feature, new rupee symbol, kashmiri characters
05:51:31 <tagoh> nice
05:52:07 <pravins> i am looking into harfbuzz-ng
05:52:44 <pravins> problem is not know which we should take as a base for development, i guess Jonathan did some initial work for indic shaper
05:53:04 <pravins> so should use that as a base or old harfbuzz
05:53:10 <juhp> pravins: it is not public yet?
05:53:17 <pravins> i will post mail today to list
05:53:52 <pravins> juhp: i think not
05:53:58 <pravins> i will ask today
05:54:13 <juhp> great
05:54:34 <tagoh> ok, anything else?
05:55:57 <tagoh> ok, let's move on
05:56:02 <tagoh> #topic ibus
05:56:46 <tagoh> any updates?
05:57:21 <tagoh> guess topic should be changed to input method but anyway
05:57:29 <juhp> should we talk about typing-booster?
05:57:42 <tagoh> sure
05:58:05 <juhp> I think paragan already took the ibus review
05:58:12 <juhp> I can probably do the scim one
05:58:19 <tagoh> aha. cool
05:58:49 <juhp> pravins: I guess main issue is getting ibus-table up to scim-tables parity
05:58:55 <juhp> ?
05:59:40 <pravins> juhp: not understood
05:59:53 <pravins> are you thinking to merge both packages?
06:00:34 <juhp> am I confused?
06:00:46 <juhp> pravins: not particularly - though that might make sense yes
06:00:52 <juhp> mozc does that
06:01:21 <juhp> it was the first thing that crossed my mind admittedly :)
06:01:23 <pravins> juhp: presently both has differences
06:01:47 <juhp> pravins: anyway I was just referring to the problems with ibus-table
06:02:27 <juhp> pravins: anything you want to add?
06:02:46 <juhp> or mention
06:03:06 <pravins> juhp: i think it will good if we can develop new engine for indic
06:03:19 <juhp> right
06:03:32 <juhp> so better to fork now you mean?
06:03:39 <tagoh> merging both may be good if there are any common data between both and can be separate platform specific thing
06:03:40 <pravins> for indic we need some extra features, those are not required for present ibus-tables
06:03:53 <pravins> if possible we can surely merge
06:03:53 <juhp> pravins: the data is different?
06:04:12 <pravins> for one language using many Database is one idea
06:04:15 <juhp> actually I would suggest to separate the data and IMEs if possible
06:04:36 <pravins> yes
06:04:37 <juhp> pravins: I mean different data for scim and ibus?
06:04:41 <tagoh> juhp: that's what mozc does right
06:04:47 <juhp> ok
06:05:16 <pravins> data is same, just there are some extra headers in ibus-tables
06:05:23 <juhp> right
06:05:48 <tagoh> though we have separate packages for anthy, scim-anthy, ibus-anthy, uim-anthy say
06:06:00 <pravins> tagoh: aha
06:06:05 <juhp> on the other hand once ibus is working well, dunno if scim is so high priority - though doesn't hurt to have it of course
06:06:28 <tagoh> guess it may be up to upstream
06:06:29 <pravins> juhp: yes, exactly
06:06:54 <pravins> concentrating more on ibus is important
06:07:45 <pravins> once naveen complete policykit we can discuss on it more
06:08:18 <tagoh> ok
06:08:48 <pravins> tagoh: done from my side
06:10:22 <tagoh> one quick update from me - just built imsettings-1.0.0-1.fc15 yesterday. not so much visible changes made though, restructuring APIs etc
06:10:39 <tagoh> will push im-chooser with it today
06:10:54 <tagoh> anything else on input method?
06:12:17 <tagoh> or any topics we've missed in agenda
06:12:47 <tagoh> otherwise let's close the meeting shortly
06:15:33 <tagoh> ok, thanks everyone for meeting. hope you'll be happy this year!
06:15:37 <tagoh> #endmeeting