19:00:08 <stickster> #startmeeting Insight
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19:00:14 <stickster> #meetingname Insight
19:00:14 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'insight'
19:00:16 <stickster> #topic Roll call
19:00:28 <pcalarco> pcalarco is here
19:00:31 <stickster> Hi pcalarco!
19:00:40 <pcalarco> stickster: Hi!
19:00:43 * stickster pinged smooge a little bit ago but isn't sure he's available
19:01:29 <smooge> hello
19:01:33 <smooge> my brain is slow
19:02:19 <stickster> Hi smooge
19:02:22 <stickster> #chair pcalarco smooge
19:02:22 <zodbot> Current chairs: pcalarco smooge stickster
19:02:24 <smooge> ok CodeBlock is working on getting fakefas working
19:02:43 <stickster> #info asrob can't be around today because of exams but said he will be working on his action items after he finishes.
19:02:45 <smooge> with that we should be able to push forward with you using drupal6
19:02:50 <smooge> and plugins
19:02:56 <stickster> Cool!
19:03:17 <pcalarco> great news
19:03:28 <stickster> Well, let's just dive in then
19:03:38 <stickster> #topic Last meeting's action items
19:03:40 <stickster> #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-12-16/insight.2010-12-16-19.00.html
19:03:59 <stickster> I've taken care of all mine, although a bit later than I hoped thanks to vacation
19:04:32 <stickster> I read this morning that Sparks is deep into some $DAYJOB issues and may not be able to do his reviews.
19:04:36 <stickster> So I'll take them over
19:05:12 <stickster> #info Looks like BZ 646611 is already assigned to someone
19:05:26 <stickster> #action stickster will take over BZ 646610 from Sparks to make his life easier
19:05:50 <stickster> #topic General Drupal status
19:07:02 <stickster> smooge: At last check-in... I believe we had a working pt04 instance, and a FakeFAS was back up and working. Is there anything else pending from your POV?
19:07:27 <smooge> fakefas might be working now. We had a working one but we atez it.
19:07:52 <stickster> smooge: ISTR abadger1999 got it back up for us on a different server
19:08:11 <smooge> hmmm.
19:08:35 <abadger1999> stickster, smooge: We're just pointed at the dev instance for now I think.
19:08:52 <abadger1999> fakefas will be a better long term solution.
19:08:52 <stickster> abadger1999: That's right, looking at the module config on Drupal right now -- using app01.dev.
19:09:10 <ricky> fakefas is probably still not fully built yet, but should be soon
19:09:15 * abadger1999 didn't want to leave people with no solution over the holiday break
19:09:17 <smooge> ok we should be able to change that to fakefas later today
19:09:19 <smooge> np
19:09:55 <stickster> #info We need to point our Drupal's authfas module at FakeFAS to truly solve things there -- FakeFAS will be available shortly and we can reconfigure very quickly
19:10:04 <smooge> after that its a matter of documenting things so it can be built into modules for deployment
19:10:33 <stickster> smooge: OK, I think I tried to start that process but it quickly got hairy since I'm not familiar with puppet.
19:11:18 <stickster> smooge: Do you want me to send you what I started with? It's probably not much but I'm happy to paste it somewhere for you.
19:11:29 * stickster can probably look at it again, but not this week because of RHEL work.
19:11:52 <smooge> ok send it to me. I will work on it after meetings/tomorrow for you.
19:13:36 <stickster> smooge: OK. The good part is it's in the form of git commits to my own local working branch for the puppet repo.
19:13:40 <stickster> Hopefully that's good?
19:15:02 <smooge> hopefully... my knowledge of git is poor
19:15:04 <smooge> :)
19:15:07 <stickster> pcalarco: I know you were going to be working with asrob on the remaining bits of that FWN view, did you want to discuss what's left to do there so we can get back on track?
19:15:18 <stickster> smooge: Mine is middling at best but I'll be happy to lend a hand
19:15:30 <smooge> 1) do we have all the needed modules in EPEL or RPM format?
19:15:45 <smooge> 2) do we have any patches we apply we need to do via hotfixes
19:16:17 <smooge> 3) what instructions are needed for the DB (mysql or postgres)
19:16:25 <pcalarco> stickster: sure, basically the next step we'd like to have a single integrated view of an FWN issue, stripping out the beat name, authorship and navigation at the end of each beat as it currently displays
19:16:27 <stickster> smooge: Well, almost all of them are reviewed at this point. Some of them (asrob's mainly) need to have git requests and builds.
19:17:26 <stickster> smooge: As far as the DB instructions -- a deployment from scratch involves running the app itself from a browser to do DB creation.
19:17:59 <stickster> smooge: But if we have data we're porting in, then it would simply involve creating a SQL admin user for that DB, and restoring the backup of the DB data itself.
19:19:13 <stickster> smooge: The only "patch" or "hotfix" we'd end up providing are (A) the AuthFAS module, which is in a git repo already but could easily be made into a RPM; and (B) the theme when it's finished, which will include Fedora logo stuff.
19:19:21 <smooge> abadger1999 ricky I think the second method sounds better for us in stg and production...
19:20:02 <stickster> pcalarco: asrob had suggested that we add auto_nodetitle to do one of the customizations I tried to do as an instance-specific script
19:20:16 <stickster> pcalarco: I have that package review to do, once he corrects the specfile
19:20:28 <pcalarco> #link http://publictest4.fedoraproject.org/drupal6/fwn/248 is the view we have now
19:20:43 <pcalarco> stickster: that is great news
19:20:58 <stickster> pcalarco: try this one
19:21:04 <abadger1999> smooge: second method for initializing the db?  I agree with you.
19:21:07 <stickster> #link http://publictest4.fedoraproject.org/drupal6/fwn_clone_by_asrob/248 <-- the one asrob built by slightly altering the View
19:21:49 <abadger1999> smooge: We could do the setup in stg, dump the db, and import that into production.
19:21:50 <pcalarco> boy, that looks perfect
19:22:13 <stickster> pcalarco: I thought so too
19:22:51 <stickster> #info asrob's version above is exactly what we want -- only remaining bit needed is auto_nodetitle to automatically provide node titles when a beat writer or editor imports the content
19:23:10 <stickster> pcalarco: Having that module packaged means we can drop another specific customization I wrote previously
19:23:48 <stickster> #info stickster can review node_autotitle to finish the remaining bit, once asrob corrects his package for review
19:24:07 <pcalarco> stickster: even better for long-term maintainability
19:24:57 <stickster> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=662103&hide_resolved=1 <-- reviews in progress
19:25:11 <stickster> #action stickster provide a summary of review progress to the list
19:25:54 <stickster> abadger1999: smooge: FWIW, we've been pretty darn good at documenting things we change when we customize something. The Views may be the only exception but that's easy to remedy.
19:26:13 <smooge> ok thanks
19:26:17 <stickster> abadger1999: smooge: We used some separate wiki pages to show someone how to build a Drupal instance that looks and acts just like ours, even if they don't have access to our DB
19:26:31 <stickster> But I agree with you guys, trying to script that would be horrific
19:27:17 <stickster> schendje: As far as theme goes... are you blocking on anyone right now?
19:28:26 <schendje> blocking on? sorry? :)
19:28:45 <stickster> schendje: Sorry, I meant... are you waiting on anyone else so you can continue working on the mockup?
19:29:08 <schendje> no, not really
19:29:13 <schendje> here's an update: http://schendje.fedorapeople.org/insight/insightMockup960_3.png
19:29:33 <pcalarco> schendje: looks great, I like the new look very much
19:29:33 <schendje> i'll try the css as soon as i can
19:30:01 <schendje> just wanted to know if you guys like it enough to give me the green light
19:30:37 <stickster> I like it too.
19:30:55 <stickster> schendje: Consider the green light given!
19:31:01 <pcalarco> +1
19:31:04 <schendje> alright then :)
19:31:28 <stickster> #agreed schendje's mockup at http://schendje.fedorapeople.org/insight/insightMockup960_3.png is great, and we can proceed with subtheming using ninesixty
19:31:56 <stickster> I really like the "scroll" effect in the Insight header, which gives it a "newsy" feel.
19:32:02 <stickster> #info schendje rocks.
19:32:09 <pcalarco> +1
19:32:27 <schendje> :)
19:32:44 <stickster> schendje: Do you have the access you need for the theme's git repo?
19:32:53 <schendje> stickster: i believe so, yes
19:33:09 <schendje> if not you'll hear about it soon enough
19:33:15 <stickster> schendje: zodbot confirms, you're good to go!
19:33:21 <schendje> great
19:34:15 <stickster> The remaining items, incl. package builds, are probably blocked on asrob, but he will be back with us shortly.
19:34:31 <stickster> #topic Open floor/all other business
19:34:48 <pcalarco> quick question before I have to leave
19:34:50 <stickster> pcalarco: I think you mentioned you might have to flee, but did you have anything before you go?
19:34:53 <stickster> ha, *jinx
19:35:02 <stickster> fire away!
19:36:02 <pcalarco> at the last FAmNA meeting on Tuesday, we discussed possibilities for a FAD at ILF in March, and so I wanted to get this group's opinion on the utility and possibility for that.  There is a DrupalCon that is running on the Sunday following ILF
19:36:29 <stickster> pcalarco: That sounds like a distinct possibility
19:36:43 <stickster> I might have to resolve a travel conflict in order to attend
19:36:45 <jsmith> Sounds awesome :-)
19:36:49 <pcalarco> we could talk it up on the ILF forums before the meeting and possibly get some Druapl folk interested to help with FI 2.0 or wheverevr we are at then
19:36:53 <stickster> pcalarco: Is there a page where we can read details on the Drupalcon?
19:37:04 <pcalarco> not yet that I have found
19:37:14 <stickster> I went to a Drupalcon at SELF, and unfortunately it was very much divided between "stuff that's too elementary" and "stuff that's too advanced" for me personally
19:37:27 <pcalarco> nods
19:38:11 <pcalarco> #info http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/ILF_2011
19:38:15 <stickster> pcalarco: I'll respond on the list, maybe you can inquire of the Drupalcon organizers directly, if they have an idea about the schedule/content
19:38:24 <pcalarco> #info http://www.indianalinux.org/cms/|ILF
19:38:32 <fenris02> theming / placement vs. development?
19:38:37 * stickster notes he was asked to submit a paper and this would sweeten the deal for traveling out there
19:39:02 <pcalarco> #link http://www.indianalinux.org/cms/
19:39:08 <stickster> fenris02: More like "what is it/how to install" vs. development
19:39:28 <pcalarco> stickster: will do
19:39:48 <pcalarco> they did say that we can have room on Sunday for a FAD if need be
19:39:55 * stickster notes the site itself is Drupal :-)
19:40:15 <pcalarco> aye; okay, I have to run now, thanks all!
19:40:17 <stickster> pcalarco: That would be useful for putting our learning into practice, if the Drupalcon precedes a FAD
19:40:19 <stickster> thanks pcalarco!
19:40:43 <pcalarco> waves
19:41:22 <stickster> Anyone else have something to discuss?
19:41:57 <stickster> I'll leave the floor open for another minute or so, and close up if we're done.
19:42:24 <stickster> smooge: abadger1999: ricky: Anything else you need from us right now?
19:42:39 <smooge> not from me. I think it looks good.
19:42:49 <smooge> we look good for releasing at FudCON I think
19:43:10 * abadger1999 defers to smooge unless he tasks me with something ;-)
19:43:47 <smooge> abadger1999, basically it will be finishing setting up fakefas01 with Codeblock and then working on staging next week.
19:43:49 <stickster> smooge: I'm emailing you those git patches. I just looked at them and you should be aware the manifest is grossly incomplete.
19:44:45 <CodeBlock> oh right, fakefas
19:44:50 * CodeBlock works on that now
19:45:31 <stickster> Thanks CodeBlock!
19:46:29 <CodeBlock> no problem
19:47:23 <stickster> OK the
19:47:25 <stickster> *then
19:47:31 <stickster> Thanks for coming, everyone!
19:47:33 <stickster> #endmeeting