13:08:04 <liknus> #startmeeting FAmSCo 2010-01-22 Meeting
13:08:04 <zodbot> Meeting started Sat Jan 22 13:08:04 2011 UTC.  The chair is liknus. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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13:08:10 <liknus> #chair kaio
13:08:10 <zodbot> Current chairs: kaio liknus
13:08:18 <liknus> #topic RollCall
13:08:21 <liknus> .fas ppapadeas
13:08:22 <zodbot> liknus: ppapadeas 'Papadeas Pierros' <ppapadeas@gmail.com>
13:08:29 <liknus> #meetingname famsco
13:08:29 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famsco'
13:08:31 <igorps> .fas igorps
13:08:31 <zodbot> igorps: igor 'Igor Pires Soares' <igor@projetofedora.org>
13:08:36 <gbraad-china> .fas gbraad
13:08:36 <zodbot> gbraad-china: gbraad 'Gerard Braad (吉拉德)' <fedora@gbraad.nl>
13:08:38 <yn1v> .fas yn1v
13:08:39 <zodbot> yn1v: yn1v 'Neville A. Cross' <neville@taygon.com>
13:10:05 <kaio> .fasinfo kaio
13:10:06 <zodbot> kaio: User: kaio, Name: Caius Chance, email: me@kaio.net, Creation: 2008-09-10, IRC Nick: kaio, Timezone: Australia/Brisbane, Locale: en, Extension: 5114286, GPG key ID: 17BEFCFA, Status: active
13:10:11 <zodbot> kaio: Unapproved Groups: art
13:10:14 <zodbot> kaio: Approved Groups: freemedia cvsl10n famsco cla_fedora cla_done fedorabugs hgflies packager cla_redhat ambassadors l10n-commits @packager-zh
13:10:41 <kaio> let's make this meeting not more than 60 mins.
13:10:51 <yn1v> +1
13:11:07 <gbraad-china> +1
13:11:17 <igorps> +1
13:12:51 <gbraad-china> liknus, ping
13:14:03 <gbraad-china> liknus, connectivity issues again?
13:14:13 <liknus> Sorry for the disconnection gues
13:14:15 <liknus> guys
13:14:17 <liknus> Where were we?
13:14:19 <liknus> who is here?
13:14:21 <liknus> (3G seems to be the only reliable connection
13:14:24 <liknus> )
13:14:41 <liknus> gbraad-china, kaio yn1v igorps moving on?
13:14:51 <gbraad-china> please do. rollcall done
13:14:54 <kaio> sure
13:14:57 <liknus> ok nice :)
13:15:00 <igorps> let's go!
13:15:07 <liknus> So todays agenda can be found here :
13:15:09 <liknus> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_agenda
13:15:29 <liknus> #topic Review Old business
13:15:43 <liknus> #topic Ambassadors FAQ
13:16:04 <kaio> harish has still not able to login famsco trac
13:16:05 <liknus> igorps, has done a fine job on that and I believe it is ready for announcement
13:16:13 <igorps> This is almost done
13:16:22 <igorps> just waiting for Larry to review it
13:16:28 <liknus> igorps, Can you take care of a mail to Ambassadors ?
13:16:34 <liknus> (after larry review)
13:16:38 <igorps> liknus: sure
13:17:06 <liknus> #action igorps Announces Ambassadors FAQ on Ambassadors ML after Larry reviews it
13:17:11 <igorps> I'll ask him to review the Leaving Ambassadors SOP as well
13:17:18 <liknus> ok anything more on that ?
13:17:20 <yn1v> I think that is well advanced as to announce it and keep a eye on minors corrections
13:17:56 <liknus> yn1v, +1 if Larry takes so long on that the igorps should announce it
13:18:08 <liknus> lets do that within this week
13:18:15 <liknus> Everyone ok?
13:18:15 <igorps> liknus: Seems good to me
13:18:18 <igorps> +1
13:18:20 <gbraad-china> try to prevent yourself from using smilies in SOP
13:18:52 <gbraad-china> +
13:19:06 <igorps> gbraad-china: Really don't know where that came from
13:19:06 <liknus> gbraad-china, I will do my best :) :P
13:19:14 <liknus> I was the one
13:19:21 * liknus slaps himself
13:19:42 <liknus> So moving on :
13:19:43 <kaio> +1
13:19:47 <igorps> liknus: Don't smile liknus! ;)
13:20:19 <liknus> #topic December Report
13:20:33 <igorps> Here is the link:
13:20:34 <igorps> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_report_2011-12
13:21:05 <liknus> What else is needed to be completed igorps ?
13:21:06 <igorps> I need someone from each region to feed the regional news section
13:21:28 <liknus> #action liknus completes EMEA news for Dec
13:21:32 <igorps> I would like to have some budget information updated either
13:21:42 <igorps> but I guess Max is the one to do it
13:22:05 <liknus> #action spevack and lcafierro updates monthly reports on budget
13:22:13 <liknus> ok will do (I will nundge them)
13:22:14 <kaio> all expenses are tracked on trac?
13:22:34 <igorps> I would like to finish before FUDCon Tempe, so we can announce it before the end of January
13:22:37 <liknus> kaio, not always and the totals are not at all
13:22:45 <igorps> kaio: They are tracked on our wiki
13:22:49 <liknus> ok lets do that within this week igorps
13:23:05 <igorps> kaio: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_budget
13:23:19 <liknus> Anything more on the monthly reports?
13:23:22 <gbraad-china> I can add some information for the APAC region for January
13:23:46 <igorps> liknus: no, these are the only things left
13:23:52 <igorps> gbraad-china: thanks!
13:23:53 <gbraad-china> for December?
13:24:07 <igorps> Yep, for December only
13:24:14 <gbraad-china> I hardly remember what happened
13:24:23 <gbraad-china> but I can try to do so
13:24:35 <liknus> #topic Wiki pages reform
13:24:46 <liknus> so I am blocked by this bug :
13:24:51 <liknus> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2563
13:25:00 <liknus> and after that I will conclude the reform
13:25:12 <liknus> Events and Meetings pages
13:25:31 <liknus> #topic Ambassadors Schedule for F-15
13:25:50 <liknus> Robyn has yet to publish the schedule
13:26:06 <liknus> I suspect this is going to be done after FUDCon
13:26:22 <liknus> thats ok I guess as the first items on this schedule are within March
13:26:28 <liknus> so we have plenty of time
13:26:35 <liknus> anything more on that?
13:26:35 <igorps> Probably yes, she might be busy right now
13:27:09 <igorps> I see no problem in publishing that after FUDCon
13:27:10 <gbraad-china> ok, waiting for the schedule
13:27:19 <liknus> #topic Ambassadors SOPs
13:27:37 <liknus> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors_SOPs
13:27:52 <liknus> So we have already an SOP ready (thanks to igorps )
13:28:05 <liknus> and I am sorry but I did not have time to conclude t3 basic one
13:28:10 <liknus> 3 basic ones*
13:28:14 <liknus> so :
13:28:17 <igorps> Yes, it is here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Leaving_Ambassadors_SOP
13:28:31 <gbraad-china> igorps, thanks for that
13:28:47 <liknus> #action liknus concludes 3 basic SOPs (hosting meeting, attending an event, requesting swag)
13:29:00 <liknus> Also something else:
13:29:18 <igorps> I'll keeping linking new SOPs on our FAQ when necessary
13:29:22 <gbraad-china> but I just realize it misses some info. removal of the fedoraproject planet feed
13:29:37 <liknus> gbraad-china, if applie
13:29:41 <liknus> if applied
13:29:46 <liknus> (but we can make a note)
13:29:51 <liknus> gbraad-china, can you do that?
13:29:52 <yn1v> liknus,  gime one SOP to tackle
13:29:54 <gbraad-china> sure
13:30:47 <liknus> yn1v, How about hosting a meeting?
13:31:03 <yn1v> IRC meeting ?
13:31:05 <liknus> yn1v, I started it and you can add more info on that
13:31:08 <liknus> yeap IRC
13:31:20 <yn1v> Cool, I can do that
13:32:30 <liknus> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Hosting_an_IRC_meeting_SOP
13:32:33 <liknus> ok this is the page
13:32:54 <liknus> start filling info and we shall help also
13:33:10 <liknus> And that brings us to :
13:33:18 <liknus> #topic New business
13:33:29 <liknus> #topic Consolidation of Meeting pages of wiki
13:33:44 <liknus> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors_meetings
13:33:56 <liknus> so here ^ there is something not nice happening
13:34:22 <liknus> This page will be reformed when we have the new mediawiki
13:34:36 <liknus> but also we need to take a look on the wiki names of the meetings
13:35:09 <liknus> NA is using wiki name : Meeting:Ambassasors_<date>
13:35:28 <liknus> EMEA is using : Meeting:EMEA_Ambassadors_<date>
13:36:20 <liknus> LATAM is using : Ambassadors/LATAM/Reuniones/agenda
13:36:40 <liknus> and APAC : Ambassadors/meetings
13:36:49 <liknus> and APAC : Ambassadors/meetings/<date>
13:37:02 <liknus> so am I proposing a consolidation of all these
13:37:34 <liknus> the structure sth/sth/sth/<date> is abandoned by Fedora wiki (2-3 years ago)
13:37:40 <gbraad-china> I would prefer Meeting:[region]_Ambassadors_[date]
13:38:02 <liknus> so I suggest we should go with Meeting:<region>_Ambassadors_<date>
13:38:06 <liknus> exactly gbraad-china
13:38:43 <liknus> and for LATAM (if they do not have seperate pages ) then Meeting:LATAM_Ambassadors
13:38:48 <liknus> (without a date)
13:39:00 <liknus> Who is in favor for that?
13:39:20 <liknus> +1 from me obviously
13:39:48 <igorps> Looks good to me. IMHO separated meeting pages are hard to maintain
13:39:50 <gbraad-china> +1
13:40:11 <igorps> so +1 if we can keep it together
13:40:14 <liknus> igorps, thats why we give the option of non date
13:40:25 <liknus> kaio, ?
13:40:27 <liknus> yn1v, ?
13:40:30 <igorps> liknus: nice! ;)
13:40:32 <yn1v> +1
13:40:51 <liknus> ok then :) 4/7 passed
13:41:07 <kaio> +1
13:41:30 <liknus> #agreed Meeting wiki names should be Meeting:<region>_Ambassadors_<date> from now on. liknus will communicate it
13:41:45 <liknus> I will contact regional chairs and ml
13:42:04 <liknus> Also a small note:
13:42:33 <liknus> I began to use wiki shortcuts on our wiki
13:42:53 <liknus> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Leaving_Ambassadors_SOP
13:43:07 <liknus> On the upper right corner you can see that
13:43:20 <liknus> I believe they are useful
13:43:32 <liknus> And I will try to maintain them
13:43:43 <liknus> the purpose of them is to have easy links like
13:44:06 * gbraad-china thinks those are handy
13:44:10 <liknus> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ASOP:LVAM
13:44:48 <liknus> we shall see if it helps us
13:45:06 <liknus> this could be combined with a nice shortening service and give us nice urls
13:45:08 <liknus> like :
13:45:33 <liknus> http://fdrpr.ct/ASOP:LVAM
13:45:43 <VileGent> ?
13:45:44 <liknus> or something like that
13:45:53 <liknus> just for internal usages
13:46:06 <liknus> VileGent, not real example
13:46:22 <liknus> anyway.. just random thought here
13:46:36 <liknus> OK people moving on :
13:46:39 <VileGent> well will this effect google searches in finding the info
13:47:03 <liknus> VileGent, not at all as the actual links will be there
13:47:08 <VileGent> ok
13:47:27 <liknus> e.g. in mozilla they have mzl.la
13:47:37 <liknus> thinking of something like this
13:47:41 <liknus> anyway,
13:47:47 <liknus> #topic Regional Reports
13:48:08 <liknus> So on EMEA side things are quietly building up for FOSDEM
13:48:16 <liknus> where we will also have a FAD
13:48:23 <liknus> (3rd year in a row)
13:49:08 <liknus> (many Fedora senior contributors are expected to be there so we can discuss many things on the future of Fedora in EMEA)
13:49:13 <liknus> eof for EMEA
13:49:55 <igorps> On LATAM side we are querying users in order to move regional mailing lists to fedoraproject.org
13:50:25 <igorps> there some mailing lists @ redhat.com yet and @ proyectofedora.org
13:50:47 <igorps> Now we also have FUDCon Panama banners
13:51:05 <igorps> If you guys want to put them in your blogs that would be nice
13:51:11 <igorps> you can find them here:
13:51:30 <igorps> http://aeperezt.fedorapeople.org/fudcon_panama/
13:51:51 <liknus> nice :)
13:52:06 <gbraad-china> APAC is getting ready for LCA. I am pushing for a better alignment of Open Source activities within Beijing and reaching out to other places in China.
13:52:15 <igorps> pre-registering is also open on wiki: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Panama_2011
13:52:37 <igorps> yn1v: Anything else I might be forgetting?
13:53:08 <yn1v> no, I think that is complete
13:53:10 <liknus> gbraad-china, sounds nice :) whole APAC is rising :)
13:53:17 <kaio> the FAD need another venue. not resolved yet
13:53:34 <gbraad-china> kaio and I are hard at work. Harish's help was very welcome
13:53:37 <liknus> igorps, maybe we could do the annual shipping of famsco to Panama
13:53:43 <kaio> the LCA moved venue due to flooding, so need FAD
13:54:04 <liknus> kaio, totally understandable
13:54:05 <igorps> liknus: that would be nice
13:54:06 <kaio> harish is helping. got his email about my ticket for ticket of lca
13:54:37 * kaio has last back up for fad venue... his home garage... :)
13:54:57 <liknus> igorps, we still have no word from board on this
13:56:02 <igorps> liknus: this is will be a good opportunity to start achieving that goal. We will start to deal with travel subsidies soon.
13:56:36 <igorps> So, if we are wiling to do that we need to know if the budget will come from CommArch
13:57:10 <liknus> ok can everyone have a rough estimate on travelling to Panama ?
13:57:40 <gbraad-china> liknus, possible.
13:58:21 <yn1v> sure
13:58:44 <igorps> on the event wiki page there are some price estimative
13:59:41 <liknus> oh man... for me the airtickets are 900 EUR
14:00:43 <igorps> wow! But I suspect that air tickets for APAC folks will be even more expensive
14:00:47 <liknus> anyway please anyone that finds a price post it on our famsco mailing list to have an estimate on whole
14:01:08 <liknus> igorps, not so sure... they have to just cross Pacific
14:01:12 <gbraad-china> igorps, searching[5~
14:01:24 <gbraad-china> $2200
14:01:53 <igorps> liknus: good idea, let's make a compilation of prices, so we know how much is necessary
14:02:19 <gbraad-china> seems to be with a stop in New York JFK
14:02:36 <igorps> My one is $940, which is still expensive
14:02:54 <gbraad-china> and Bogota
14:02:58 <liknus> hm ok ok people please post them on our ml
14:02:59 <liknus> so :
14:03:07 <liknus> Anything else for today?
14:03:08 <yn1v> for me is $455 but it does not include the discount yet
14:03:18 <yn1v> I have something else.
14:03:33 <gbraad-china> kaio also had, Harish did not have access to the FAmSCo trac?
14:03:49 <igorps> Oh yeah, let's remember that we have a traveling discount by TACA airlines
14:04:03 <liknus> we do? igorps ?
14:04:19 <yn1v> yes
14:04:47 <igorps> liknus: Yes, but we still need the discount code
14:05:02 <liknus> oh ok
14:05:03 <yn1v> there is a discount code
14:05:04 <igorps> Organizers are working on this
14:05:30 <yn1v> I got it some where in my email archives
14:05:41 <liknus> kaio, please send me harish fas name to add him on famsco trac
14:05:42 <kaio> gbraad-china☺ seems still not
14:05:58 <kaio> liknus☺ let me check
14:05:58 <igorps> yn1v: nice, please share with us later ;)
14:05:58 <liknus> .fas Harish
14:05:58 <zodbot> liknus: harishsk 'Harish Kumar S.K' <skharishkumar@gmail.com> - harishneit 'Harish Tummalacherla' <harishneit@gmail.com> - charish '' <charish@in.com> - harishom 'harish Mehta' <harish.mehta@live.com> - velagapudiharish 'velagapudi harish' <velagapudihari@yahoo.com> - saphar 'hariharan saptharishi' <hariharan.saptharishi@gmail.com> - harishcyberhunk 'Gunneri Harish' <racer.harish@gmail.com> - harishpgc '' (1 more message)
14:06:27 <yn1v> I will look for it and mail it
14:06:31 <gbraad-china> .fas harish@redhat.com
14:06:31 <zodbot> gbraad-china: 'harish@redhat.com' Not Found!
14:06:39 <gbraad-china> .fas hpillay@redhat.com
14:06:39 <zodbot> gbraad-china: 'hpillay@redhat.com' Not Found!
14:06:45 <igorps> yn1v: thanks!
14:07:04 <gbraad-china> .fas pillay
14:07:04 <zodbot> gbraad-china: amrish 'amrish pillay' <amrishpillay@gmail.com> - movied '' <deivonpillay@gmail.com> - harishpillay 'Harish Pillay' <harish.pillay@gmail.com>
14:07:04 <kaio> yn1v☺ thx
14:07:20 <gbraad-china> .fasinfo harishpillay
14:07:22 <zodbot> gbraad-china: User: harishpillay, Name: Harish Pillay, email: harish.pillay@gmail.com, Creation: 2008-02-20, IRC Nick: harish, Timezone: Asia/Singapore, Locale: en, Extension: 5103197, GPG key ID: 746809E3, Status: active
14:07:26 <zodbot> gbraad-china: Approved Groups: ambassadors cla_done cla_redhat
14:07:30 <kaio> should be this fas
14:07:36 <liknus> ok nice :)
14:07:40 <liknus> I will add him
14:07:50 <liknus> Anything more poeple?
14:08:06 <gbraad-china> no, but hopefully more next time from my side
14:08:15 <yn1v> yes I save something
14:08:31 <yn1v> there is a project to run a bus across four countries of central america.
14:08:31 <yn1v> The topic will be about digital assets, which is in turn part of building conten under Creative Commons for differente purposes. One key part is tools for doing that, like free software.
14:08:48 <yn1v> People can hop in and out across the route. They will hold one or two public meetings on each country.
14:08:59 <liknus> sounds awesome :)
14:09:00 <yn1v> Do you think will be good to put at least one fedora ambassador on that but all the time? Looking to split the load among two o three. The journey will be about two weeks.
14:09:11 <yn1v> There are some cost of traveling from where they live to where they will hop in and then back when they hop off. I am not sure what other cost are involved yet.
14:09:33 <liknus> Sounds great as long as photos and reports as provided
14:09:43 <liknus> please look into the costs and we will get that underway
14:09:50 <yn1v> Well, I would like to investigate more into the cost to ask for funds to put fedora into the bus
14:10:29 <yn1v> The other thing is to see if we have fedorians ready to do it.
14:10:39 <liknus> Just a note : as famsco we can approve ~500USD per need on fedora activities without asking CommArch
14:11:02 <liknus> yn1v, please keep us updated on that
14:11:19 <liknus> Shall I end the meeting?
14:11:22 <yn1v> okey... I will be working on more details... this is due by the beggining of may
14:11:48 <gbraad-china> liknus +1
14:11:50 <liknus> Thanks all for attending another productive meeting :)
14:12:05 <igorps> Thank you all!
14:12:14 <gbraad-china> too bad Rahul and Larry weren't here
14:12:22 <liknus> #endmeeting