19:01:02 <stickster> #startmeeting Insight
19:01:02 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Jan 27 19:01:02 2011 UTC.  The chair is stickster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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19:01:04 <stickster> #meetingname Insight
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19:01:08 <stickster> #topic Roll call!
19:01:18 * stickster 
19:01:46 <asrob> hi
19:02:07 <averi> hi!
19:02:10 <stickster> Hi averi!
19:02:22 * stickster gives it another minute or two
19:02:28 <averi> sure
19:02:39 * averi finishes a fast thing in the meantime
19:02:48 <stickster> Today may end up being somewhat short. I am in the middle of a TON of tasks to get ready for FUDCon and to be gone from $DAYJOB for a few days :-)
19:04:21 <stickster> At the same time, I'm hoping that if pcalarco, smooge, schendje, and a couple other people are around, we may be able to push a bunch of remaining tasks to completion while there :-)
19:04:29 <stickster> OK... let's see where we stand with packages
19:04:42 <stickster> #info Agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight#Meeting_agenda
19:04:45 <stickster> #topic Packaging
19:05:12 <stickster> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=662103&hide_resolved=1
19:06:30 <stickster> According to the InsightReviews, almost completely done -- waiting for some rename reviews to be built for EL-6, and that's it
19:06:42 <stickster> And a couple of asrob's packages to make it to stable, but that should happen soon
19:06:57 <stickster> #info We need people to install and test the packages. Please take some time to do so if you haven't already
19:07:00 <asrob> I hope that
19:07:47 <averi> stickster: I would do that but I have no handy systems at home (e.g I can't use them for tests)
19:08:11 <stickster> averi: Do you have access to virtualization on them?
19:08:24 <stickster> These packages can be tested easily on virtual guests
19:09:21 <stickster> averi: ?
19:10:02 <averi> unfortunately I didnt set up virtualization stuff on them, but I can see if I can get a virtual server around (e.g I'll buy it)
19:10:17 <stickster> averi: Are they running Fedora?
19:10:30 <averi> stickster: fedora and centos
19:10:33 <stickster> If so, you can just 'yum groupinstall Virtualization'
19:10:52 <asrob> stickster: anyway, thanks for the SSH access, you can delete that ;)
19:10:54 <stickster> You shouldn't be paying for a virt product when you have one at your disposal for free :-)
19:11:00 <stickster> asrob: OK, will do -- glad it helped
19:11:01 * VileGent directs averi to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Virtualization_Quick_Start
19:11:06 <stickster> VileGent: Thank you!
19:11:12 <averi> are the package to test all drupal-related?
19:11:26 <averi> * packages/packages
19:11:28 <stickster> #info Anyone who wants to test packages can do so on a virtual guest. Consult http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Virtualization_Quick_Start for information
19:11:34 <stickster> averi: Yes
19:11:54 <stickster> averi: If you need hints on how to proceed at any point, just ask a question in #fedora-mktg
19:12:04 <VileGent> stickster,  maybe we can get sometesting done this weekend as well
19:12:07 <stickster> Let people know you're helping with Insight testing
19:12:12 <stickster> VileGent: Yes! Good one
19:12:26 <stickster> #idea Get people to do requisite testing at FUDCon this weekend
19:12:31 <VileGent> i am here and building a drupal vm as we speak
19:12:34 <stickster> brilliant
19:12:58 <VileGent> so get you rear here
19:13:07 <averi> stickster: ok, and, the packages to test are into fedora's repo? or is there a separate repo for our testing needs?
19:13:23 <stickster> averi: They are in the updates-testing repo at this point
19:13:42 <stickster> The only thing I don't know is whether drupal-cck and drupal-views are available on EL-6 yet
19:13:49 <stickster> er, drupal6-cck and drupal6-views
19:14:00 <stickster> VileGent: It's up to Delta and Old Man Winter at this point
19:14:28 <stickster> asrob: Partially on topic -- if you have additional Drupal module packages to submit (for the top-10 thing) just drop a note to the list with bug numbers
19:14:30 <averi> stickster: ok, great, thanks for the info :)
19:14:36 <stickster> asrob: I'll be glad to help with reviews
19:15:10 <stickster> Anything else we need to talk about wrt. packaging?
19:15:17 <asrob> stickster: okay, thanks ;)
19:15:35 <asrob> nothing
19:16:39 <averi> asrob: could you please point me to the top-10 list please?
19:16:40 * stickster notes useful command:
19:16:41 <stickster> bugzilla query -p Fedora -c 'Package Review' -t NEW,ASSIGNED --boolean_query='short_desc-substring-drupal'
19:16:55 <asrob> averi: sure, http://drupal.org/project/usage
19:16:59 <averi> thanks
19:17:04 <asrob> np
19:17:05 <stickster> #topic Development
19:17:14 <stickster> OK, to sum up some list conversation --
19:17:37 <stickster> averi and asrob, you guys are working together to do two things, correct me if I'm wrong:
19:17:56 <stickster> (1) *document* the things asrob has built on his sandbox on our wiki pages
19:18:08 <stickster> (2) *port* those changes over to publictest4.fedoraproject.org/drupal
19:18:21 <averi> exactly
19:18:26 <asrob> yep
19:18:30 <asrob> schendje: hi
19:18:37 <schendje> asrob: hi :)
19:18:41 <stickster> asrob: averi: The purpose of those wiki pages is so that anyone in the community, starting with a Drupal sandbox, can basically duplicate our whole setup
19:18:43 <stickster> Hi schendje!
19:18:52 <schendje> hi stickster, sorry i'm a bit late
19:19:06 <stickster> It's important that like every other Fedora work in progress, we make it possible for other people to learn from and build on what we're doing
19:19:10 <stickster> no problem schendje
19:19:22 <stickster> We are talking about development stuff now, we can cover theme at the same time I think :_)
19:19:28 <averi> stickster: I absolutely agree with this point
19:19:28 <asrob> stickster: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Insight_customizations_to_Drupal
19:19:37 <asrob> stickster: I have modified this a little bit
19:19:41 <stickster> Fantastic
19:19:56 <asrob> but I'm going to write all that I did it
19:20:23 <averi> asrob: is that the relevant page to be modified?
19:20:33 <averi> asrob: e.g the one stickster is talking about
19:20:36 <stickster> This is fantastic asrob -- just what I was looking for!
19:21:00 <stickster> #info asrob already contributed some additional docs on the customizations, he gets an extra beefy miracle
19:22:03 <gholms> Extra beefy, eh?
19:22:08 * gholms gives asrob a hotdog
19:22:12 <asrob> :)
19:22:22 <stickster> THE MUSTARD INDICATES PROGRESS
19:22:24 <asrob> averi: I think yes, it is
19:22:37 <averi> we should add to the list the contact module with every information about the team and how to contact / contribute
19:22:56 <asrob> +1
19:23:11 <asrob> that isn't enabled now
19:23:20 <averi> yup, was testing it yesterday
19:23:21 <stickster> +1
19:23:36 <stickster> asrob: You can add that as an admin, I believe
19:23:56 <averi> and there should be a little forum / comment zone where people can send out their comments about any new issue etc
19:23:59 <stickster> #agreed Enable Contact module (in core) and add details on team wiki page and how to contact/contribute
19:24:00 <asrob> stickster: I'll do it
19:24:11 <stickster> #action asrob Enable Contact module and fill in appropriate stuff
19:24:13 <stickster> Great!
19:24:31 <averi> asrob: is the forum module good for it?
19:24:41 <stickster> I don't think we're looking for a forum on this site.
19:24:55 <averi> no, not a real forum, mostly a comment zone
19:24:55 <asrob> averi: registered user can comment to story content type
19:25:24 <stickster> averi: The purpose of the Insight site -- at least at this stage -- is to allow custom aggregation, editing, and publishing of FWN and Planet material
19:25:24 <averi> ok, looks enough then
19:25:30 <stickster> Cool
19:25:44 * stickster doesn't want to grow our scope quite yet, we need to finish what we're doing first :-)
19:26:00 <averi> :)
19:26:01 <stickster> schendje: Did you want to talk about theming? I saw some feedback on the list that was headed your way
19:26:24 <schendje> yep, but i only scanned it quickly
19:26:25 <asrob> averi: check the permissions on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Insight_customizations_to_Drupal ;)
19:26:32 <stickster> #info stickster is taking a free-form approach to today's meeting since he was short on prep time due to FUDCon
19:26:34 <schendje> and i haven't made any more changes to the theme this week
19:27:05 <stickster> schendje: Some of us (me and pcalarco at least!) are planning to get together at FUDCon to spend dedicated hack time on Insight
19:27:09 <stickster> schendje: Are you intereseted?
19:27:15 <schendje> absolutely
19:27:24 <stickster> We're going to aim for Sunday afternoon right after lightning talks.
19:27:40 <schendje> sounds good to me, i'll try to be there
19:27:41 <asrob> awesome, are you here? I want to join ;)
19:27:42 <stickster> Pascal leaves Monday around lunchtime, so Sunday's better for him
19:27:58 <stickster> asrob: We will be live on #fedora-fudcon and if we need to move to another room we'll announce it there
19:28:02 <stickster> We may just use #fedora-mktg for that purpose
19:28:08 <asrob> cool
19:28:26 <stickster> #agreed We'll get together Sunday afternoon (GMT -7, PHX local) to work on Insight.
19:28:51 <stickster> #agreed We'll let everyone know our IRC room, look for us in #fedora-fudcon throughout.
19:29:46 <stickster> #info stickster, pcalarco, schendje should be there, others are welcome!
19:30:41 <asrob> stickster: I have enabled Contact module on pt4
19:30:47 <stickster> Great
19:30:54 <stickster> asrob: As far as documenting customizations... one of the most painful is to put in the permissions settings in a table :-) But let's make sure to do that too
19:31:35 <asrob> ;)
19:31:47 <stickster> Setting that up the first time was... wow :-D
19:32:26 <stickster> What else do we need to discuss today, in advance of getting together on Sunday?
19:33:17 <asrob> hm, something is wrong
19:33:20 <averi> stickster: where pt4 going live will be moved? insight.fp.org?
19:33:31 <stickster> averi: Either that, or fp.org/insight
19:33:33 <asrob> stickster: I cannot edit the user permissions
19:33:41 <stickster> asrob: Hm, you did apply for cmsadmins?
19:33:56 <asrob> stickster: yep, I'm an administrator
19:34:29 <averi> stickster: I've created my FakeFAS user yesterday, forgot to let you know
19:35:21 <averi> stickster: and btw why did you set up pt permissions on fakefas and not on the official fas system?
19:35:52 <stickster> asrob: Aha, the permissions are not allowed for anyone != uid 1
19:35:56 <stickster> asrob: I'll fix that :-)
19:36:08 <asrob> stickster: okay ;)
19:36:16 <stickster> asrob: Fixed
19:36:48 <stickster> averi: pt4 is connected to FakeFAS because the Infrastructure team only wants integration with the real FAS by the production systems
19:36:56 <stickster> averi: All test systems should be using FakeFAS
19:37:07 <asrob> stickster: there is a small problem, we don't use any spam blocking modules
19:37:10 <averi> ok, that's explains it
19:37:45 <stickster> asrob: Yes, but no one should be able to post a comment unless they authenticate
19:38:13 <stickster> asrob: Currently anonymous users can only view, not comment
19:38:15 <asrob> hm, it's true as well
19:38:42 <stickster> If spammers are getting FAS accounts, we have a bigger problem! :-)
19:38:50 <asrob> :)
19:38:50 <averi> ^^
19:39:33 <stickster> averi: I'll go find your account and get you admin access
19:39:55 <averi> stickster: thanks, it is 'averi'
19:40:14 <stickster> averi: OK, done!
19:40:24 <averi> asrob: when should we start importing the changes from your sandbox to pt4?
19:40:30 <averi> stickster: thanks :)
19:40:45 <asrob> averi: I don't know
19:40:52 <asrob> stickster: what do you think?
19:41:04 <asrob> after meeting? or on Sunday?
19:41:04 <averi> stickster: there is a great work to do about themes
19:41:06 <stickster> asrob: averi: Any time. Just make sure to document what you're changing.
19:41:22 <stickster> asrob: averi: If you do it before Sunday, we can check it over first thing
19:41:29 <stickster> That will mean more time for us to do other stuff
19:41:37 <averi> stickster: what caused most problems while i was testing was the theme
19:41:39 <stickster> If we wait until Sunday, that will cut into the hack time
19:41:57 <averi> stickster: as reported into the post i sent to the list
19:42:05 <stickster> asrob: averi: I think it's fine to put the theme on, but we should not set it as the default theme for everyone
19:42:19 <stickster> Whatever helps people test is fine.
19:42:23 <stickster> That's what the test box is for :-)
19:42:31 <asrob> ;)
19:42:52 <averi> stickster, asrob: I'll see if i can hack the theme a bit as well
19:43:11 <averi> i.e moving away the login form making it smaller, new banner etc
19:43:13 <asrob> averi: after meeting can we work together to port my sandbox before Sunday?
19:43:24 <averi> asrob: sure
19:43:27 <asrob> cool
19:43:42 <averi> asrob: just have to get something to eat and have a shower and I'm ready to start :)
19:43:50 <asrob> averi: ;)
19:43:56 <stickster> COOL!
19:44:09 <stickster> #action asrob and averi will port all changes from asrob's sandbox to pt4 before Sunday
19:44:24 <asrob> stickster: what about modules? can you install them?
19:44:25 <stickster> #info stickster will be on planes all day tomorrow and unavailable
19:44:30 <stickster> asrob: Yes, I will do that
19:44:47 <stickster> #action stickster Install remaining modules
19:44:50 <stickster> #undo
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19:44:52 <stickster> #action stickster Install remaining modules on pt4
19:45:02 <stickster> Anything else before we adjourn then?
19:45:18 <asrob> nothing
19:45:21 <averi> guess not, going for dinner now, asrob: be back later
19:45:27 <asrob> averi: okay
19:45:38 <asrob> see you later on #fedora-mktg
19:45:45 <averi> sure, cheers
19:46:05 <averi> thanks stickster and have a good trip tomorrow
19:46:37 <stickster> Thanks averi :-)
19:46:42 <stickster> OK, thanks everyone!
19:46:44 <stickster> #endmeeting