02:00:21 #startmeeting 02:00:21 Meeting started Wed Feb 2 02:00:21 2011 UTC. The chair is StabbyMc. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 02:00:21 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 02:00:26 #topic NA Ambassadors Meeting - Announcements 02:00:40 * nb 02:00:43 Hi everyone, I'm guest chairing for lcafiero tonight. 02:00:53 oh, no rollcall, sorry 02:00:54 * mock 02:01:10 * mock is here anyway 02:01:10 * StabbyMc 02:01:16 So roll-call is back? 02:01:26 here 02:01:31 StabbyMc, lol i don't think so, 02:01:37 i forgot we didnt do rollcall 02:01:45 * lcafiero says we normally dispense with the roll call 02:01:47 Way to take advantage of the sub nb. 02:01:53 StabbyMc, :) 02:01:57 Ok, so topic is announcements. 02:01:59 * lcafiero thanks StabbyMc for chairing tonight while I recover from FUDCon 02:02:02 So who's got announcements? 02:02:20 Ambassadors were disbanded at FUDCon and we can all go home now 02:02:27 * nb should keep his mouth shut so he doesn't confuse the chair anymore 02:02:30 Weather permitting 02:02:45 SCALE is Feb. 25-27 02:02:56 yeah the weather is nasty here in ohio 02:03:04 That's the only announcement I have. 02:04:07 Isn't SCALE in the LA area? 02:04:12 ILF is coming soon 02:04:21 March 20something i think 02:04:21 Yes, Southern California Linux Expo = SCALE 02:04:42 * StabbyMc boggles at a weather that would prevent it from happening. 02:04:51 Are Earthquakes considered "weather"? 02:05:02 * inode0 thinks we aren't paying close attention to announcements in this channel 02:05:20 * lcafiero was referring to inode0's comment about disbanded ambassadors when he made the weather comment 02:05:36 Not SoCal -- It'll be really nice down in LA in late Feb. 02:05:37 * rbergeron yawns 02:05:40 I really want to go to ILF but, I don't think the funds would permit it. have to get a room for the wife and son 02:05:56 what's ILF? 02:06:03 Indiana Linux Fest 02:06:05 Indiana Linux Fest 02:06:11 nb types faster than I do 02:06:14 :) 02:06:16 Funny, I don't see it on the events page ... 02:06:26 it has a wiki page somewhere, let me look 02:06:29 pcalarco made it 02:06:43 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/ILF_2011 02:06:44 * lcafiero will remind pcaralco to make sure there's one. 02:06:55 Ah, there it is 02:07:03 KK, I guess we can talk about it in Events, if it's needed. 02:07:09 Any other announcements? 02:07:23 5 02:07:30 4 02:07:42 3 02:07:49 2 02:07:55 1 02:08:02 #topic NA Ambassadors Meeting - Events 02:08:14 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents 02:08:29 #topic NA Ambassadors Meeting - Events (Fedora Activity Day SCALE) 02:08:44 lcafiero, vwbusguy, is this your agenda item? 02:09:17 Yes. 02:09:26 I can take that one 02:10:07 The FAD at SCALE is going to be around a study group for the RHCSA and RHCE tests 02:10:28 The Red Hat Certified Systems Administrator and Red Hat Certified Engineer. 02:10:58 lcafiero: have you or herlo gotten in touch with Randy Russell from RH yet? 02:11:29 At FUDCon we are discussing a proposal for some Fedorans who have been active for a year or more to study and eventually take the test(s). 02:11:55 I would assume so, StabbyMc -- part of our hacking on Monday dealt with the propsal for Red Hat's approval. 02:12:43 I think herlo has a green light from someone, otherwise we wouldn't be doing it. 02:12:59 Ok, good. I can't stress enough how important that it is that whatever session information is presented is pre-approved by RH first. Without that, it could be the case that all participating RHCEs could have their certificates revoked. 02:13:04 Right. 02:13:19 We have to couch this as a "study group" and not a "class," for obvious reasons 02:13:45 not mentioning RHCE might help too :) 02:13:48 As long as you stick to the topics on the published, public Prep Guide, there shouldn't be a problem. 02:14:04 The proposal was hammered out on Monday at FUDCon and we're still waiting for Red Hat's imprimatur 02:14:13 I believe that's the plan, StabbyMc 02:14:25 Cool. 02:14:39 So that's on Friday, Feb. 25, all day at SCALE 02:15:18 On a personal note, I'm still confused why the Fedora Community is sponsoring an event that helps people study for a certification exam based on RHEL... 02:15:40 I feel it could contribute to brand confusion. 02:16:02 Pity herlo's not here to explain 02:16:15 * inode0 is confused too honestly 02:16:33 I see it as obviously a nice thing for Fedora people though 02:17:10 As I understand it -- and I'm on a lot of cold medication -- it affords those who have been working with the Fedora project and are not certified to get certified, as well as Red Hat getting some marketing value in the process 02:17:53 With the idea of those who get certified to continue to work on Fedora, from which Red Hat benefits 02:18:02 We are not offering the RHCE exam as part of the FAD right? 02:18:07 No. 02:18:22 Not at SCALE, I should say. 02:18:40 We're planning on that elsewhere? 02:20:15 Ok, well lets move on to the next item on the agenda. 02:20:15 Yes, but for all intents and purposes for SCALE, that's about the size of it. 02:20:19 #topic NA Ambassadors Meeting - Events (Fudcon Report) 02:20:20 Let's. 02:21:17 I don't know who's item this is. 02:21:21 So come on down! 02:21:50 That was me. I was going to open it to anyone who attended who had anything to say. 02:22:39 good job to whoever did that 02:22:42 oh wait 02:22:45 :) lol 02:23:00 Of course, the folks who put it on deserve our enduring appreciation. 02:23:08 As if that needs saying. 02:23:08 No takers? 02:24:03 The Ambassadors had a session where we hashed out which events -- tech and non-tech -- we should focus on going forward. 02:24:11 I'm hoping there's a report of that somewhere. 02:24:14 I don't have it. 02:25:20 And did I mention the folks who put on FUDCon - rbergeron and rrix and others -- did an excellent job? 02:25:23 * nb wonders if budget for ILF has been discussed 02:25:43 I talked to pcalarco at FUDCon about it at moderate length. 02:26:03 It was one of the topics discussed in the session. 02:26:20 though budgets weren't specifically talked about 02:26:35 Anything else interesting from Fudcon for those of us who didn't attend? 02:27:24 5 02:27:27 * lcafiero thinks FUDPub is a test to see who can work hung over the next day 02:27:32 4 02:27:37 (but I don't know that from experience) 02:27:38 3 02:27:46 2 02:27:50 1 02:28:00 #topic NA Ambassadors Meeting - Budget Review 02:28:07 #topic NA Ambassadors Meeting - Budget Review (SCALE Sponsorship/Budget) 02:28:17 lcafiero: this is another one of yours I think. 02:28:40 Yep. Hang on while I go to the scale wiki page 02:29:55 here's the link 02:30:00 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SCALE_9X_Event 02:30:09 still here 02:30:29 So it wasn't just me then? 02:30:58 :) 02:31:11 We have a time issue here, and with FUDCon and other issues cropping up in January, vwbusguy and I haven't had a chance to hash this out completely. 02:31:42 But we're looking at $2,920 for SCALE as outlined on the draft budget chart on this page 02:32:17 And it is yet to be determined from which "pocket" -- CommArch or others -- some of the expenditures are coming from 02:33:15 For example, quaid's funding may come from elsewhere, as it did last year, because he's doing something that I believe is RH/Teaching the Open Source Way related, as opposed to Fedora related 02:33:31 So the Fedora's share of that will be less. 02:34:30 So I guess perhaps we should probably bring this back for approval at the next meeting, but I wanted to give everyone an idea how much we plan to spend. 02:35:07 ack 02:35:16 * nb is +1 02:35:18 At the most, because some of these items may be funded from other sources 02:35:24 ack? 02:35:31 acknowledged 02:35:32 looks like we are working ok budget wise 02:35:34 Ok 02:35:43 I thought you choked on something :-) 02:35:48 lol 02:35:51 Right. 02:36:03 Strangely, if I was choking, I don't think I'd be asking for help here ;-) 02:36:11 And I don't know what we spent for things like the FAD dinner -- it could be less than what we have budgeted here. 02:36:19 s3cur17y: you were talking about ILF earlier? 02:36:28 yes 02:37:10 so far that makes 4 of us i've heard of wanting to go i think, pcalarco, ke4qqq (i think), myself, and s3cur17y 02:37:20 I believe that's right. 02:37:33 So someone is working on a proposal for funding from Max? 02:37:37 it looks like it's been decided to do a $1000 bronze sponsorship 02:37:45 For ILF? That would be pascal 02:37:54 Right. 02:38:05 nb^^^ 02:38:07 # Sponsorship: $1,000+ 02:38:08 # Booth: $75 (confirmed; included in sponsorship) 02:38:08 # Power: $15 (confirmed) 02:38:08 # free wifi (confirmed) 02:38:08 # Hotel (pcalarco) 3/25, 3/26: $250 ($109 + tax) 02:38:08 # Supporter pass: $65 02:38:18 that's what pcalarco has on the wiki 02:38:27 Right. That will probably change 02:38:40 yeah, hotel and passes will go up, since we'd have more people going 02:38:46 yes, add nb to all those things that apply to him too 02:38:50 and potentially a rental car so i can go and take the event box 02:38:55 and gas 02:39:05 I told pcalarco to factor in enough rooms for people 02:39:12 as well as some travel expenses. 02:40:32 What it looks like is a room for pascal and roommate, s3cur17y and family, nb and roommate, or something to that effect. 02:40:42 Also, I don't think you're going to need passes if we're sponsoring. 02:40:50 If we do, that would be sort of stupid. 02:40:58 lcafiero, passes are not "required" 02:41:07 they give you a tshirt is mainly the difference 02:41:20 you can register for free, or register as a supporter (no matter if you are a sponsor or not) 02:41:24 What I mean is that we should get passes, if need be, by virtue of sponsorship 02:41:32 we = Fedora 02:41:36 lcafiero, yeah 02:42:46 Those who are going, or want to go, should update the wiki where applicable for ILF 02:43:15 So pascal (and I) have a better idea of what needs to be allocated 02:43:28 Same for the SCALE budget page as well. 02:43:58 On that note, it's getting towards the end of the meeting, so lets do our final topic. 02:44:00 lcafiero, done 02:44:04 Excellent 02:44:04 #topic NA Ambassadors Meeting - Unfinished Business/Open Floor 02:45:44 * lcafiero has said just about everything he needs to say. 02:45:48 surprisingly 02:45:50 How we doing on SWAG? 02:45:56 I'm OK. 02:46:26 I could use some shirts because we gave away a significant amount at LISA, so ke4qqq owes me :-) 02:46:47 * nb has plenty swag although will be taking stuff to ILF 02:46:47 But I'm good in other stuff for SCALE and LFNW 02:47:37 Is anyone going to own Texas Linux Fest this year? 02:47:43 This came up at FUDCon. 02:47:52 We have folks in the Lone Star State who can do it. 02:48:21 * lcafiero will send a message to the list. 02:49:15 Well maxamillion is now in Austin. 02:49:32 and dduncan did it last year IIRC. 02:50:01 I'll ping them 02:51:41 Oh, and rbergeron did a great job organizing FUDCon. 02:52:14 * StabbyMc pats rbergeron on the back. 02:52:42 "great" is a huge understatement 02:53:05 Anyone else? 02:53:12 * lcafiero forgets, he's not chairing. 02:53:17 Sorry. 02:53:19 I don't know if this is the right forum, but I'm somewhat disappointed in the amount of travel ambassadors are doing on Fedora's dime. 02:53:40 I understand it for shows where it's big and we don't have a resident amb. 02:53:43 Well, funny you should say that, since we talked a bit about that at FUDCon 02:54:08 what was the consensus? 02:54:27 Well, let me back up -- =I= talked about that with other ambassadors personally 02:54:56 Ok, to what end? 02:55:17 Getting people to places where they need to be and getting "new faces" to places where there are shows. 02:55:25 especially the latter. 02:56:04 getting people who are doing something fairly substantial to the success of the show for Fedora ++ 02:56:07 Do you think there's too much or not enough? 02:56:17 Maybe I'm just confuddled, but what benefit is sending an amb to another area of the country? I would rather one that is already hooked into the local OSS community be our rep at a con. 02:56:19 Yeah, what inode0 said 02:56:34 Yep, which is why you won't see me at ILF. 02:56:42 * inode0 thinks we do go way beyond that to be honest 02:57:04 I think we have the geographic representation to cover all areas. 02:57:19 It's just a matter of getting people plugged in. 02:57:32 but we have pretty much been down this path, folks draw lines a bit differently, let's get along :) 02:57:48 Ok, then if there are no other open floor items, I'll call it. 02:57:53 OK 02:58:02 5 02:58:08 4 02:58:13 3 02:58:17 2 02:58:20 1 02:58:23 #endmeeting