00:00:30 #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings 00:00:30 Meeting started Thu Feb 10 00:00:30 2011 UTC. The chair is Sparks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 00:00:30 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 00:00:30 #meetingname Fedora Docs 00:00:30 #topic Roll Call 00:00:30 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_docs' 00:00:35 * Sparks is here. 00:02:02 :) 00:02:07 * rudi is here 00:02:30 * jjmcd_ 00:02:42 rbergeron: Will you be joining us tonight? 00:03:16 sparks: i shall be lurking at bare minimum :) 00:03:37 rbergeron: Lurk away. 00:04:00 hey, where's Zach? 00:04:15 Zach has a sick youngan tonight so I'm the pre-Zach 00:04:23 ahhhhh 00:04:32 kids have a way of changing your plans 00:04:35 Yep 00:04:43 Heck, HIS kids changed MY plans! 00:05:26 Okay, let's get started. 00:05:45 * Sparks tries to remember how this thing works 00:05:47 #topic Follow up on last week's action items 00:06:03 Okay, I've got two action items from last week... 00:06:05 1) jjmcd to follow up with fedora-bookmarks packager 00:06:16 didnt get wither done 00:06:19 either 00:06:21 sheesh 00:06:24 :/ 00:06:32 #action jjmcd to follow up with fedora-bookmarks packager 00:06:42 #action jjmcd and nb to come up with a redirect plan 00:06:53 Well, that was fast... 00:06:56 #topic Fedora 15 Schedule 00:07:24 jjmcd_: Of course this is old in my head but I think you were going to work with rbergeron on the schedule. 00:07:41 it should be pushed out ;) 00:07:45 Yes, and rbergeron claimed she updated it, but I never saw her updates 00:07:52 * rbergeron actually just updated links on the wiki page today to my page instead of poelcats 00:07:53 jjmcd_: You know how she is 00:07:55 I checked poelstra's again today 00:08:00 * jhradilek sneaks in. 00:08:04 http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-15/f-15-docs-tasks.html 00:08:14 However, 00:08:21 #link http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-15/f-15-docs-tasks.html 00:08:32 I did go through the RN schedule (link in RN topics) 00:08:41 Made changes I thought were needed (really minor) 00:08:47 the RN schedule? 00:08:51 So that we can proceed with RNs 00:08:54 oh 00:08:57 release notes 00:08:58 ;) sorry 00:09:03 #info RN == Release Notes 00:09:07 There is a wiki page with the release notes schedule, notes and places to note completion 00:09:17 Lots of noise deleted 00:09:27 But additional detail where needed 00:09:28 * rbergeron nods 00:09:42 link further down agenda 00:10:12 I'll need to go validate it against rbergeron's updated schedule 00:10:15 jjmcd_: Link to the wiki page? 00:10:32 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Notes_schedule 00:11:06 jjmcd: so the things you had mailed me about should be updated - though it's been a while since I did the updates and they just haven't been visible 00:11:32 Yeah, I'll take a peek and see what needs to be corrected 00:13:13 and my memory isn't working so well at this point in the day :) 00:13:46 rbergeron: but it's past 11A 00:14:03 lol 00:14:06 yes it is :) 00:14:13 robyn's prolly working on her fourth 807 00:14:34 heh 00:15:11 oooohhh, Mel joining us too? 00:16:11 Okay, anything else with the schedule? 00:16:55 Moving on, then. 00:17:05 #topic Release Notes 00:17:17 Looks like a few sub-headings here 00:17:20 NathanT, Lewis41 and Sundaram already making headway on beats 00:17:27 Still need someone to take point 00:17:35 #info NathanT, Lewis41 and Sundaram already making headway on beat 00:17:43 #undo 00:17:43 Removing item from minutes: 00:17:45 #info NathanT, Lewis41 and Sundaram already making headway on beats 00:17:53 and we already talked about the schedule 00:18:10 jjmcd_: Any leads on a sucker.. I mean someone to handle the RNs? 00:18:19 Nope 00:18:28 Most people are smarter than that I suspect 00:19:47 We're coming right up on time to work on alpha 00:19:48 Probably 00:20:18 Perhaps you could beat the drums on the list? 00:20:27 Although, we should check the new schedule for feature freeze 00:20:38 Yeah, did that once or twice, should do it again 00:20:55 jjmcd_: Tell 'em you are serious this time. 00:22:11 Okay, anything else? 00:22:47 not for RNs 00:23:00 Well one thing 00:23:11 ok 00:23:14 I'm concerned about system reqt's for F15 00:23:31 I suspect they are going to be a lot fatter but I don't see any leads on what to expect 00:23:35 Do we ever really know what the system requirements are? 00:23:56 well, yeah, but some of my initial poking around indicated GNOME 3 is a hog 00:24:36 May be the previews are worse than the real thing, but besides 3D I expect we're gonna need CPU gas as well 00:25:11 :/ 00:25:13 2 GHz, 1G RAM seems barely able to do it 00:25:19 I guess there's always LXDE! 00:25:24 * rbergeron grins 00:25:31 yeah, I just said that to K8RRA today 00:25:54 I don't think my little mini will do well with GNOME 3 00:26:07 * Sparks makes a note to install F15 on a VM tonight. 00:26:08 Well, Unity is made for that sort of thing 00:26:24 ? 00:26:39 netbook screens 00:26:40 for people whose computers aren't up to speed, that's where the fallback mode should be kicking in. 00:27:19 * rbergeron notes that gnome folks are having a gnome3 day on IRC on feb. 15 - or alternately if docs folks have questions to ask them.... 00:27:31 oooohhhh 00:27:39 rbergeron: Where on IRC? 00:27:42 We can also poke shaunm 00:27:59 ummm 00:28:04 yeah, shaunm 00:28:08 shoot, Feb 15 I'm on a nuke exercise 00:28:11 sparks: i'll retweet the tweet i just saw from zonker 00:28:20 jjmcd: i think they're doing it 3 times that day for all tz's and whatnot 00:28:37 alternately - we could probably ask them on their feature page 00:28:41 in the discussion list 00:28:45 tab, even 00:29:16 http://bit.ly/fIVLRR <--- gnome 3 user day 00:31:20 Sorry about the delay. I was having technical difficulties here. 00:31:51 Okay, anything else? 00:32:31 Okay, moving on. 00:32:46 #topic Guide Status 00:33:22 Anyone ready for F15? 00:33:36 *crickets* :) 00:33:42 heh 00:33:53 Sparks, are they doing composes yet? 00:34:20 If you haven't gotten hate mail about packages failing then you are probably okay. There is a massive rebuild going on right now. 00:34:29 jjmcd_: Better question! 00:34:54 * jjmcd_ got an email that looked like they rebuilt something, but I saw no indication of a problem 00:35:15 things are getting rebuilt with a new version of gcc. if it's not done, it should be darn close to done. 00:35:40 last I had talked to dennis (yesterday) he was doing a pre-rebuild test compose, and a post-rebuild test compose 00:36:37 Yeah, I failed some... 00:39:09 Besides the User Guide what other guides are affected by the switch to GNOME 3? 00:39:50 * jjmcd_ was wondering about the deployment guide 00:39:56 perhaps 00:40:38 systemd might also be a big one for the IG 00:41:45 true 00:41:49 jjmcd -- yeah, could bhe 00:41:52 *be 00:42:02 Okay, anything else for the Guides? 00:42:52 #topic Outstanding BZ Tickets 00:42:58 #link http://tinyurl.com/lbrq84 00:43:13 #info 107 open tickets 00:43:47 #topic Open floor discussion 00:43:52 Okay, anyone have anything? 00:44:03 . 00:44:32 rudi: Go ahead 00:44:33 Just noting for the record that Sparks tripped a couple of interesting Publican bugs for us yesterday that have a bearing on our automation plans 00:44:53 Yeah... numerous... 00:45:09 leave it to me to mess up everything 00:45:22 No! Welcome to the bleeding edge! :) 00:45:51 We'll get those fixed robustly :) 00:46:20 Service with a smile! That's what I love about Fedora. 00:46:28 * Sparks assumes rudi is smiling 00:46:52 Indeed :) 00:47:12 If you don't like solving puzzles, you don't work in a place like this :) 00:47:23 Right! 00:47:59 I'm more like the blind man who walks into a manhole... I find trouble without trying. 00:49:06 So if you are trying to build an SRPM using Publican it will fail in Koji right now. 00:50:05 Okay, anyone have anything else? 00:51:35 Okay, thanks for everyone coming out today! 00:51:50 #endmeeting