05:06:39 <tagoh> #startmeeting i18n
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05:06:43 <tagoh> #meetingname i18n
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05:06:51 <dingyichen> hi
05:07:04 <tagoh> #topic agenda and role call
05:07:16 <tagoh> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2011-02-10
05:07:28 <juhp> hi
05:07:36 <tagoh> hi, it's time for i18n meeting. who else here today?
05:07:57 <paragan> hi
05:08:18 <tagoh> please update wiki if you have any agendas before we start.
05:08:20 <pravins> hi
05:08:57 <tagoh> doh, s/role/roll/
05:09:24 <tagoh> let's get started.
05:09:32 <tagoh> #topic F15
05:09:44 <epico_laptop> hi
05:10:11 <tagoh> FYI, next Tuesday is a deadline for alpha.
05:11:02 <tagoh> if you have any changes want to push for alpha, don't miss it.
05:11:10 * juhp wonders if branching started yet?
05:11:24 <paragan> not yet
05:11:27 <tagoh> juhp: should be happened once mass-rebuild done.
05:11:34 <juhp> yeah
05:11:37 <juhp> ok
05:13:25 <tagoh> fwiw the feature freeze passed away. any bug fixes or feature complete for approved features are only allowed now.
05:13:29 <juhp> fujiwarat: any news on gnome-shell and ibus? :)
05:14:00 <fujiwarat> juhp: Yes, we have some discussions on chat and bug:
05:14:01 <fujiwarat> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=641531
05:14:12 <juhp> .bug 657165
05:14:13 <tagoh> paragan, pravins: any updates on your features?
05:14:14 <zodbot> juhp: Bug 657165 [gnome3] ibus applet appearing in bottom popup notification area not panel - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=657165
05:14:44 <paragan> tagoh, pravins has built all the Lohit series fonts with addition of Rupee symbol glyph
05:14:53 <tagoh> great
05:14:59 <fujiwarat> We still need to discuss some points.
05:14:59 <pravins> tagoh: not, naveen is looking to improve performance of ibus-table
05:15:00 <paragan> so RupeeSign feature is almost complete to 100%
05:15:15 <tagoh> paragan: cool
05:15:37 <fujiwarat> juhp: Probably I think gnome-shell is not default?
05:16:05 <tagoh> pravins: so not likely to see some efforts on alpha perhaps?
05:16:07 <juhp> fujiwarat: I think it is if you have 3d - hence why the above bug is a blocker
05:16:17 <juhp> fujiwarat: ok
05:16:46 <juhp> so guess we won't have working ibus on gnome-shell for alpha
05:16:59 <juhp> but as long as it is for beta should be ok I suppose
05:16:59 <pravins> tagoh: yes
05:17:44 <fujiwarat> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/InputMethods#GNOME-Shell
05:18:56 <juhp> tagoh: did the other gnome-shell blocker get fixed?
05:19:33 <tagoh> juhp: I thought aalam closed a gnome-shell bug complaining about input through ibus?
05:20:03 <juhp> fujiwarat: nice screenshots :-)
05:20:19 <juhp> tagoh: so fixed?
05:20:22 <fujiwarat> Yes, that issue was fixed recently.
05:20:27 <juhp> ah ok
05:20:42 <tagoh> .bug 669481
05:20:44 <zodbot> tagoh: Bug 669481 Cannot type anything into gnome-shell widgets - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=669481
05:20:45 <juhp> bit hard testing rawhide recently
05:21:22 <tagoh> juhp: I didn't have a chance to get gnome-shell working here yet.. need a bare-metal box to play with.
05:21:28 <juhp> tagoh: thanks
05:21:43 <juhp> yeah
05:21:56 <juhp> I use a live image to do that
05:22:05 <tagoh> aha
05:22:19 <fujiwarat> FYI: It's a workaround to remove a atk plugin in case you see many segv in the recent rawhide.
05:22:29 <juhp> ah
05:22:33 <juhp> good to know
05:22:43 <tagoh> fujiwarat: aha. thanks for info
05:23:27 <tagoh> any concerns or updates for f15?
05:24:44 <tagoh> ok, move on then.
05:24:50 <tagoh> #topic Package Updates
05:25:09 <nkumar> hi
05:25:15 <tagoh> any updates needing some volunteers for testing?
05:25:20 <tagoh> nkumar: hi
05:26:44 <tagoh> ok, shall we move on?
05:26:53 <tagoh> #topic Input Method
05:27:31 <juhp> (may be more testing of updates needed after f15 branches:)
05:28:05 <tagoh> just realized that the above wiki page needs to be updated for the place of gtk+'s immodule cache file for gtk3
05:28:29 <tagoh> but anyway
05:28:36 <juhp> aha
05:28:37 <tagoh> juhp: yeah
05:28:37 <fujiwarat> good idea.
05:29:30 <tagoh> any updates or information you want to share about IM?
05:29:34 <fujiwarat> I discussed GJS part with ibus upstream. Probably we will create a new package for ibus gjs in f16?
05:29:48 <tagoh> aha
05:30:09 <juhp> fujiwarat: your screenshots look nice
05:30:12 <tagoh> does that mean they won't merge particular effort for ibus?
05:30:16 <juhp> fujiwarat: so it will be separate?
05:30:34 <juhp> guess not everyone needs gnome-shell support
05:31:00 <fujiwarat> Yes, the gjs part. Mainly he'd like to save his review time :).
05:31:57 <juhp> fujiwarat: will it be hard to keep in sync with ibus?
05:32:21 * tagoh wonders if same problem happens with other IM
05:32:54 <juhp> good point - i suppose none of them will support gnome-shell yet, hmmm
05:33:31 <juhp> fujiwarat: so the support going into gnome-shell is ibus specific?
05:33:40 <fujiwarat> Hmm.., I'm not sure. But gjs errors won't be detected in build time likes python.
05:34:09 <juhp> aha
05:34:51 <tagoh> good to have some testing on alpha maybe.
05:35:05 <fujiwarat> I mean the gjs files only to be separated:
05:35:09 <fujiwarat> https://github.com/fujiwarat/ibus/tree/gjs/ui/gjs
05:37:16 <juhp> ok right
05:37:30 <tagoh> so we just see non-integrated UI if we don't have them?
05:37:38 <juhp> fujiwarat: how about integrating it to rawhide?
05:37:57 <fujiwarat> tagoh: Yes
05:37:57 <juhp> in ibus?
05:38:06 <tagoh> fujiwarat: ok, I see
05:38:18 <fujiwarat> juhp: I'm thinking to patch ibus for the current rawhide.
05:38:27 <juhp> good
05:38:37 <juhp> fujiwarat: this week? :)
05:38:52 <fujiwarat> It would be flexible maintenances vs package reviews.
05:38:54 <juhp> we probably need to change comps too
05:39:13 <juhp> fujiwarat: sure - I think it is ok to add ibus-gnome3 subpackage say for now
05:39:20 <juhp> or ibus-gjs
05:39:30 <fujiwarat> juhp: OK, I will integrate it today.
05:39:40 <juhp> maybe keep the say name you want to package separately later
05:39:41 <juhp> cool!
05:39:47 <juhp> s/say/same
05:39:57 <tagoh> ok, anything else?
05:40:00 <fujiwarat> juhp: Ah, probably subpackage is a great idea.
05:40:11 <tagoh> nkumar: any updates for ibus-table?
05:40:11 <juhp> fujiwarat: for now it is ok
05:40:25 <fujiwarat> ic
05:41:10 <juhp> fujiwarat: the screenshots look great anyway :)
05:41:30 <fujiwarat> juhp: thx.
05:42:45 <nkumar> code walkthrough for ibus-table...
05:43:11 <tagoh> ok
05:43:33 <tagoh> nkumar: any plans or milestone for alpha?
05:43:49 <fujiwarat> There is a discussion if we integrate ibus and keyboard separately or should merge the GUI at first. I'll continue to discuss it.
05:44:08 <tagoh> fujiwarat: aha
05:44:16 <fujiwarat> I mean I'll do on upstream.
05:44:20 <fujiwarat> :)
05:44:27 <tagoh> on bugzilla?
05:44:33 <fujiwarat> Yes
05:45:06 <juhp> fujiwarat: aha - that sounds important
05:45:42 <juhp> fujiwarat: so actually we need the gnome-shell changes too right - for ibus to work in f15?
05:46:46 <fujiwarat> Yes, current my suggestion is to just add ibus:
05:46:48 <fujiwarat> http://bugzilla-attachments.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=180446
05:47:10 <fujiwarat> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=641531#c5
05:47:30 <nkumar> tagoh: looking for something till feb end...so alpha will miss
05:48:14 <tagoh> nkumar: ok
05:49:22 <tagoh> ok, anything else before moving?
05:50:23 <tagoh> shall we move on?
05:51:06 <tagoh> #topic Fonts and Rendering
05:51:29 <tagoh> pravins: thanks for updating lohit packages.
05:51:58 <pravins> tagoh: no props :)
05:52:40 <tagoh> there are still a lot of bugs around fonts and rendering though.
05:52:49 <juhp> aha
05:54:02 <pravins> tagoh: hmm, some are RFE against Liberation and Lohit
05:55:21 <tagoh> need some resources to work on them
05:57:00 <tagoh> any concerns or something you want to bring up here for fonts and rendering?
05:57:19 <juhp> hmm might be good to do a round of triaging again?
05:58:06 <juhp> now as we move into the beta phase should focus a bit more on bugs I guess
05:58:33 <tagoh> juhp: maybe - though I tried a bit earlier but as pravins said some bugs is requesting add some glyphs for them
05:58:50 <juhp> right
05:59:10 <juhp> maybe we should move them to trac :)
05:59:27 <juhp> hmm
05:59:40 <tagoh> aha. do we have a separate bug tracking system for Liberation and Lohit?
05:59:42 <juhp> or wontfix?
06:00:03 <juhp> but it is just hiding them under the carpet perhaps
06:00:20 <tagoh> right
06:00:37 <juhp> tagoh: yeah I think both have trac
06:00:46 <juhp> but little used perhaps
06:01:10 <tagoh> dunno if it really does help
06:01:52 <juhp> pravins: might be good to compare Liberation and croscorefonts later
06:02:05 <juhp> anyway
06:02:13 <pravins> juhp: hmm
06:02:22 <tagoh> juhp: for f16 perhaps yeah
06:02:46 <tagoh> #topic Other
06:02:50 <juhp> yeah - or just package croscorefonts :)
06:03:10 <tagoh> anything else we're missing?
06:03:38 <fujiwarat> bicon feedback: http://desktopi18n.wordpress.com/2011/01/31/bicon/#comments
06:04:29 <juhp> I heard there are plans to move tx to tx.net btw, since infrastructure resources insufficient to maintain fedora tx
06:04:49 <juhp> just thought I would mention that here fyi
06:04:59 <tagoh> juhp: right
06:05:20 <tagoh> fujiwarat: aha. good to hear that
06:05:31 <fujiwarat> It may be good to modify comps file for ar.
06:06:30 <juhp> fujiwarat: yeah
06:06:45 <tagoh> maybe - also good to call for some volunteers to polish it
06:06:52 <juhp> hm should it be default for Arabic or conditional perhaps?
06:07:37 <juhp> if it is ready for general use
06:07:41 <fujiwarat> I'm not sure. conditional maybe ok.
06:07:46 <juhp> yeah
06:07:51 <tagoh> hm, may be a good idea to get some feedbacks and bug fixes perhaps
06:08:01 <juhp> yeah
06:08:31 <tagoh> that could be a good feature for Arabic but too late now though.
06:09:31 <tagoh> anyway, anything else? otherwise let's close the meeting shortly
06:10:42 <juhp> fujiwarat: so maybe optional for f15 if you like
06:12:35 <tagoh> ok, thanks everyone for the meeting!
06:12:41 <tagoh> #endmeeting