19:00:23 <stickster> #startmeeting Insight (agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight#Meeting_agenda)
19:00:23 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Feb 10 19:00:23 2011 UTC.  The chair is stickster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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19:00:26 <stickster> #meetingname Insight
19:00:26 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'insight'
19:00:28 <stickster> #topic Roll call
19:00:31 <asrob> hi
19:00:32 * stickster 
19:01:14 <averi> stickster, hey, I've got a bad flu, will try to do my best to follow all the discussions
19:01:21 <stickster> averi: That's fine, thank you for being here
19:01:35 * asrob has it too
19:02:31 <stickster> ugh
19:02:33 <stickster> You poor guys
19:02:49 <stickster> I don't know if pcalarco or smooge are around today for this. But we can make it short.
19:03:00 <stickster> #chair asrob averi
19:03:00 <zodbot> Current chairs: asrob averi stickster
19:03:08 <stickster> #topic Last week's action items
19:03:30 <stickster> #action stickster Review bugs 646612 and 646614 (overdue)
19:03:49 <stickster> Sorry for this guys -- I wanted to get those done on Tuesday but unfortunately my job had other plans!
19:04:03 <stickster> I have them up on my screen and will have them done by end of the day tomororw.
19:04:14 <averi> sounds great :)
19:04:31 <asrob> yep ;)
19:04:36 <stickster> Nice thing is, limb did the other one which was builds of existing packages for EL-6 where the review was done
19:04:56 <stickster> schendje: Not sure you're around... you were on the hook for "theme as a bounty"
19:05:07 <schendje> stickster: yep that's right
19:05:10 <stickster> #info schendje sent mail to the Design team, stickster saw it!
19:05:17 <schendje> so i sent an email to the list, but didn't get a response yet
19:05:26 <schendje> also didn't bring it up during the design meeting
19:05:43 <stickster> schendje: We might want to reach a little further -- what about doing an independent blog post and dent/tweet that?
19:05:59 <schendje> stickster: we could, but tbh i'm not sure if it's a good idea to still make it a bounty
19:06:09 <schendje> making and doing the bounty itself is a lot of work too and will take some time
19:06:29 <schendje> maybe it's better if i move forward with it myself, at any rate it'll be much *faster*
19:06:57 <stickster> Yeah, maybe not a bounty per se. Possibly not a good fit since it's really a bunch of CSS programming we need. Do you want to blog just generally about it, saying "Hey, I 'm working on this thing, if you want to help here's how to reach out to me"?
19:07:22 <schendje> I haven't pushed anything myself for the last few weeks, and if I wait for someone else to do it it'll be a couple more weeks
19:07:26 <schendje> stickster: that sounds good to me!
19:07:58 <stickster> schendje: +1.
19:08:01 <schendje> personally i think that's the best way to go for now :)
19:08:15 <averi> stickster, is the only missing thing to go live the drupal theme?
19:08:16 <stickster> #action schendje will proceed with theme work, and will blog about it and invite others to contact him to help via Planet/dents/tweets
19:08:34 <stickster> averi: Well, I think we're also needing to be puppetized
19:08:42 <stickster> I was hoping smooge would be here to talk about that.
19:09:01 <schendje> btw, averi, i never responded to your email: you had some concerns about the theme? maybe we can discuss those here (or after the meeting)
19:09:05 <stickster> averi: Let's finish up with stuff from last week
19:09:22 <stickster> asrob: You were working on auto-content deletion for >30 day old feed items, how did that work out?
19:09:33 <averi> schendje, asrob's sandbox had some issues, but maybe those are fixed already
19:10:14 <averi> schendje, didnt have the possibility to check it out again
19:10:15 <asrob> stickster: I have an idea that we use date field but it needs drupal6-cck package for this
19:10:33 <schendje> averi: oh, ok. :)
19:10:47 <stickster> asrob: I think cck is one of the packages that was recently built.
19:10:53 <averi> schendje, but if you get my mail on our archives and check all the points up, it would be great :)
19:11:07 <asrob> stickster: oh, yes, my fault
19:11:11 <asrob> stickster: drupal6-date
19:11:16 <stickster> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=646611
19:11:47 <stickster> asrob: Ah, drupal6-date is one I'm supposed to be reviewing: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=646612
19:11:54 <stickster> asrob: That will be reviewed in the next 24-36 hours
19:12:00 <asrob> stickster: yep
19:12:03 * stickster #action'd himself already for that
19:12:23 <stickster> asrob: I can install the module manually if you need it to work with right now
19:12:34 <asrob> stickster: but I am looking for another solution which doesn't use drupal6-date module
19:13:06 <asrob> stickster: I think it is solvable with rules module that is installed yet
19:13:13 <stickster> asrob: OK
19:13:29 <asrob> stickster: if I can't do this, I'll leave a msg ;)
19:13:38 <stickster> #action asrob try to solve >30 day feed items auto-deletion using the rules module we already have, and contact the list if it can't work
19:14:26 <stickster> averi: You were looking into i18n/l10n workflow, but that's more of a longer range item. Should we cover that again next week after you're feeling better?
19:14:58 <averi> stickster, I did have a look about it
19:15:46 <stickster> averi: Go ahead
19:15:59 <averi> stickster, unfortunately there are no drupal modules that can integrate with transifex. So everything should be done manually by creating the insight project and importing the related .po files
19:16:16 <asrob> what?
19:16:22 <asrob> importing .po files?!
19:16:41 <stickster> Hm
19:16:48 <averi> asrob, is there any other way?
19:16:51 <asrob> oh no, what do we want, translate content?
19:16:55 <averi> asrob, yes
19:17:00 <stickster> asrob: correct
19:17:15 <asrob> then we don't use .po files
19:17:23 <averi> I found a guide about enabling all the 'l10n' stuff in drupal
19:17:28 <asrob> .po files contains modules/themes translatable strings
19:18:08 <averi> asrob, sure, how are we supposed to translate issues et all then?
19:18:08 <stickster> averi: asrob: The point of having averi look into this was to find out how we might be able to use Transifex as a translation engine, so that translators don't have to sign into yet another system to do translations
19:18:21 <asrob> the content translating is something different, that doesn't use .po files
19:18:42 <asrob> stickster: then we have to write a custom module
19:18:47 <averi> then we are stuck
19:18:48 <stickster> asrob: You're talking about the i18n/l10n tools that Drupal provides?
19:19:07 <asrob> stickster: yes
19:19:16 <stickster> averi: I think, before we start down the road of setting up a translation system, we first find out how many translators want to work on this
19:19:24 <asrob> stickster: that is drupalish way
19:19:30 <stickster> asrob: Right
19:19:44 <averi> stickster, that will be a problem
19:19:52 <asrob> if we want to use another workflow/system/whatever, we need to write a custom module
19:20:31 <averi> stickster, if we start having issues translated, we need to keep up providing them, so we need to make sure translators will keep up their work
19:20:32 <asrob> stickster: http://hojtsy.hu/blog/2011-jan-31/drupal-7039s-new-multilingual-systems-part-4-node-translation
19:21:25 <asrob> stickster: but it is for Drupal 7, but it is similar for Drupal 6
19:21:44 <averi> asrob, anyway I don't think there is an *easy* way to integrate with transifex
19:21:48 <averi> that's the main discussion here
19:22:03 <stickster> averi: I think you're right.
19:22:14 <stickster> #idea Let's defer this discussion for now, and come back to it after Phase 1 is in production.
19:22:34 <asrob> check comments too
19:22:52 * stickster thinks that once we have something up, it will become clear if we have people wanting to translate... and then we can invite them to help us figure this out too
19:22:57 <averi> stickster, I'll try to send a mail to the l10n mailing list to ask if someone could be interested in the role
19:23:19 <stickster> averi: Make sure it is clear in your post that this is going to happen after production for Phase 1, so we set expectations properly
19:23:47 * rbergeron peeks in
19:24:14 <averi> stickster, sure, I think the calendar thingy should have more priority then translations when we gonna hit phase1
19:24:32 <stickster> averi: I'm betting we can deal with both at once after Phase 1.
19:24:53 <averi> stickster, yup, and btw I had a talk with some guys of the infra team about the calendar
19:25:12 <stickster> averi: Let's move on to the next #topic so we can keep the meeting in order
19:25:21 <stickster> #topic Development -- calendar
19:25:24 <stickster> averi: Go ahead
19:25:27 <asrob> if you want to it, I will help with that
19:25:51 <averi> stickster, the zarafa istance is outdated and unmaintained atm and no one proposed to take it up
19:26:04 <stickster> averi: Yeah, I had surmised that too -- thanks for looking into it
19:26:13 <averi> stickster, they also told me that having yet another sofwtare to maintain into the infra won't be the best
19:26:33 <stickster> averi: So does that mean they are in favor of us being able to roll this into the Drupal we're already trying to stand up?
19:26:42 <stickster> ooo, bad English, try again stickster
19:26:54 <stickster> averi: So does that mean they are in favor of us running a calendar as part of our Drupal instance?
19:26:58 <averi> they would prefer us to maintain it as a team and to integrate it into drupal (which is easy to maintain and update)
19:27:03 <stickster> averi: Great.
19:27:17 <asrob> which calendar?
19:27:23 <stickster> #info People on this team need to do the Infrastructure orientation as part of the process
19:27:40 <stickster> asrob: drupal6-calendar is the other bug/request I'm reviewing :-)
19:27:49 <asrob> ah, I see ;)
19:28:23 <averi> I forwarded my mail to ricky about this but he didnt answer back on the list, will ping him for an explicit ack about this on our list.
19:29:32 <stickster> asrob: Is Calendar good in your opinion too?
19:29:45 <asrob> stickster: +1
19:29:47 <averi> stickster, and btw /me don't see the time we will be going live :)
19:29:54 <stickster> #agreed We'll add Calendar in Phase 2
19:30:17 <stickster> averi: It was supposed to be at FUDCon Tempe, but because of missing modules, host dependencies, etc. we weren't ready again :-\\
19:30:41 <averi> stickster, np, i'm sure we are close enough now :)
19:31:33 <stickster> averi: We can be ready soon after we have: (1) all modules needed in EL-6; (2) EL-6 has a buildout template from Infra; (3) theme finished; (4) everyone here has completed Infra orientation; (5) ??? (am I forgetting something?)
19:32:05 <stickster> averi: As asrob worked on development, he found additional modules we needed -- that meant we had to switch from EL-5 to EL-6 -- which meant our dependencies changed.
19:32:42 <averi> didnt know that, thought we were fine with the dependencies
19:33:15 <stickster> averi: Moving to EL-6 isn't very simple -- it means that the Infra team needs to have a template for building out EL-6 type hosts, which they are still working on.
19:33:44 <stickster> We also need a finished puppet config for Insight, which smooge is working on, and that depends on having the template too IIRC :-)
19:35:52 <averi> luckily we have smooge looking into it already :)
19:36:22 <stickster> averi: Yes, perhaps I can ask you to follow up with an email to the logistics@ list to see how he's doing on this?
19:36:38 <averi> sure
19:36:58 <stickster> #action averi email the logistics@ list to see how smooge is coming with EL-6 template and puppet manifest/content
19:37:22 <averi> stickster, please add the l10n mail as an action as well please
19:37:27 <stickster> averi: Sure!
19:37:42 <averi> thanks
19:37:56 <stickster> #action averi mail the trans@ list to find out if any translators are interested in working with us in Phase 2 on i18n/l10n development
19:38:08 <stickster> averi: asrob: I'm happy to continue, but I also respect the fact that you are both not feeling well. Would you like to talk about anything else?
19:38:13 <asrob> stickster: I am going to talk with Gabor Hojtsy about node translation, translation workflow, transifex
19:38:46 <averi> stickster, if there is anything else to discuss yet, I'm here. Did we cover all points on the agenda?
19:38:58 <asrob> it can be he has a good idea ;)
19:39:17 <stickster> asrob: I think we did, other than the FAD idea
19:39:36 <stickster> #action asrob Talk with Gabor Hojtsy about node translation workflow and Transifex ideas
19:39:48 <stickster> pcalarco isn't here to talk about FAD, but I'll ask about this on the list
19:40:02 <averi> wow, next meeting's duration will be around ~2 hours
19:40:05 <stickster> #action stickster Ask Pascal about Indiana LF FAD progress on logistics@
19:40:07 <stickster> heh
19:40:10 <stickster> averi: Never!
19:40:21 <stickster> For one thing, there's a meeting right after us, so we're bounded by that :-)
19:40:34 <averi> correct, we have just one free hour :)
19:40:55 <stickster> If we can't get done in 60 minutes we likely have more work to do on the list and elsewhere first :-)
19:41:25 <stickster> #agreed stickster didn't change topics well at this meeting for the notes. But everything should be captured in #info and #action as needed.
19:42:04 <asrob> stickster: when are Insight going into the wild? :)
19:42:17 <stickster> asrob: See above, I just spoke to this :-)
19:42:41 <stickster> We'll have a better chance of setting a new date once we hear back from smooge
19:43:10 <asrob> ah yes, I got it :)
19:43:26 <stickster> I should capture that too :-D
19:43:46 <stickster> #info We can set a new target date once we get some more specifics from smooge on the EL-6 template and puppetization
19:43:53 <stickster> #topic Open floor
19:44:01 <stickster> Does anyone want to discuss any other business?
19:44:09 <schendje> i've got a question
19:44:13 <schendje> where can i work on my theme? :)
19:44:23 <asrob> schendje: my sandbox?
19:44:24 <schendje> publictest4, ...09, insight.asrob.net?
19:44:29 <stickster> schendje: asrob's sandbox, or your own
19:44:47 <schendje> ok, will do that then, thanks
19:44:51 <asrob> schendje: I'll give you an ftp account ;)
19:44:52 <stickster> schendje: If you want, I can set up a cron job that pulls the theme onto publictest09 regularly
19:44:54 <averi> do we have a git repo for it?
19:44:57 <stickster> averi: Yes
19:45:37 <averi> will see if I can contribute somehow
19:45:45 <averi> will search it on fedorahosted
19:45:51 <stickster> schendje: But I think generally Infra team frowns on cron jobs like that... when you reach a point where you think people should see more completed work, you can email me or the list and I'll do a pull on pt09
19:46:03 <schendje> stickster: yep that sounds good!
19:46:13 <asrob> averi: git clone git://git.fedorahosted.org/git/fedora-insight-theme.git
19:46:18 <averi> ty
19:46:21 <stickster> schendje: I have complete documentation for installing Drupal on the wiki if you need it -- the page looks a little long at first but in actuality it only takes about 5 minutes to do
19:46:33 <stickster> schendje: That way you can work on this on any local system you like
19:46:38 <asrob> averi: or you are a member of theme group, git clone ssh://git.fedorahosted.org/git/fedora-insight-theme.git
19:46:42 <schendje> stickster: oh i've got my own sandbox, that's all good
19:46:46 <stickster> schendje: OK, cool
19:47:01 <stickster> schendje: So as long as you use the git repo, I can just do 'git pull' on pt09 to pick up your latest work any time you tell me
19:47:16 <stickster> schendje: The only reason it's me doing it is because I'm in the 'sysadmin-test' group, which gives SSH access to publictest hosts.
19:47:45 <averi> asrob, don't think I am, will get it through git://
19:47:55 <asrob> averi: ok
19:48:07 <schendje> stickster: actually i might also be in that group since recently, but it's probably still better if you do it ;)
19:48:59 <averi> schendje, I see the latest commit's date is the 13 of genuary
19:49:13 <averi> schendje, I think my comments on the list should still apply
19:49:20 <schendje> averi: probably, yes
19:49:21 <averi> thought we had an update :)
19:51:31 <asrob> so, the phase 1 is almost complete? am I right?
19:51:58 <stickster> schendje: One thing you may be able to do is eliminate the extra text in the theme/graphic header, since Drupal will output text for "Fedora Insight"
19:52:11 <schendje> stickster: oh yes definitely
19:52:28 <schendje> i think i asked asrob about that, i will remove the "hardcoded" text from the images
19:52:35 <schendje> that's my next step
19:52:38 <asrob> yep :)
19:52:41 <stickster> Superb!
19:53:49 <stickster> I don't have anything else guys, shall we close?
19:54:08 <schendje> stickster: +1, i've got nothing to add
19:54:14 <asrob> stickster: yep
19:54:14 <stickster> #info When anyone wants the theme refreshed, just email logistics@ or stickster to do a git pull on pt09
19:54:17 <stickster> Cool
19:54:18 <stickster> #endmeeting