21:00:17 <rbergeron> #startmeeting Cloud SIG 21:00:17 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Feb 17 21:00:17 2011 UTC. The chair is rbergeron. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:00:17 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 21:00:23 <rbergeron> #meetingname Cloud SIG 21:00:23 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'cloud_sig' 21:00:40 <rbergeron> #topic Roll call!! 21:00:48 * rbergeron preps for an exciting meeting of fun. 21:00:55 <gholms> ROFLCOPTER POWNTERSKATES 21:01:17 <brianlamere> we should be funny and say there's nothing to discuss, then end the meeting - just because they ran out of time. then talk about fudcon. ;) 21:01:26 <rbergeron> lol 21:01:37 * rbergeron wonders what a pownterskates is, exactly. 21:01:51 <rbergeron> hello jgreguske, mgoldmann, brianlamere, gholms :) 21:01:57 <gholms> LOLOLOL 21:01:58 * obino wondering what's in the water today 21:02:05 <jgreguske> hey 21:02:09 <mgoldmann> morning again! 21:02:20 * rackerhacker ohai's 21:02:42 <rbergeron> hey rackerhacker 21:02:43 <jforbes> hai 21:02:45 <rbergeron> obino ;) 21:02:48 <rbergeron> mr. forbes 21:02:58 <rbergeron> Shall we have a meeting? 21:02:59 <brianlamere> obino: di-hydrogen monoxide. really dangerous chemical, kills half a million per year, probably 21:03:23 <rbergeron> #topic EC2 21:03:31 <rbergeron> I figure i'll get the fun stuff out of the way first. 21:03:46 <rbergeron> jforbes: anything exciting in the world of ec2? 21:04:06 <gholms> Amazon is making more money than ever. :3 21:04:08 <jforbes> Nothing too new to report at this moment, as of yesterday still waiting for koji 21:04:12 * brianlamere listens intently 21:04:13 <jgreguske> I sent a patch to dgilmore 20 minutes ago to work around the koji image building problem 21:04:26 <jforbes> jgreguske: you rock sir! 21:04:35 <dgilmore> i sent a request asking for ok to apply the patch 21:04:39 <jgreguske> jforbes: I'm glad you're the patient type 21:04:43 <jgreguske> :) 21:05:06 <rbergeron> gholms: lol 21:05:16 * rbergeron throws a rock at her vpn 21:05:19 * jforbes is under a mountain of virt stuff this week, so patience is easy 21:05:31 <jgreguske> jforbes: I'll petition bcl to build a fixed livecd-tools for f14 (or I'll do it myself) 21:05:38 <jgreguske> wasn't abel to reach him today 21:05:56 <jforbes> jgreguske: thanks 21:06:54 <gholms> Thanks for doing all that, guys. 21:06:54 <rbergeron> anything else? :) 21:06:59 <gholms> s3cmd? 21:07:04 <jgreguske> nothing from me 21:07:15 <gholms> LAst week we talked about testing that. 21:07:24 <rbergeron> Sure. s3cmd is something related to me asking around about testing money, which I've failed miserably to do. 21:07:33 <rbergeron> I think. 21:07:37 * rbergeron looks at her sent mails 21:07:41 <gholms> :-\ 21:07:51 * tibbs|h scrolls back.... 21:08:15 <rbergeron> Oh, wait - I think someone was going to send me a mail re: estimates, or something. 21:08:22 * rbergeron looks at brianlamere 21:08:28 <brianlamere> ha - and in the mean time, it died on a large file for me yesterday :P though that's not terribly much an issue...maybe. 280M, died at 250, had to restart 21:08:34 <brianlamere> oh...err... 21:08:52 <brianlamere> yeah. let me...send that to you this afternoon. :/ 21:08:56 <mgoldmann> this is called ping-pong :) 21:09:15 * rbergeron knew something was going to trigger her memory 21:09:21 * rbergeron tosses a ball at mgoldmann 21:09:27 <rbergeron> Okay. Beyond the money angle: 21:09:51 * mgoldmann was killed by that ball 21:09:53 * rbergeron looks around for comments, questions, something about things dying up above from brianlamere 21:10:11 <gholms> #action brianlamere will send rbergeron cost estimates for S3 mirror testing 21:10:17 <rbergeron> #chair gholms 21:10:17 <zodbot> Current chairs: gholms rbergeron 21:11:14 <gholms> rbergeron: Anything actionable as far as accounts go? 21:11:40 * rbergeron thinks. Sorry, I'm incredibly slow today. 21:12:14 <rbergeron> #action rbergeron to still sort out "who has what accounts and what they are for and who pays for them" 21:12:35 <rbergeron> If that's what you're asking 21:12:50 * gholms nods 21:13:30 <rbergeron> Other than that, no. 21:13:36 * rbergeron will fire off that mail in short order here. 21:14:14 <gholms> What's next? 21:14:33 * rbergeron looks around for any other EC2-related comments, questions, etc. 21:14:38 <jgreguske> jforbes: update 21:14:38 <rbergeron> I'm not seeing much. 21:14:42 <rbergeron> oh, wait. 21:15:02 <jgreguske> jforbes: bcl is going to build an f14 livecd-tools tomorrow that should have the backported f15 fix 21:15:03 <brianlamere> anything I would say is followup to my own stuff, so...meh. 21:15:13 <jforbes> jgreguske: excellent, thanks 21:15:20 <jgreguske> sure thing 21:15:22 * jgreguske done 21:16:11 * rbergeron hugs brianlamere 21:16:42 <rbergeron> #info bcl is going to build an f14 livecd-tools tomorrow that should have the backported f15 fix 21:16:47 <rbergeron> Okay! movin on. 21:16:50 <gholms> Awesome 21:16:50 <rbergeron> #topic BoxGrinder 21:16:57 <rbergeron> mgoldmann: HELLO! 21:17:12 * mgoldmann raises his hand and says hello back 21:17:28 <mgoldmann> so, I have only 2 informations 21:17:38 <mgoldmann> we have new website! http://boxgrinder.org/ 21:17:48 <obino> nice! 21:17:49 <gholms> Got sick of the old one? 21:17:54 <gholms> :P 21:18:19 <mgoldmann> the chat is logged, so I'll say – it was asking for a refresh :) 21:18:29 <gholms> Heh 21:18:49 <mgoldmann> but, now blog is under same domain, tutorials etc 21:18:53 <mgoldmann> everything in one place 21:19:08 <gholms> How has 0.8 seemed? 21:20:00 * mgoldmann is not sure what gholms is asking about :( 21:20:17 <gholms> BG 0.8? 21:20:27 <gholms> You know, the program you spend a lot of time working on it. 21:20:32 <mgoldmann> yes, BG 0.8.0, was released some time ago, after fudcon 21:20:39 <jgreguske> mgoldmann: how has reception/feedback for 0.8 been 21:20:40 <mgoldmann> http://boxgrinder.org/blog/2011/02/09/boxgrinder-build-0-8-0-released-finally/ 21:20:46 <mgoldmann> ah, there we go 21:20:58 <gholms> Yeah, I meant what jgreguske said. :) 21:21:18 <mgoldmann> so far I hadn't recevied any bug reports, and folks who use it and I know about it - like it 21:21:38 * ke4qqq appears late 21:21:38 * mgoldmann sucks with his English 21:21:52 <gholms> Excellent 21:21:58 <gholms> What's next? 21:22:07 * rbergeron hands gholms the whip 21:22:10 <rbergeron> ;) 21:22:14 <mgoldmann> I've built today CentOS 5 appliance on Fedora 14 without issues! 21:22:25 <gholms> rbergeron: I strictly use blades. 21:22:32 <rbergeron> gholms: interesting. 21:22:32 * gholms pulls out his rapier 21:22:40 <jgreguske> mgoldmann: you still using app-t behind the scenes? 21:22:43 <gholms> mgoldmann: That IS good news! 21:22:46 <mgoldmann> and the appliance works like a charm, no issues, warning, nothing 21:22:55 <gholms> With selinux on as well? 21:23:01 <mgoldmann> jgreguske: yes 21:23:08 <mgoldmann> gholms: yes! 21:23:11 <jgreguske> mgoldmann: how are you getting past rpm incompat? 21:23:13 <gholms> :D 21:23:22 <gholms> jgreguske: He rebuilds the rpm database. 21:23:24 <mgoldmann> simple RPM database dump + import 21:23:30 <jgreguske> ah ok 21:23:46 <jgreguske> mgoldmann: before and after? 21:23:51 <mgoldmann> this was possible because of gholms and skvidal 21:23:55 <mgoldmann> jgreguske: just after 21:24:05 <gholms> I did some… testing for skvidal. :) 21:24:25 <mgoldmann> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/BGBUILD-148 21:24:26 <mgoldmann> jgreguske: ^ 21:25:13 <jgreguske> thanks; was just curious 21:25:48 <mgoldmann> most probably this feature will be added to the next release, maybe 0.8.1 21:26:08 <mgoldmann> but more probably 0.9.0 21:26:25 <mgoldmann> this needs some tests of course :) 21:26:38 <mgoldmann> that's all from my side - any questions? 21:26:48 <obino> what do we need to do to help you with the eucalyptus plugin? 21:27:00 <mgoldmann> obino: fix bugs I reported :) 21:27:04 <gholms> Heh 21:27:10 <obino> :) 21:27:11 * rbergeron salutes mgoldmann for his insane levels of productivity, as always :) 21:27:13 <mgoldmann> one sec, compiling the list 21:27:14 * gholms looks for links 21:27:57 <mgoldmann> https://bugs.launchpad.net/euca2ools/+bug/704658 21:28:02 * rbergeron waves to the late ke4qqq in a delayed way 21:29:01 <gholms> Oh yeah, region support. 21:29:48 <mgoldmann> https://bugs.launchpad.net/euca2ools/+bug/711534 21:30:02 <gholms> Right now mgarnaat has euca2ools completely torn apart, so now is not a good time for me to be working on it. 21:30:17 <mgoldmann> sorry it took so long - searched for "list my bugs" link on launchpad 21:30:28 <obino> thanks for the list: I'll take as an action item to flog gholms publicly each week the bugs stays open 21:30:34 <mgoldmann> that's all I reported, so not so much 21:30:51 <mgoldmann> after this I can go further with eucalyptus support 21:31:02 <gholms> mgoldmann: Was the second of those the bug where the same command works with S3 but not Eucalyptus? 21:31:02 <mgoldmann> obino: thanks :) 21:31:14 <mgoldmann> gholms: yes 21:31:27 * gholms reassigns the bug 21:32:23 <gholms> What's next? 21:32:51 <rbergeron> hmmm. 21:32:55 * rbergeron looks around at who's here 21:33:09 <gholms> CloudFS/whatever? 21:33:12 <rbergeron> oh, wait, I shouldn't do that. 21:33:23 <gholms> Open floor? 21:33:24 <rbergeron> yeah, I don't see jdarcy. I'll go ring him in the cloud channel. 21:33:32 <rbergeron> All hail gholms? :) 21:33:34 <gholms> Aeoleus? (Not sure how it's spelled) 21:33:57 <mgoldmann> ejlus (polish) 21:34:04 <mmorsi> aeolus* 21:34:06 <mgoldmann> but this doesn't help you either 21:34:28 * rbergeron waits for a jdarcy or a clalance 21:34:29 <gholms> mmorsi: I figured if I threw enough vowels in there I would be close. :P 21:34:34 <mmorsi> heh 21:34:37 <rbergeron> oh 21:34:39 <rbergeron> mmorsi :) 21:34:41 <rbergeron> DUH 21:34:48 <mmorsi> don't worry, i'm easy to miss ;-) 21:34:59 <clalance> rbergeron just reminded me. 21:35:00 <clalance> Sorry. 21:35:00 <mmorsi> not too much more to report on that front anyways 21:35:06 <mmorsi> we just closed out a sprint 21:35:06 <gholms> Change /topic plzkthx 21:35:09 <rbergeron> I don't think I saw you walk in. ;) 21:35:15 <rbergeron> #topic Aeolus 21:35:25 <mmorsi> aight shall i repeat myself ;-) 21:35:41 <rbergeron> Sorry. I apparently suck today. :) 21:36:13 <clalance> Right, like mmorsi said, not a whole lot to report. 21:36:27 <mmorsi> just closed out our sprint finished ui revamp (removed old bit), initial security configuration, search integration, and published new rpms w/ a slew of changes to our repo 21:36:44 <mmorsi> http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/aeolus/packages/ 21:37:40 <rbergeron> cool. 21:37:43 * rbergeron is looking at it now 21:38:11 * mgoldmann thinks some links should be noticed by our chairs 21:38:17 <mmorsi> ya we were able to remove a few deps (thx in part to boxgrinder pulling in euca2ools) and get a few into fedora as well 21:38:31 <gholms> mgoldmann: zodbot picks up every link these days. :) 21:38:35 <rbergeron> mgoldmann: links get automagically added in now, IIRC, without having to add the #link 21:38:42 <mgoldmann> hey, nice! 21:38:46 * mgoldmann shut ups 21:38:50 <rbergeron> if only zodbot could read our minds more. 21:39:02 <mmorsi> we have various things in store for our next sprint included expanding on all these, more integration between components (such as warehouse integration into the ui and tighter integration w/ condor and the conductor), a more robust / automated test systems, etc 21:39:09 <gholms> rbergeron: I don't want zodbot to know what's in my mind. 21:39:09 <rbergeron> #chair mgoldmann 21:39:09 <zodbot> Current chairs: gholms mgoldmann rbergeron 21:39:19 <brianlamere> gholms +1 21:39:25 <clalance> Yeah, probably best that way ;). 21:39:26 <gholms> mmorsi: Sounds like you guys have a lot on your plate. 21:39:30 <rbergeron> no, we don't need a corrupted zodbot ;) 21:39:39 <mmorsi> gholms: yeh, but whats new ? ;-) 21:39:57 <gholms> mmorsi: AFAICT just BG 0.8. 21:40:04 <gholms> Everything else is old. 21:40:08 <clalance> Haha. 21:40:11 <mgoldmann> and website! 21:40:12 <mgoldmann> :) 21:40:23 * mgoldmann tries to pimp his work 21:40:26 <gholms> Open floor? 21:40:42 <rbergeron> Sure. 21:40:45 <mmorsi> sure, thats bout it 4 me 21:40:46 <rbergeron> #topic Open Floor 21:40:54 * gholms pets zodbot 21:41:38 <mgoldmann> What about test days? 21:41:50 <gholms> What would you like to test? 21:41:50 <brianlamere> ls 21:41:57 <brianlamere> (heh - sorry) 21:42:02 <rbergeron> oh, that's a good topic. 21:42:05 <rbergeron> #topic Test Days 21:42:07 <mgoldmann> BG feature? 21:42:11 <rbergeron> jforbes: you still about? 21:42:19 <rbergeron> Yeah, so we have a few things we can test. 21:42:21 <jforbes> rbergeron: I am 21:42:25 * rbergeron pulls out the schedule to see where we are. 21:42:29 <mgoldmann> we have here our QA guy - msavy which has done some BG testing for us 21:42:34 <gholms> mgoldmann: That's a decent idea. Up for making a test day page? 21:42:37 <rbergeron> jforbes: test days 21:42:44 <rbergeron> gholms: there is already a Cloud SIG test day page. 21:42:52 <mgoldmann> gholms: cloud SIG test days page? 21:42:54 <rbergeron> or, well - 21:42:54 <jforbes> Right, so we need to start getting individual test plans done 21:42:58 <gholms> We have one, eh? 21:43:00 <rbergeron> I filed a ticket with QA 21:43:00 * gholms looks 21:43:04 <rbergeron> to get a test day 21:43:13 <mgoldmann> do we have a link to that page? 21:43:14 * rbergeron goes and looks in her tickets 21:43:18 <jforbes> This is similar to virtualization, in that we have several things to test that are loosely related under the cloud moniker 21:43:22 <mgoldmann> I'm happy to add some BG stuff there 21:43:42 <jforbes> Essentially we need individual test pages for the various features/items that link off of the main page 21:44:07 <mgoldmann> yep, god idea, are there any examples from previous releases? 21:44:13 <mgoldmann> good even :) 21:44:22 <jforbes> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2010-04-08_Virtualization is an example 21:44:38 <mgoldmann> jforbes: thanks 21:44:40 <rbergeron> Well, I filed a test day ticket, in any case. 21:44:47 <rbergeron> Maybe I'm missing a step here. 21:45:22 <jforbes> rbergeron: Umm, I updated the wiki page myself for Virt... The test day tickets have not been getting any response this cycle for some reason 21:45:23 * mgoldmann is new to Test Days 21:45:39 <rbergeron> jforbes: hopefully it's not something I'm supposed to be doing :) HAH 21:45:53 <rbergeron> adamw, jlaska: do I just need to make the wiki page myself for a cloud test day? 21:45:59 * rbergeron wonders if either are about by chance 21:46:11 <jforbes> not sure what the deal is on it now 21:46:20 <adamw> rbergeron: it's kinda up to you 21:46:30 <adamw> you can take as much or as little help from qa as you like 21:46:40 <adamw> if you'd like us to help you set up the page and test cases and so on, just yell out on the ticket 21:46:50 <jforbes> rbergeron: okay, so we can do the page/pages 21:47:00 <jforbes> Did the test day actually make it to the calendar? 21:47:08 <adamw> do use the template as a basis if you diy 21:47:18 <mgoldmann> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Fedora_15_test_days 21:47:26 <jlaska> rbergeron: what adamw said :D 21:47:28 <rbergeron> jforbes: not that I see. 21:47:29 <jforbes> adamw: yup, it will end up being just like the virt ones 21:47:36 <rbergeron> Do I just steal a slot on the calendar? 21:47:56 <jforbes> rbergeron: that's what I did after there wasn't any response for a bit 21:48:02 * rbergeron was trying to follow the instructionz 21:48:04 <adamw> yup, go ahead and grab one 21:48:08 <adamw> what's the ticket for this day? 21:48:15 * adamw away selling stuff for a few mins 21:48:27 <rbergeron> adamw: i'll pull it back up 21:48:32 <rbergeron> adamw: what are you selling? 21:48:32 <mgoldmann> what things we have really to test? 21:49:15 <mgoldmann> I can see only BG from feature list 21:49:26 <mgoldmann> and CloudFS, but I'm not sure if this will go as F15 feature 21:49:38 <jforbes> mgoldmann: EC2 images, BG, some of the delta stuff 21:49:41 <brianlamere> didn't he say he was pushing back to 16? 21:49:47 <rbergeron> adamw, jforbes: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/169 21:49:52 <mgoldmann> jforbes: right 21:49:54 <rbergeron> CloudFS is getting pushed to 16, yes 21:50:06 <jforbes> rbergeron: are you updating the schedule page, or shall I? 21:50:23 <rbergeron> jforbes: I'll let you - I recall we wanted 4/28 as first choice 21:50:27 <rbergeron> or 3/24 21:50:35 <jforbes> 4/28 is good 21:50:55 <rbergeron> I know you have the virt stuff to work around :) 21:51:05 <mgoldmann> there is also 4/21 - one week after virt 21:51:41 <rbergeron> mgoldmann: Do you think msavy would want to participate (even if just from planning angle)? 21:51:50 <msavy> sure, the more I can learn the better 21:52:32 <mgoldmann> rbergeron: definitely! 21:52:34 <rbergeron> oh, hey msavy :) 21:52:45 <mgoldmann> the plan is to do some integration tests on EC2 21:52:48 <jforbes> Page updated 21:52:50 <rbergeron> jforbes: Want to just shoot the list a link when you have the page framed? 21:52:53 <rbergeron> oh 21:52:54 <rbergeron> you're *awesome* 21:53:03 <mgoldmann> automatic launch, do the test and gather results 21:53:04 <msavy> rbergeron, hi! 21:54:10 <msavy> yeah, just need to construct some tests that will give, with a high degree of accuracy, that the OS built is definitely working 21:54:36 * rbergeron nods 21:54:47 <gholms> Run an HTTP server for one of the tests. 21:54:52 <gholms> (with selinux on) 21:54:54 <brianlamere> ha 21:55:07 <brianlamere> sad, but true 21:55:29 <rbergeron> Do we want to talk about the possible tests in the wiki page itself, or start in email? 21:55:34 <msavy> Yeah, you can get some fairly insidious problems where everything ostensibly looks good, but is actually broken in some subtle way 21:55:35 * rbergeron sort of thinks wiki would probably work well 21:55:42 <msavy> agree, seems a good idea. 21:55:54 <brianlamere> yeah, do the basic stuff. maybe set up a package that installs httpd, mysql-server, starts both, creates a database, launches a webpage, then tries to visit it...with a success being a page that pops up 21:56:04 <jforbes> yeah, will shoot a message when the outline is ready 21:56:10 <rbergeron> Coolio. 21:56:21 <rbergeron> #action jforbes to send mail when test day page is outlined 21:56:33 <rbergeron> #action Everyone: Put in your ideas to the wiki page once Justin sends out details for Cloud test day. 21:56:40 <brianlamere> msavy: there was a bug that most notably affected httpd, that's why it was mentioned 21:56:40 <gholms> Thanks 21:56:54 <mgoldmann> brianlamere: yep, fixed in BG 21:57:09 <gholms> We aren't using BG to spin the EC2 images. 21:57:14 <mgoldmann> (just for the record) 21:57:41 <mgoldmann> yep, that true too :) 21:58:00 <rbergeron> #topic Any other business? 21:58:16 <msavy> brianlamere, yeah i remember that we found it was to do with Amazon's ancient version of XEN 21:58:18 * rbergeron doesn't mean to move along but she's poofing in about 30 seconds :) 21:58:32 <brianlamere> msavy: aye 21:58:34 <msavy> I made some test appliances which have proven very useful for manual testing thusfar, verifying various bits of BG have executed properly et cetera https://github.com/msavy/boxgrinder-appliances/tree/master/testing-appliances/modular-appls 21:59:11 <gholms> #info msavy made some BG appliances we can use for testing: https://github.com/msavy/boxgrinder-appliances/tree/master/testing-appliances/modular-appls 21:59:50 <gholms> Anything else? 22:00:13 <mgoldmann> Not from my side, thanks! 22:00:56 <gholms> Thanks for coming, everyone! 22:01:00 <gholms> #endmeeting