00:00:32 #startmeeting Fedora Docs Project - Agenda https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings 00:00:32 Meeting started Thu Feb 17 00:00:32 2011 UTC. The chair is zoglesby. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 00:00:32 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 00:00:40 #topic Roll Call 00:00:52 * jhradilek is awake. 00:01:09 * jjmcd 00:01:12 * rudi_ is here 00:01:57 #topic Follow up on last week's action items 00:01:59 * Sparks is here... barely 00:02:22 Sparks: to late, role call is over :P 00:02:29 :( 00:02:33 1. jjmcd to follow up with fedora-bookmarks packager 00:02:45 Sent yet another email 00:03:08 jjmcd: he/she is not following up with you? 00:03:12 Not sure what to do if he continues unresponsive 00:03:29 Nope, it's like a black hole 00:03:39 hmm 00:03:58 Altho, I think Spot may think the same of me so perhaps I shouldn't complain 00:04:06 * dmaxel is here, just late to roll call :P 00:04:40 dmaxel -- hurry up, sit down, take your books out, and don't disturb anybody next to you! 00:04:49 jjmcd: not sure what else we can do, other then maybe file a bug agaist the package 00:04:57 There is a bug 00:05:04 Thats what started it 00:05:10 jjmcd -- have you set NEEDSINFO? 00:05:12 653737 00:05:29 No, we don't need info, we know what has to be done 00:05:59 That's a bug about pidgin... 00:06:04 but I'll do that just in case it helps 00:06:14 656737 00:06:21 sorry, it's on the other screen 00:06:55 NP :) 00:07:08 any ideas? 00:07:12 anyone? 00:07:14 NEEDSINFO can be a good attention-getter if you're not afraid to abuse it 00:07:24 Well, I just did so we'll see 00:07:38 2. jjmcd and nb to come up with a redirect plan 00:07:50 * kanarip is here, fwiw 00:07:58 Hi Jeroen 00:08:13 This one languished long enough that I forgot what we needed 00:08:13 hi there ;-) 00:08:21 so it looked harder than it really is 00:08:38 I think we just need to get me an nb together for a short 00:08:45 Or maybe even an email 00:09:16 But I would rather chat in real time 00:09:28 because we are asking him to update a link each release 00:10:13 so, you just need to figure out when both of you can sit down at the same time and bust this out? 00:10:29 YEah, it's pretty clear what needs to be done 00:10:45 But I don't want to just send an email saying "Nick, do this" 00:10:54 I would rather he agrees its the right thing 00:11:15 #action jjmcd and nb to discuss redirect 00:11:24 R 00:11:54 fwiw, he can prepare a redirect for many releases to come with mod_rewrite testing whether the target file exists on the filesystem 00:11:55 #topic Fedora 15 Schedule 00:12:22 I failed look at the schedule this week and missed three items 00:12:27 http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-15/f-15-docs-tasks.html 00:12:50 Start Alpha Beat and Feature Page Review, Notify Development About Alpha Release Note, Comb Beats and Feature Pages for Alpha 00:13:35 would someone be able to get the ball rolling on this after the meeting? 00:14:02 All that really needs done today is the second item 00:14:39 There's a meeting tonight for Docs, right? 00:14:48 GadgetWisdomGuru: right now 00:14:55 Good 00:14:59 I've been absent for weeks 00:15:15 * jjmcd is pretty full right now, expect he will need to basically do the alpha notes next week 00:15:21 the other thing to note is that we need to start working on Prepare Alpha Release Notes (1 page) 00:15:34 But can't commit to much of anything before Monday 00:15:54 jjmcd: okay, I remember seeing some step up the other day, but I can't find it 00:16:11 I will try and work on something this weekend 00:16:25 and maybe get some help from others on irc 00:16:43 #action zoglesby to start working on Alpha Release Notes 00:17:04 If you get something out, add a (Done ~~) to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Notes_schedule 00:17:19 jjmcd: roger 00:17:23 I think the note to Dev is more pressing 00:17:45 anyone else have any schedule related stuff? 00:18:59 jjmcd: I will have to send that to devs tomorrow, if no one can do it 00:19:24 If you can that would be good. I *MIGHT* manage it tomorrow but ... 00:19:58 I will get it 00:20:20 #action zoglesby to mail devs about alpha release notes 00:20:56 #topic Release Notes 00:21:22 jjmcd: its all yours here 00:21:33 Well, we dealt with the schedule bit 00:21:37 But you can see 00:21:49 we REALLY, REALLY, REALLY need someone to take point 00:21:59 And especially, watching over the schedule 00:22:04 so we don't let things slip 00:22:47 #agreed 00:22:47 I expect to continue to get these little bursts that take me away at the most inopportune times 00:23:16 Should be OK after June, but that is after release 00:24:08 anyone else have anything for RN? 00:24:58 #topic Guide Status 00:25:31 Any issues with guides? Anyone need help getting things ready for F15? 00:26:40 All quiet here; I guess we won't really know till we've played with Alpha enough to assess the impact :) 00:27:03 rudi_: should be fun! 00:27:13 #topic Trans Migration 00:28:07 We will have scripts to test, and probably some to build. Any info on when we can do this? 00:28:44 jjmcd: when we can migrate over? 00:29:05 Well, I would hope we would test first 00:29:46 jjmcd: trans.fp.o is shutting off on the 18th, so not much time to test 00:29:56 oh goodie 00:30:17 And I don't imagine we have a test instance anyway 00:30:47 like I pointed out on the list the biggest change is that we no longer the ability to let tx git commit for us 00:31:21 we now have to use the tx command-line client to pull down new translations 00:31:39 I see an upside to that, actually. But it also means we have scripts to identify, update, test 00:31:58 rudi_: I would like to get with you some time this week to see how this is going to affect publishing to the docs.fp.o 00:32:21 zoglesby -- sure 00:32:28 jjmcd: yeah, and thats what we need to work on 00:32:33 * nb here 00:33:13 #action zoglesby and rudi identify any issue with trans migration and docs.fp.o 00:33:14 My concern is the builds - task 19 00:33:56 jjmcd: whats the concern? 00:34:13 That is all automatic 00:34:22 now there are additional steps we need to add 00:34:32 Don't know whether it matters when/how they occur 00:34:42 And no testing 00:34:52 it should just be adding tx pull to the script 00:35:00 "SHOULD" 00:35:27 You know these things are never as simple as they should be 00:36:40 There will be teething pains to be sure, but that's how it is out here on the bleeding edge :) 00:36:46 ;-) 00:36:50 I admit that we did not have a good amount of lead time on this, but we have it much easier then devs, who are already at string freeze, we need to start testing this stuff ASAP and we should be able to deal with it in time 00:37:16 Sounds like this move should have been delayed until after release 00:37:59 L10N and Infra both felt that moving now was a better move 00:38:37 I bet dev didn't, but that is water under the bridge 00:38:44 I would have like it to not have been this late in the game, but I am sure we can adapt and overcome 00:38:45 We do what we got to do 00:39:23 any other comments on this issue? 00:39:34 I'm not thrilled by it 00:39:48 But that's also water under the bridge :( 00:40:16 #topic Outstanding BZ Tickets 00:40:33 #link http://tinyurl.com/lbrq84 00:41:02 I saw a few new bugs pop up this week, but nothing crazy 00:41:31 anyone have anything here? need help? have an issue? 00:41:55 I said I was going to do the overview again 00:42:05 When do I need to get that in? It has been crazy for me lately 00:42:36 GWG - looks like early March 00:42:57 Ideally Mar 1 but as late as Mar 9 00:43:32 Okay. 00:43:37 I'll make sure I get a daft in 00:43:40 draft 00:43:54 GWG: thanks! 00:43:59 #topic Open floor discussion 00:44:05 anything else? 00:44:08 yep 00:44:20 jjmcd: floor is yours 00:44:27 Stickster reposted a note from smooge about the old web tree 00:44:47 Unfortunately, I have no clue how to look to see whether anything there needs saving 00:44:57 jjmcd, you're in sysadmin-web i think? 00:45:14 ssh bastion.fedoraproject.org, ssh bapp01, cd /srv/web/docs.old (or wherever) 00:45:15 sysadmin something - I get plenty of Nagios messages 00:45:23 I think it is web 00:45:40 Roger that . Thanks 00:45:44 np 00:45:59 jjmcd: are you going to look into that? 00:46:03 yep 00:46:21 #action jjmcd to look into docs.old to make sure nothing needs saved 00:46:41 jjmcd: thanks I forgot about that 00:46:45 anything else? 00:47:06 Yesterday was ENIAC day - I totally missed it 00:47:31 3 00:47:36 2 00:47:40 1 00:47:44 #endmeeting