20:01:56 #startmeeting 20:01:56 Meeting started Wed Mar 9 20:01:56 2011 UTC. The chair is cwickert. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:01:56 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 20:02:20 #meeting name EMEA Ambassadors meeting 2011-03-09 20:02:21 #meetingname EMEA Ambassadors meeting 2011-03-09 20:02:21 The meeting name has been set to 'emea_ambassadors_meeting_2011-03-09' 20:02:38 .fas gentth 20:02:38 gentth: gent 'Gent Thaci' 20:02:43 .fas heffer 20:02:44 heffer: heffer 'Felix Kaechele' 20:03:14 calm down :) 20:03:27 let's wait a few minuntes for others to show up, ok? 20:03:37 I have just pinged a few people 20:03:59 * jsmith lurks for the fun of it 20:04:06 :D 20:04:21 i saw the clock that 2 minutes passed and I thought that I am late :) 20:04:58 beb 20:04:58 *brb 20:06:52 ok, I think we should start as soon as gentth is back 20:08:19 .fas Geroldka 20:08:19 GeroldKa: geroldka 'Gerold Kassube' 20:09:05 ok, I'm not waiting any longer 20:09:25 #topic roll call 20:09:31 .fas cwickert 20:09:31 cwickert: cwickert 'Christoph Wickert' 20:09:37 .fas heffer 20:09:37 heffer: heffer 'Felix Kaechele' 20:10:12 anybody? 20:10:23 rsc: ping 20:10:34 .fas Geroldka 20:10:35 GeroldKa: geroldka 'Gerold Kassube' 20:10:37 Robert Scheck (robert) 20:11:14 .fas t2hot 20:11:18 t2hot: twohot 'Onyeibo Oku' 20:11:47 ok everybody, please make sure to follow the meeting protocoll 20:11:49 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRCHowTo#Protocol 20:12:07 the agenda for today's meeting can be found at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:EMEA_Ambassadors_2011-02-23 20:12:23 or is it? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:EMEA_Ambassadors_2011-03-09 20:12:45 heffer: right 20:13:25 :-P 20:13:41 ok, sorry about that 20:14:02 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:EMEA_Ambassadors_2011-03-09 20:14:13 here we go 20:14:30 #topic Announcements 20:14:40 any announcements? 20:14:51 nothing from my side ;) 20:15:56 also nothing from my side 20:16:08 expect the cheatcube samples have arrived today 20:16:39 GeroldKa: please tell us more 20:16:47 pictures are here: http://geroldka.fedorapeople.org/cheat/ 20:16:57 we have two supplier 20:17:17 one german (that one who did all the quality stuff so far) near Stuttgart 20:17:31 and a send one which is in Hungary near Zoltan 20:17:42 looks nice, thanks for that work 20:17:57 how many of these do we have? 20:17:58 oh, you're welcome Christoph 20:18:12 the thank must also go to Zoltan .-) 20:18:19 zero right now 20:18:29 because this is a quality sample 20:18:43 I see. how many are we trying to produce? 20:18:44 I want to have them .... 20:19:00 depends on the money Christoph 20:19:04 and where to produce 20:19:22 ok, you and zoltan are working on that, right? 20:19:28 I don't have the prices in my head 20:19:43 but I guess the german one was more expensive 20:19:53 but maybe faster 20:19:55 #info GeroldKa told us that the cheatcube samples have arrived, see http://geroldka.fedorapeople.org/cheat/ 20:19:57 I don't know 20:20:06 it's up to FAMSCo to decide 20:20:18 that said; Pierros is in charge for desiccion 20:20:28 which will be done tomorrow (he promised) 20:20:36 #action GeroldKa and Zoltan will figure out the details about production and pricing and then FAmSCo is to decide 20:20:43 ok, thanks GeroldKa 20:20:54 any more announcements? 20:21:02 that #action part 1 is donr :-) 20:21:16 #topic F14 Media production 20:21:20 this is for me I guess 20:21:24 just a quick update 20:21:43 the company was still fighting some problems with the sleeves, namely the new fonts 20:21:47 but we solved them 20:22:07 it took some time however, basically it delayed everything for one more week 20:22:19 this means that the media are to arrive next week 20:22:31 just in time for Chemnitzer Linuxtage 20:22:36 ? 20:22:45 GeroldKa: go ahead 20:22:55 do I also get some for Graz? 20:23:03 for April? 20:23:12 yes, you have filed a ticket, right? 20:23:20 yes, I have 20:23:27 ok, then you'll get some 20:23:28 :) 20:23:44 it is very important to follow the process 20:23:51 but filling a ticket is not guarantee to get shit done, right?! 20:24:02 GeroldKa: we are coming to that later, right 20:24:18 we are having some problems with the swag tracking atm 20:24:30 t2hot: if you want media for Africa, please file a ticket, too 20:24:50 * t2hot = okay ... url please? 20:25:01 #link https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ 20:25:40 .fas gentth 20:25:40 gentth: gent 'Gent Thaci' 20:26:01 sorry for being late, had problems with internet connection 20:26:19 #info if you need media, please file a ticket. file separate tickets for media and booth material. tickets for media should be assigned to cwickert directly 20:26:25 ok, anything more on media? 20:26:48 then we continue 20:26:51 #topic Events 20:26:57 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events#EMEA-FY11Q4 20:27:15 rsc: how were OpenSource Days in Copenhagen? 20:28:12 seems they have been boring if there is nothing to tell ;) 20:28:25 ok, any other events? 20:29:01 #undo 20:29:01 Removing item from minutes: 20:29:05 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events#FY12_Q1_.28March_2011_-_May_2011.29_3 20:29:13 this is the correct link for EMEA 20:29:52 guess yes 20:30:32 so the next big event is Chemnitzer Linuxtage 20:30:50 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Chemnitzer_Linuxtage_2011 20:31:01 we have everything confirmed AFAIK 20:31:07 but kital knows the details 20:31:46 and then there is LinuxTag 2011 20:31:54 lets talk about this a little 20:32:01 we have a wiki page at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LinuxTag_2011 now 20:32:04 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LinuxTag_2011 20:32:33 If you want to attend LinuxTag and get founding from Fedora, please sign up NOW 20:32:43 Berlin and LinuxTag are expensive for us 20:32:53 so we have limited the number of attendees to 10 20:33:10 you can still apply for founding if you are not within the first 10 20:33:17 but we cannot guarantee 20:33:33 this also means: if you get funding, you have to work at the stand 20:33:59 who decided that? 20:34:05 who limited it? 20:34:19 #action cwickert to write an invitation to LinuxTag to ambassadors list 20:34:24 GeroldKa: you! 20:34:36 me? 20:34:39 HarHar 20:34:42 me never 20:34:47 yes, you were one of the people, we decided this at Rheinfelden 20:35:18 the decision was done without a dissentient vote 20:35:28 I voted for "Linuxtag should be a normal event" 20:35:29 yes 20:35:53 we can look it up in the meeting minutes from Rheinfelden 20:36:13 and another information about linuxtag and berlin .... 20:36:35 it could be that Linuxtag e.V. will continue contract with Messe berlin ..... 20:36:36 :-P 20:36:42 just to let you know 20:36:50 OMG 20:36:56 (chuckle) 20:36:57 thanks for the heas-up, GeroldKa 20:37:10 np 20:37:14 ok, anything more on events? 20:37:19 * inode0 wonders what that means 20:37:35 that means 20:37:52 that the past 5 years of going down visitors on a fair in Berlin 20:37:52 inode0: LinuxTag in Berlin sucks because the Messe company is very profit oriented 20:37:55 will continue 20:38:20 Linuxtag has had 20k visitors in the beginning 20:38:29 and is now near to 10k 20:38:36 in the past 5 years 20:38:43 Linuxtag no longer is a *community* event like others, say Chemnitzer Linuxtage 20:38:46 I see, so that was a sarcastic OMG 20:39:00 but there is not much we can do about it and we should be there nevertheless 20:39:03 because of concept of Linuxtag but also because of "no need for such an event" 20:39:11 thanks 20:39:18 let's see how it is this year and then decide if we go there again next year, ok? 20:39:38 let's see where it takes place 20:39:38 it's up to you 20:39:45 Marko has some nice ideas 20:39:50 if we always decide to be there this event will never die (as it probably should) :P 20:40:04 but he's far awy in Oxford right now and has a strength daily business 20:40:31 but it's not mine :-) 20:40:40 heffer: perhaps we should have rsc write one of his famous mails "Why LinuxTag SUCKS and why I am NOT going to LinuxTag"? ;) 20:40:45 this year I attend Graz in April 20:40:51 yes that'd help :) 20:40:53 and we'll see how big is there community 20:41:08 GeroldKa: yes, please report back how it is 20:41:11 ok, moving on 20:41:21 #topic FUDCon EMEA Bid process 20:41:30 we have two bids now 20:41:42 one is for Dublin by GeroldKa and fab 20:41:49 and the other is for Budapest 20:41:54 by kital and Zoltan 20:41:56 actually it's fabian_a not fab 20:42:04 thanks heffer 20:42:14 GeroldKa: you want to add something to that? 20:42:24 oh 20:42:41 maybe you all remember the "big words" of Jan at the FAD in Brussels 20:43:08 where all, ALL attendees raised up the hand when jan asked "are you satisfied ... 20:43:28 ... with Fedora in EMEA; or not" 20:43:38 * cwickert was not at that FAD and would not raised his hand 20:43:38 when all agreed with NOT satisfied?! 20:43:45 also our FPL 20:44:04 and jan promised to help us to get satisfied?! 20:44:08 here is the answer: 20:44:15 FUDCON in Dublin 20:44:25 close to RedHat EMEAPartner Summit 20:44:35 #info we have two FUDCon bids, one for Dublin (GeroldKa and fabian_a) and one for Budapest (kital and Zoltan) 20:44:35 close to all Red Hat Executives 20:44:50 close to the Community 20:44:55 ?! 20:45:05 where the Executive can have a talk and speak to us 20:45:23 we're not Red Hats Fan Club, by Gosh 20:45:42 we're dong all the shit for them, don't we?! 20:45:45 but ok 20:45:53 the pros and cons are given 20:45:59 I wonder if this will make a difference. I mean, the important people are to going to come and they are not going to listen to us either 20:46:00 it's up to whom ever to decide 20:46:06 I've done "my job" 20:46:15 * spot wonders which sort of important people you want involved 20:46:41 Tom, hi ..... 20:46:53 there were two people from Fedora legal at FUDCon tempe and none of them was in for an open discussion 20:46:56 maybe Mister CEO from red hat I want to have there?! 20:47:01 btw i'm a strong proponent for the Dublin but 20:47:07 bet 20:47:11 GeroldKa: okay, he might be there. 20:47:22 GeroldKa: but for example, neither my boss, nor my boss's boss is likely to be there 20:47:41 it's a pity .... 20:47:46 but that's my POV 20:47:56 GeroldKa: my understanding is that this partner summit is more of a sales/marketing event 20:48:06 as we mentioned many, many, mayn times 20:48:07 GeroldKa: so the technical side of the house is not really involved 20:48:12 since max is back in the US 20:48:20 right, I doubt we as the Fedora hippies should be at a suits and ties event 20:48:31 there is no more bridge between EMEA Ambassadors and Red Hat 20:48:33 spot: we need the political side 20:48:50 cwickert: i'm not saying that, i'm just saying that the sorts of folks you want to talk to are likely not to be there 20:49:00 understood 20:49:26 but maybe the sales guys are also interested in getting to know what is going on 20:49:30 and while i encourage you to talk to the CEO, he is many levels disconnected from what is happening on the ground 20:49:49 that's also a big pity, ... 20:49:53 lso in my POV 20:49:55 :-) 20:49:59 GeroldKa: yes, but that's just how it is sometimes. 20:50:10 and Tom, where were you at FOSDEM? 20:50:13 I missed you 20:50:19 I recall some of them were quite surprised to hear that there are problems in EMEA 20:50:20 GeroldKa: FOSDEM overlapped with my son's first birthday 20:50:28 Uuups 20:50:29 GeroldKa: i'll be out for FUDCON 20:50:30 * rbergeron hands spot a box of time :) 20:50:33 congratulation 20:50:49 whether it is in Dublin or Budapest. :) 20:50:53 didn't read anything about that new Ambassador 20:51:00 GeroldKa: spot was at FUDCon a week before, only supermen like jsmith can do so many events in one week 20:51:25 ok, lets get back to the FUDCon bids 20:51:39 thanks GeroldKa for explaining why you think Dublin is the place to be 20:51:49 cwickert: I'm not superman... just Captain Oblivious :-p 20:52:02 too bad there is nobody for Budapest with us now 20:52:13 * jsmith hears rumors of a bid coming from Milan, Italy as well 20:52:14 I encourage you to place more bids 20:52:26 since years jared 20:52:32 one comment from my side here: if FUDCon was to be in Dublin that would be the only Fedora event besides FrOSCon i would be able to attend 20:52:34 hi, good to read you 20:52:34 #info please add more bids 20:53:03 HarHarHar ... 20:53:11 FUDCon "Castle Beuggen" 20:53:14 #info bidding period ends on MARCH 15TH, this is one week from now 20:53:40 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon_bid_process 20:54:15 ok moving on... 20:54:19 #topic EMEA Swag tracking 20:54:30 we have a problem with the swag tracking ATM 20:54:39 because I'm the only one who cares about it 20:54:50 we need to have more people as well as some technical changes 20:55:01 I welcome everybody who is willing to help 20:55:25 #info we need to have more people helping us with the swag tracking 20:55:44 #action cwickert and pierros to come up with some technical changes 20:55:55 I guess Joerg will get a debit card from red hat 20:56:05 and would be maybe the best person to do so?! 20:56:08 just an idea 20:56:21 GeroldKa: unfortunately money is not the only thing that matters 20:56:35 oh, but a big issue :-) 20:56:38 kital seems to be quite busy and we need to help him 20:56:38 at least for me 20:56:58 atm it's me for the media and kital for everything else 20:57:04 this does not scale 20:57:13 we need at least one more person I think 20:57:28 and we need somebody who goes through the tickets on a regular base 20:57:51 but lets first think about the changes in the process 20:57:59 and then ask people if they are able to help 20:58:20 ok, anybody here has some more thoughts on that? 20:59:36 #topic Ambassadors Schedule 20:59:48 #link http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-15/f-15-ambassadors-tasks.html 21:00:15 next up is "FAmSCo and Regional teams call for Preparation of Media/SWAG" 21:00:22 starting in two weeks from now 21:00:33 well, 1,5 weeks 21:00:52 also there is "FAmSCo heads Ambassador Wide Meetings Preparing For Fedora 15" 21:00:59 I have no idea what this means 21:01:35 but perhaps FAmSCo can tell us how to do marketing for this trainwreck called gnome-shell ;) 21:02:04 * t2hot ... wow 21:02:24 t2hot: look at planet.fedoraproject.org... 21:02:52 anyway, not let's not continue bashing here but make the best of Fedora 15 21:02:56 cwickert: we just shouldn't let people market it who don't like it :P 21:03:06 i'm fine with gnome-shell so far 21:03:29 hehe, always heffer 21:03:29 heffer: ok, I hereby make you you are chief marketing chair :) 21:03:35 polite as always 21:03:46 :P 21:04:08 #topic: Strategic Goals 21:04:24 FAMSCo picked goal #4 21:04:33 "It is extraordinarily easy to join the Fedora community and quickly find a project to work on. - from the Ambassadors Group Side" 21:04:41 I have no idea what to do here 21:04:55 too bad no FAmSCo member is with us today 21:05:05 but as a question to all of you 21:05:17 are you happy with the current process how to join? 21:05:22 can we make it easier? 21:05:29 should we make it easier? 21:06:20 i think the process is okay. it pretty much depends on the way you make first contact with the ambassadors programme 21:06:49 i think we make best experience with people who join us while seeing us at work (i.e. event attendees) 21:06:53 * cwickert agrees with heffer 21:07:03 +! 21:07:16 t2hot: go ahead 21:07:36 sorry that should read +1 21:07:49 and that pretty much is based on the way we deal with those people. i.e. aid them at creating a fas account, joining the right groups, introducing themselves 21:08:13 ! 21:08:15 and i fail to see how we can bring this close mentoring to interested people over the internet 21:08:21 the process is great, but I think the process it should be easier for Wanna-Be-Ambassadors to get sponsored, Mentors sometimes want answers from Ambassadors which are hard to answer 21:08:34 as there's much manpower needed here 21:08:52 first t2hot, then gentth again 21:09:09 thanks cwickert 21:09:54 I only see possibility for change on a UI level ... make the pages a little more artistic/welcoming 21:10:28 t2hot: ok, thanks for that suggestion 21:10:30 seems scholarly/rigid/formal 21:10:32 eof 21:10:41 gentth: it's your turn 21:10:53 ok cwickert 21:11:29 what I am trying to say is that the process of Becoming an Official Ambassador from some Mentors is restricted, they want answers which are sometimes to answer 21:11:57 ... hard to answer 21:12:07 we don't want ambassadors to to be professionals 21:12:14 * t2hot asks for an example 21:12:16 they can later read and learn from the community 21:12:24 they don't have to show in public as Ambassadors 21:12:35 gentth: this is done on porpose. the ambassadors are not necessarily meant to be an entry group 21:12:38 well I don't have an example 21:12:51 I think all ambassadors should be active in other groups as well 21:12:57 sure 21:13:13 it's ok though 21:13:13 so if you are on an event and you have 5 ambassadors there, you have experts for everything 21:13:15 -1 21:13:29 yes 21:13:37 I don't want to be in 20 other groups ... 21:13:47 and i also cann't because of limited time e.g. 21:14:06 if somebody asks you "how can I join packaging/design/infrastructure?", then there should be at least one ambassador who can guide him in the right direction 21:14:15 Ambassador is a bassain for every kind of "spreading" the word 21:14:17 GeroldKa: I know time is limited 21:14:31 yes, but to spread the word you have to know the word 21:14:47 yes, but I don't need to be part of packaging group 21:14:48 and you DO know it because you have been around since the middle age :) 21:14:49 sure 21:14:56 because of nobody shows me .-( 21:14:58 that's our mission 21:15:12 but do we need to be really really technical? 21:15:17 we can show them the wiki page :) 21:15:21 not technical, but into fedora 21:15:26 done by a infrastructure guy 21:15:33 yes 21:15:34 ? 21:15:43 somebody who is in design is not technical either, but an expert 21:15:50 and they know the Fedora project 21:16:04 ok 21:16:07 so I think the ambassadors group is harder to join than other groups 21:16:16 we should make the process itself easier 21:16:23 but not lower our standards 21:16:34 just me personal opinion 21:16:37 what an amazing paragraph 21:16:40 t2hot: go ahead 21:16:43 i agree with you 21:16:55 after I got your point 21:17:21 gentth: the fact that you made it into the group shows that you understood Fedora, simple as that 21:17:37 yes cwickert 21:17:37 Like I said earlier, I perceive barrier on an interface level ... not that the process is lacking 21:18:05 t2hot: but we already have a click-through wizard?! 21:18:30 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Join 21:18:37 The issue of 'hardness' is relative because what might come across as hard to one person might be easy for another 21:18:39 sure, it could look a little more fancy 21:19:09 Graphics can tell the story in a shorter time 21:19:29 perhaps we should let nico draw another webcomic? ;) 21:19:30 we get the same process and loose the 'classroom' feeling 21:19:47 ok, I think I got your point 21:20:52 ok, anything more on that? to be honest, I don't like the discussion about strategic goals that much 21:21:00 I think Mentors should be allowed the prerogative to ask questions they believe will bring out the best in a wanna-be ambassador. 21:21:52 if they need to research ... fine, they research. Its not a role for lazy people 21:22:07 definitely not 21:22:30 ok, if somebody has an idea for this, please bring it up to FAmSCo's attention 21:22:33 eof 21:22:44 personally I hope that FAmSCo will come up with something 21:22:51 #topic Open Floor 21:23:10 ok, now is the right time for any other business 21:23:31 if there is none, I will end the meeting in 5 minutes 21:23:56 ? 21:24:15 jsmith: go ahead 21:24:25 When I was there in November, we had talked about swag production 21:24:42 So far, I'm seeing progress on cheat cubes, but nothing regarding T-shirts or any other swag 21:24:54 Might be time to restart that conversation :-) 21:25:25 you're right 21:25:32 jsmith: I have quotes for cups and for lanyards 21:25:39 ? 21:25:41 but all also depends on money 21:26:02 t2hot: speak up please 21:26:20 what exactly is the cheat cube for? 21:26:32 it's a gadget 21:26:32 GeroldKa: your question I guess 21:27:00 how do I use it as an Ambassador? 21:27:08 mmmh how should i explain?! 21:27:15 oh ... 21:27:22 you give it away to people 21:27:34 who come at the booth and ask"can I have one ...." 21:27:40 and then you start conversation 21:27:42 :-P 21:27:49 that's "beeing Ambassador" 21:27:55 bait? 21:28:17 you can have scissors and glue at the booth and have them build their cube together while talking to you :P 21:28:39 heffer: nice idea, so they cannot run away ;) 21:28:58 ok ... I get it 21:29:04 ok, back to swag then 21:29:04 yup. and if they do we can yell after them to leave us the scissors and glue :D 21:29:08 in the "ready-to-go" version 21:29:17 you don't need a scissor 21:29:28 jsmith: do we have a list of who was supposed to do what in the wiki? 21:30:43 jsmith: do you have quotes for balloons and notepads? 21:32:06 cwickert: I'll get quotes on balloons and notepads :-) 21:32:33 jsmith: so much for the progresss, it was assigned to you since November ;) 21:32:45 so I think we really need to restart this thing 21:32:53 Yeah, exactly :-) 21:32:55 I have quotes, but I have nowhere to put them 21:33:04 and I haven't heard back from any other people 21:33:26 kanarip was to get quotes for pens 21:33:53 kital was to get quotes for t-shirts, caps, umbrellas, scarfs, bags 21:34:02 was not also somebody nominated to create a wikipage for it?! 21:34:03 perhaps we should help kital a little 21:34:30 I'm not sure, but I guess Fabian would do that, right? 21:34:32 because kital as quite a lot of items 21:34:33 GeroldKa: not that I see it in the meeting minutes 21:34:57 #action cwickert creates a wiki page for EMEA swag 21:35:09 or is there anybody else who volunteers? 21:36:32 ok, I'll do it 21:36:41 I guess that's all for today 21:36:50 anything else for open floor? 21:37:26 * t2hot yawns 21:38:08 ok, I heard you, t2hot ;) 21:38:11 #endmeeting