05:01:55 <tagoh> #startmeeting i18n
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05:01:59 <tagoh> #meetingname i18n
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05:02:06 <tagoh> #topic agenda and roll call
05:02:17 <tagoh> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2011-03-24
05:02:38 <tagoh> sorry for not sending agenda on the list.
05:02:43 <pravins> hi
05:02:55 <epico_laptop> hi
05:02:56 <tagoh> it's not changed too much though
05:03:49 <pravins> tagoh: yeah, agree :)
05:04:40 <dueno> hi
05:04:45 <tagoh> well, would be nice if anyone has additional topics to be added, but anyway :)
05:05:27 <tagoh> ok, let's get started then
05:05:36 <tagoh> #topic F15
05:05:54 <tagoh> pravins: any updates on your feature?
05:06:04 <fujiwarat> hi
05:06:08 <paragan> hi
05:07:10 <pravins> tagoh: i have updated page
05:07:21 <pravins> feature page, reduced the scope as well
05:07:45 <pravins> i think, now there is no problem to make it 100% complete
05:08:29 <tagoh> pravins: aha. cool
05:08:30 <pravins> i am trying to create video for demonstration, still working on it
05:08:43 <pravins> one trial video is at http://pravins.fedorapeople.org/with_phonetic_please_mute_audio_before_proceed.ogv
05:09:05 <pravins> lots of audio noise in it
05:09:21 <juhp> hi
05:10:02 <pravins> I will improve this video more and update the feature as well
05:10:07 <pravins> thats it from me :)
05:10:12 <tagoh> pravins: great
05:13:06 <tagoh> forgot to add relnotes thing to the agenda - thanks for updating. the deadline seems closing now. being asked to update flags to indicate a go
05:13:34 <tagoh> does anyone have any idea to write up further more on relnote for i18n?
05:13:49 <tagoh> only features are in i18n relnotes so far though
05:14:02 <tagoh> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Documentation_I18n_Beat
05:14:37 <dingyichen> hi
05:15:16 <tagoh> also may need a review for them
05:17:00 <juhp> paragan, pravins: can we add some links for the entries?
05:17:31 <juhp> bit more detail might be good too?
05:17:35 <tagoh> juhp: guess you may received any mails directly for relnote?
05:17:46 <juhp> let me see
05:17:47 <pravins> juhp: yeah, i will add information in it
05:18:06 <paragan> ok
05:18:17 <pravins> i have wrote most of the thing on feature page already https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/IndicTypingBooster
05:18:25 <pravins> juhp: tagoh will be nice if you can review once :)
05:19:09 <juhp> pravins: yeah so please add a link to the feature page at least
05:19:17 <pravins> yes
05:19:22 <juhp> ok
05:19:56 <juhp> tagoh: not sure - haven't noticed any mail recently
05:20:02 <tagoh> juhp: ok
05:20:29 <tagoh> anyway we may not have too much time for relnotes. need to spend some time to not miss it.
05:20:49 <paragan> I see that ukij-tuz-fonts, sil-nuosu-fonts, manchu-fonts inclusion in F15 is not mentioned in Docs Beat. should that  be mentioned there?
05:20:49 <pravins> done
05:22:21 <tagoh> paragan: is it a default font for any langs? then it has to be there. otherwise may be good
05:22:32 <paragan> ok
05:22:59 <epico_laptop> mention chinese comps improvements?
05:23:18 <tagoh> yes
05:23:49 <tagoh> epico_laptop: can you add that there?
05:23:57 <epico_laptop> ok. I am doing it.
05:24:02 <tagoh> thanks!
05:24:07 <epico_laptop> welcome.
05:24:38 <tagoh> anything else on relnotes or on f15?
05:27:06 <tagoh> ok, let's move on then
05:27:11 <tagoh> #topic Package Updates
05:27:13 <juhp> fujiwarat: anything for ibus?
05:27:46 <fujiwarat> Sorry, I could not get enough time to talk with g-s maintainers.
05:27:54 <epico_laptop> tagoh: relnotes for Chinese comps improvement is added.
05:28:06 <tagoh> epico_laptop: cool
05:28:22 <epico_laptop> update ibus-handwrite to 2.1.3.
05:28:29 <epico_laptop> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/ibus-handwrite-2.1.3-1.fc15
05:28:55 <epico_laptop> dingyichen: any comments on new cjkuni-uming-fonts or cjkuni-ukai-fonts?
05:29:05 <tagoh> there was interesting post on the list about AutoQA: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AutoQA
05:29:21 <fujiwarat> I sent gnome rel-eng an email but no reply.
05:30:18 <tagoh> that may helps to keep it sane for updates
05:30:53 <tagoh> fujiwarat: aha
05:32:04 <paragan> Updated iok in F15 for bug 684652
05:32:13 <paragan> updated m17n-lib for bugs 680363 677866
05:32:29 <paragan> updated m17n-contrib to include new keymap ks-inscript.mim
05:32:53 <pravins> paragan: thanks for ks-inscript.mim build :)
05:33:09 <paragan> updated caribou in F15 that resolved now missing autostart desktop file.
05:33:14 <dingyichen> epico_laptop, nope.
05:33:16 <paragan> pravins, welcome :)
05:33:18 <pravins> actually with this update now fedora 15 has support for kashmiri Devanagari as well
05:33:38 <pravins> we do have locale, i have added support in lohit and now input map as well
05:33:40 <tagoh> dingyichen: works for you?
05:33:41 <juhp> aha
05:33:50 <epico_laptop> dingyichen: ok for release?
05:34:27 <tagoh> aha. sounds good
05:36:20 <tagoh> anything else?
05:37:11 <tagoh> otherwise shall we move on?
05:38:24 <tagoh> #topic Input Method
05:38:47 <tagoh> 34 bugs is open for IM now btw
05:38:52 <juhp> hm
05:39:28 <juhp> epico_laptop: maybe leave it a bit longer in testing? :)
05:39:29 <tagoh> dingyichen: any chance to work on ibus-chewing?
05:39:43 <dingyichen> epico_laptop, ok
05:40:04 <epico_laptop> juhp: ok. maybe release tomorrow?
05:40:05 <dingyichen> tagoh, *sigh*, after I finish Fy11 review.
05:40:43 <tagoh> hm, ok
05:41:17 <juhp> epico_laptop: or another week for stable releases, if it is not so urgent?
05:41:38 <juhp> epico_laptop: f15 first could be fine
05:41:44 <epico_laptop> juhp: ok. I see.
05:41:56 <epico_laptop> just for f15 this week.
05:41:57 <tagoh> juhp: right
05:42:09 <juhp> ok
05:43:06 <juhp> fujiwarat: do we have any fallback plan for f15(beta) for ibus in panel?
05:44:03 <pravins> juhp: dunno i am not able to see candidates windows for booster methods in f15 gnome-shell
05:44:04 <fujiwarat> Yes, I'm thinking it would be a reasonable plan for now.
05:44:36 <juhp> fujiwarat: so still expecting gnome-shell changes to land for f15? :)
05:44:52 <juhp> pravins: oh
05:45:09 <juhp> is that a known issue?
05:45:14 <pravins> dunno i think same condition will be for ibus-tables imes
05:45:27 <tagoh> pravins: only with typing booster?
05:45:48 * juhp doesn't have hw right now to test gnome-shell easily unfortunately...
05:45:50 <pravins> tagoh: i dont think so
05:45:58 <fujiwarat> juhp: Yes, myself think it's a critical issue.
05:46:27 <juhp> fujiwarat: candidate window is also addressed by the changes?
05:47:22 <juhp> fujiwarat: just hope that owen et al can give it enough attention to be in f15-final
05:47:24 <fujiwarat> juhp: Ah, I mean to move the current ibus gtk to gnome-shell for f15 but not ibus gjs so the candidate is same.
05:47:36 <juhp> ah
05:48:37 <pravins> tagoh: did you tried other ibus-tables ime's in f15?
05:48:45 <tagoh> pravins: nope
05:48:48 <fujiwarat> It seems too late for gnome schedule.
05:48:50 <pravins> ok
05:48:57 <juhp> I see
05:49:05 <fujiwarat> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2011-March/msg00109.html
05:49:07 <juhp> perhaps as a f15 update then
05:49:11 <tagoh> pravins: just asking :)
05:49:12 <juhp> ?
05:50:53 <juhp> s/?//
05:51:51 <tagoh> hm, guess better testing more on gnome-shell
05:52:23 <tagoh> otherwise we may have regressions there
05:52:53 <pravins> tagoh: yeah, really
05:53:21 <pravins> tagoh: gnome-shell is really very different from gnome-desktop :(
05:53:39 <tagoh> right
05:54:25 <tagoh> also good to spend little time for existing bugs if it still appears in even f15 or not.
05:54:34 <juhp> fujiwarat: thanks - so sounds like the old panel icon will be rendered in the new panel for now until there is a better integration
05:54:58 <dingyichen> juhp, tagoh, BTW, we are going to rename flies-python-client as zanata-python-client
05:55:21 <fujiwarat> Yes, I think it would be a realistic plan that we can do the best.
05:56:15 <tagoh> juhp, fujiwarat: for a workaround of the panel issue, how about re-enabling lang bar option? doesn't it help for usability?
05:56:22 <dingyichen> according to jni, the it will support software translation, so if your projects have translation, please give it a try. :-)
05:57:37 <fujiwarat> tagoh: Yes, probably it would be a final plan.
05:57:39 <tagoh> that may be somewhat easy to see if IM is turned on or not at least
05:57:41 <juhp> tagoh: well Owen wrote that he intends to allow the current ibus icon appear "upstairs" though they really want deeper integration with the xkb applet
05:57:51 <dingyichen> after once the rename review request on zanata-python-client is done.
05:58:07 <juhp> I really don't like the langbar so would rather avoid that
05:58:45 <juhp> (unless the gjs issues can be resolved in time)
05:58:46 <tagoh> juhp: so what do you suggest for f15? :)
05:59:23 <juhp> well sounds like we will have ibus upstairs so seems good enough to me
05:59:55 <tagoh> in the future right. wonder if it's available in f15 GA though
05:59:56 <juhp> worth reading Owen's original post
06:00:19 <juhp> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2011-March/msg00064.html
06:00:50 <fujiwarat> Yes. The main issue would be the GNOME schedule.
06:02:25 <tagoh> maybe a time for negotiating to the desktop team for fedora specific patch perhaps?
06:02:55 <fujiwarat> Yes, I also think it.
06:02:56 <juhp> yeah that might be necessary
06:03:42 <tagoh> we could ask on bugzilla or list perhaps then
06:04:26 <tagoh> better move on
06:04:42 <tagoh> #topic Fonts and Rendering
06:05:14 <tagoh> not too much time to keep open for meeting though, any updates for them?
06:05:45 <juhp> fujiwarat: Owen wrote that he would follow up after investigating - did you hear any further update?  in bz say?
06:05:48 <tagoh> 35 fonts and 29 rendering bugs is open for now
06:07:36 <fujiwarat> Yes, so I just passed one week with the updated patch but we have to jell the realistic plan for now.
06:07:48 <tagoh> pravins: anything on lohit or liberation?
06:09:13 <pravins> tagoh: no, not worked on that
06:09:23 <tagoh> ok
06:09:28 <pravins> may be May we can try for that
06:10:46 <tagoh> fujiwarat: agreed. may need to have any workaround at least.
06:10:54 <tagoh> pravins: ok
06:11:17 <tagoh> #topic others
06:11:19 <tagoh> anything else before closing?
06:12:28 <pravins> tagoh: dunno rendering of indic also looks broken in gnome-shell
06:12:45 <pravins> dunno looks like some hinting issue
06:12:50 <tagoh> pravins: not yet tried? ;)
06:13:12 <tagoh> pravins: guess you can see some feedbacks on test day result perhaps
06:13:15 <pravins> tagoh: some bugs got reported in alpha testing
06:13:21 <tagoh> right
06:13:21 <pravins> yes
06:13:31 <pravins> need to play with it once
06:13:36 <tagoh> yeah
06:13:42 <tagoh> please do that :)
06:13:47 <pravins> yes sure
06:14:52 <tagoh> anyway, we are running over time on meeting. so let's stop here today.
06:14:57 <tagoh> thanks everyone for the meeting!
06:15:00 <pravins> thanks
06:15:03 <tagoh> #endmeeting