15:01:38 <jreznik> #startmeeting kde-sig -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2011-03-29
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15:01:49 <jreznik> #meetingname kde-sig
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15:02:00 <jreznik> #topic roll call
15:02:06 <jreznik> who's present today?
15:02:09 * rnovacek here
15:02:14 <Kevin_Kofler> Present.
15:02:29 <than> present
15:02:37 <ltinkl> present
15:03:21 <jreznik> #chair rnovacek Kevin_Kofler than ltinkl rdieter
15:03:21 <zodbot> Current chairs: Kevin_Kofler jreznik ltinkl rdieter rnovacek than
15:03:43 <jreznik> #info jreznik rnovacek Kevin_Kofler than ltinkl present
15:04:34 <jreznik> #topic agenda
15:05:23 <jreznik> one topic could be - stick with current time (change due to summer time, now in effect in EU too)
15:06:04 <jreznik> anythin else to add to agenda?
15:06:32 <Kevin_Kofler> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=683855
15:07:02 <jreznik> ok
15:08:24 <jreznik> let's start even without rdieter
15:09:04 <jreznik> (so I'll skip meeting time for now)
15:09:31 <jreznik> #topic f14/kde46 status update
15:09:55 <Kevin_Kofler> So this has been in updates-testing for a while, but we have 3 open regressions. :-(
15:10:19 <ltinkl> which are?
15:10:26 <Kevin_Kofler> 2, actually.
15:10:37 <Kevin_Kofler> But I have to check if the fixes are already in the current F14 update set, too.
15:11:14 <Kevin_Kofler> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=690450 auto-unhide annoyances, proposed patch attached to the upstream bug report, we should apply it
15:11:26 <Kevin_Kofler> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=684419 pykdeuic4 breakage
15:11:42 <Kevin_Kofler> (due to the new PyQt4, but the new kdebindings claims to require that new PyQt4)
15:11:58 <Kevin_Kofler> Those are the open ones.
15:12:18 <ltinkl> I wouldn't even consider the bindings as a blocker
15:12:23 <than> Kevin_Kofler:  does the new PyQt fix the issue?
15:12:48 <than> ltinkl: +1
15:12:49 <Kevin_Kofler> than: Which new PyQt4?
15:13:04 <Kevin_Kofler> The latest I'm aware of is the one which caused the problem.
15:13:43 <Kevin_Kofler> I checked that https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=690123, which got closed today for F15, has the fixed kdelibs build already in the F14 update set.
15:13:50 <Kevin_Kofler> So we're really down to 2 open regressions.
15:14:01 <Kevin_Kofler> Can anybody have a look at the kdebindings problem?
15:14:40 <Kevin_Kofler> And we should build a kdebase-workspace with the auto-unhide fix.
15:15:08 <jreznik> Kevin_Kofler: I can rebuild kdebase-workspace
15:15:34 <Kevin_Kofler> jreznik: Please do, and then we'll need to get confirmation that it fixes the regression.
15:15:37 <than> is the regression in kdebinding reported to KDE upstream?
15:15:48 <Kevin_Kofler> Hmmm, good question…
15:15:49 <jreznik> for kdebindings stuff - I can take a look too, any helpers? ltinkl? :)
15:16:03 <ltinkl> no idea about bindings :o)
15:16:35 <Kevin_Kofler> There's no upstream report linked in our Bugzilla. :-(
15:17:05 <Kevin_Kofler> I'm trying a search at bugs.kde.org now.
15:19:08 <rnovacek> I didn't found any upstream bug
15:19:09 <than> Kevin_Kofler:  it seems it's not in kde bugzilla
15:19:22 <Kevin_Kofler> I can't find anything.
15:19:26 <Kevin_Kofler> We need to file it ASAP.
15:19:38 <than> Kevin_Kofler: +1
15:19:38 <Kevin_Kofler> This should really have been filed upstream eons ago. :-(
15:19:46 <jreznik> #info we have two remaining F14 bugs - auto-unhide bug and kdebindings build issue (not reported upstream yet)
15:20:25 <jreznik> #action jreznik to try to build kdebase-workspace with auto-unhide patch
15:21:48 <than> Kevin_Kofler: do you want to take care of the report to KDE upstream?
15:22:40 <Kevin_Kofler> I can do it.
15:22:46 <than> Kevin_Kofler: thanks
15:23:07 <jreznik> #action Kevin_Kofler to report kdebindings/PyQt 4.8 issue upstream
15:24:06 <jreznik> anything else for f14/kde4.6 combo?
15:24:57 <jreznik> I'm running latest builds on my laptop - it's ok, on my workstation I have a strange issue accessing kwallet from kmail after update (I'm trying to investigate what's happening there)
15:27:46 <zodbot> Announcement from my owner (jsmith): Fedora Board IRC Meeting (Open Q&A) at the top of the hour in #fedora-board-meeting
15:28:42 <jreznik> ok, let's move
15:28:56 <jreznik> #topic NM 0.9 status
15:29:18 <jreznik> ltinkl: what's the current nm 0.9 status in f15? everything ready?
15:29:36 * jsmith is interested to hear how the NM 0.9 update is working for the KDE folks
15:30:48 <ltinkl> jreznik: you better ask jklimes who is working on getting the current knm work with the compat code in NM 0.9
15:31:17 <jreznik> ltinkl: but the compat code?
15:31:50 <ltinkl> the compat code is present in the current Nm 0.9 version
15:31:58 <ltinkl> we just have to adjust the knm applet to use it
15:32:08 <Kevin_Kofler> Uh, it already is adjusted.
15:32:09 <than> does the k*plasma*nm work with nm-0.9 now?
15:32:22 <ltinkl> it works, somehow, has a few bugs here and there
15:32:29 <Kevin_Kofler> dcbw did the small adjustments needed to the KDE code. The big part is the compat code inside NM.
15:32:46 <ltinkl> dbcw promised to develop and maintain the fixes
15:32:54 <than> Kevin_Kofler: is it already apply in KDE?
15:33:00 <ltinkl> it is even stored in the NM git as patches
15:33:01 <Kevin_Kofler> This stuff now got pushed to dist-f15.
15:33:14 <Kevin_Kofler> than: Yes, the grouped update including KDE patches got pushed.
15:33:28 <ltinkl> than: it's here: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/NetworkManager/NetworkManager/tree/?h=f15
15:34:08 <Kevin_Kofler> (BTW, I restored the VPN subpackage split. I initially wanted to drop it because I thought NM doesn't have the VPN subpackages anymore, but they're still there, they're just built as separate SRPMs and not as subpackages as I thought.)
15:34:08 <jreznik> #info grouped NM update including KDE patches got pushed
15:34:49 <jreznik> #info Kevin_Kofler restored VPN subpackage split (as can be found in NM)
15:34:56 <jreznik> Kevin_Kofler: ah, ok...
15:35:55 <jreznik> but still - we have to test it - networking is crucial part of user experience...
15:36:08 <ltinkl> definitely
15:36:11 <Kevin_Kofler> (FWIW, the NM description is a bit misleading because it claims VPN support when VPN support is actually provided by separate SRPMs.)
15:37:47 <Kevin_Kofler> What's still an open task is to get a real port to the real NM 0.9 API done, which should be upstreamable unlike the compat hacks which were needed to meet F15 deadlines.
15:38:20 <Kevin_Kofler> That port will also have to include a way to migrate existing user settings to NM's system setting service. User setting support in 0.9 is only in the compat code.
15:40:26 <ltinkl> the real port to NM 0.9 is something we still discuss
15:40:41 <ltinkl> and that's definitely a long-term task, for KDE 4.7
15:40:55 <Kevin_Kofler> Right. Can we move on?
15:42:09 <Kevin_Kofler> jreznik: Next topic please!
15:42:25 <jreznik> Kevin_Kofler: sorry, rh issues
15:42:42 <jreznik> #topic F15 artwork status
15:42:53 <Kevin_Kofler> OK, that's your topic. :-)
15:43:06 <jreznik> yep, I'll be quick
15:43:33 <jreznik> karma desperately needed :) https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/lovelock-kde-theme-14.91.0-1.fc15
15:43:52 <jreznik> for now - just a few changes to match it new wp
15:43:59 <jreznik> I'll finish it with final wp
15:44:07 <jreznik> but good to have for beta
15:44:35 <ltinkl> I briefly tested it today, worked fine
15:45:13 <jreznik> ltinkl: then karma +1 :)
15:45:19 <ltinkl> done already :)
15:45:37 <jreznik> #info jreznik prepared kde-lovelock-theme for F15 to match current wp
15:45:52 <jreznik> #info karma (and testing of course) is needed, see attached link
15:46:11 <jreznik> #topic https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=683855
15:46:39 <jreznik> .bug 683855
15:46:41 <zodbot> jreznik: Bug 683855 gtk unthemed (ugly) when gnome-themes-standard not present - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=683855
15:46:54 <Kevin_Kofler> So this one affects us for GTK+ 3 mainly.
15:47:20 <Kevin_Kofler> For GTK+ 2, we have kcm-gtk and a hardcoded config file for root which set oxygen-gtk as the theme.
15:47:40 <Kevin_Kofler> But for GTK+ 3, we still have to rely on the Adwaita stuff for now and it isn't getting set as the default because of this.
15:48:05 <Kevin_Kofler> The maintainer tried to fix it, but his "fix" basically just made the subpackage split pointless.
15:48:20 <Kevin_Kofler> So that's now reverted and the bug is still there.
15:48:37 <Kevin_Kofler> I proposed a solution, but I got no feedback at all for it. :-(
15:48:47 <Kevin_Kofler> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=683855#c2
15:49:19 <Kevin_Kofler> (Well, I got a question from cwickert, I answered it, and nobody else commented, in particular nobody who's listed as a maintainer or comaintainer of the package.)
15:49:51 <than> Kevin_Kofler: should the status be set to ASSIGNED?
15:50:18 <Kevin_Kofler> Uhm, yes… I'm taking care of that.
15:51:47 <Kevin_Kofler> Reopened.
15:52:15 <jreznik> contact them directly?
15:52:41 <Kevin_Kofler> I'm quite annoyed at the fact that nobody commented on my proposed patch. If they don't like it, they could at least tell me why…
15:54:41 * jreznik understands
15:57:33 <Kevin_Kofler> I'm considering just applying my fix…
16:00:57 <rnovacek> time's up
16:01:02 <jreznik> yep
16:01:05 <jreznik> #endmeeting