05:01:32 #startmeeting i18n 05:01:32 Meeting started Thu Apr 14 05:01:32 2011 UTC. The chair is tagoh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 05:01:32 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 05:01:40 #meetingname i18n 05:01:40 The meeting name has been set to 'i18n' 05:01:47 #topic agenda and roll call 05:02:05 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2011-04-14 05:02:51 hi, this is fedora-i18n meeting. who else here today? 05:03:57 if there are any additional topics other than the above, please add it there 05:04:10 hi 05:04:17 hi 05:04:24 hi 05:04:25 hi 05:04:30 * brutal_chaos is present 05:04:46 hi 05:06:54 hi 05:06:58 ok, let's get started? 05:07:53 #topic F15 05:08:00 hi 05:08:41 beta seems get approved to go. it will be available next Tuesday. 05:10:13 we have 30 bugs open for f15 and 1 blocker (not yet reviewed and I own ;) 05:10:49 any concerns you want to share or any updates on f15 for your activity? 05:12:42 * tagoh ponders to have a dep to get new package installed on upgrading 05:12:54 i think i can now close bugs reported against lohit for rendering, so it will bit more down :) 05:13:36 .bug 696379 05:13:38 juhp: Bug 696379 Cannot enable Korean Input Method. - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=696379 05:14:00 pravins: nice 05:14:02 pravins: aha. how many bugs are you supposed to close? 05:14:27 9 bugs 05:14:41 great 05:14:43 those are now ON_QA setup 05:14:43 tagoh: would conditional comps help? 05:14:54 s/setup/step 05:15:13 juhp: no. anaconda seems not taking care of comps on upgrading. 05:15:33 hm 05:15:48 it was an answer from anaconda maintainer I got on bug 05:16:04 tagoh: so which package do you think should pull it in? 05:18:06 not sure. imsettings itself maybe? though that may simply means making subpackage is meaningless then. 05:19:35 yeah 05:20:10 dunno if there are an similar case for other packages 05:22:26 is #696379 reproducible? 05:23:30 fijiwarat: ^ 05:23:42 tagoh: no imsettings-gnome in f14? 05:23:49 juhp: yes 05:23:49 which bug of your tagoh, is the blocker? 05:24:48 .bug 693809 05:24:50 juhp: Bug 693809 no imsettings-gnome installed on upgrading - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=693809 05:24:54 s/your/yours 05:24:56 .bug 693809 05:24:58 tagoh: Bug 693809 no imsettings-gnome installed on upgrading - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=693809 05:26:09 hmm, my machine is too heavy now.. 05:26:14 how about if ibus-gtk3 pulls it in? 05:26:31 if no deps from others, we'll miss it on upgrading then 05:26:59 ah, ibus-gtk3 has deps to it? 05:28:08 probably not yet? 05:28:28 Any change is needed in ibus side? 05:28:49 I can't reproduce 696379 here 05:29:04 (Korean) 05:30:08 No, I cannot too. 05:31:26 hm, that may be an idea though 05:33:31 fujiwarat: how does it sound? 05:34:51 tagoh: Do you mean ibus-gtk3 depends on imsettings-gnome? 05:34:57 right 05:35:25 Ah, it's no problem with me if you prefer it. 05:35:54 cool 05:37:12 btw does any packages depend on ibus-gtk3? not yet checked but just wonder if it's really pulled in? 05:37:21 will check it later though 05:38:41 anything else on f15 so far? 05:40:11 if not, shall we move on? 05:41:15 fujiwarat: I'll file or clone bugs later for the above 05:41:27 #topic Package Updates 05:41:43 ok 05:41:46 tagoh: hm true that it may not help... 05:41:58 s/that// 05:42:16 nothing pulls in ibus-gtk3 i guess 05:42:27 maybe we need a hack in anaconda for it... 05:42:45 so IM may not works on upgraded f15 then? 05:43:03 right :-/ well need to test but sounds likely :( 05:43:15 ibus depends ibus-gtk2 and ibus-gtk3. 05:43:19 ah 05:43:22 oh 05:43:29 s/depends/depends on/ 05:43:46 ok, good then 05:44:05 "repoquery -q --whatrequires ibus-gtk" didn't show up anything for me 05:44:12 % rpm -q --requires ibus 05:44:21 ah sorry ibus yes in f15 05:44:31 okay 05:44:37 cool 05:44:52 any package updates for testing? 05:45:27 i got the stable karma for lohit fonts, thanks to paragan and Aman 05:45:38 hope so those will go Zero day update 05:45:38 cool 05:46:42 anything else? 05:47:41 guess better move on then. 05:47:42 scim for F15 got the stable karma, thanks to paragan. 05:47:57 ok cool 05:48:01 ok 05:48:06 have all the broken deps been fixed then? 05:48:23 not yet been pushed to stable, maybe later today or tomorrow. 05:49:40 only blockers can be tagged for stable? 05:49:53 yes 05:49:56 * juhp is still a bit unclear on this point 05:49:57 ok 05:50:00 hm 05:50:24 fujiwarat: does ibus need to be moved to stable? 05:50:42 I see that F15 beta is declared Gold now 05:50:54 right 05:51:13 ? I think no tested version of ibus at present. 05:51:32 maybe we can see scim as 0-day errata 05:51:40 yep 05:52:13 #topic Input Methods 05:52:49 any updates on ibus, ibus engines etc? 05:52:51 Just adding zanata support for ibus-chewing. 05:53:28 i.e. the translation of ibus-chewing is now on a zanata server. ;-) 05:54:07 Yet, we don't really have a public zanata hosting for general fedora projects. 05:54:09 aha 05:55:02 dingyichen: have you triaged abrt bugs on ibus-chewing yet? 05:55:06 Currently I am using translate.jboss.org, but you need to have an account on www.jboss.org in order to login. 05:55:37 just wonder if it's reproducible on f15 though 05:55:50 tagoh, actually they seems like libchewing bug. 05:56:13 tagoh, unfortunately, I cannot reproduce them. 05:56:17 aha 05:57:07 Currently I'm working on reducing ibus xkb layouts for ibus-setup and will integrate today or next week for post beta. 05:57:08 Perhaps that's because I usually use RHEL for testing. ^,^b 05:57:21 heh 05:57:39 fujiwarat: cool 05:58:24 dingyichen: good to test it on live say.. 05:59:01 tagoh, will do 06:00:37 well, updating a bit on imsettings now to work as the old-style instead of pop up the message when no backend modules are loaded... it may be somewhat better than not working 06:00:53 fujiwarat, can we see all the xkb layouts available from symbols file for any country in ibus-setup? 06:02:07 paragan: ibus-setup parses /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/evdev.xml and get the layouts. 06:03:11 If all layouts need to be shown, ibus-setup provides [Advance] -> [Add or remove layouts..]. 06:03:51 ok 06:04:06 ok, anything else? 06:04:21 Maybe I think you could update the evdev.xml. 06:04:40 fujiwarat, I see for Tamil language evdev.xml shows 5 maps 06:04:57 paragan: great 06:05:09 but I can't add/enable them in ibus 06:05:49 guess better file a bug for that then? 06:07:31 anyway, let's move on. 06:07:36 #topic Fonts and Rendering 06:09:18 any updates? 06:10:55 tagoh: nothing much, but i think we should check for other affected fonts by freetype BCI 06:11:06 sure. sounds good idea 06:11:06 and add autohint rules in fontconf 06:12:11 it may be hard to see unless native speaker checks it though, do you have any idea for that? 06:12:42 yeah, agree 06:13:01 second option is too check inside fonts about hinting rules 06:13:12 yeah - some automated testing for rendering would be nice again 06:13:43 taking a screenshot on both env and compare might somewhat works 06:13:48 (though likely bci change would break any tests anyway?) 06:13:49 yeah 06:14:06 that would be a good start i guess 06:14:16 ok 06:14:34 let me try 06:15:54 anything else before closing? 06:18:14 ok, thanks everyone for a bit long meeting. 06:18:27 #endmeeting