14:14:24 <liknus> #startmeeting FAmSCo 2011-04-23
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14:14:35 <liknus> #chair igorps yn1v gbraad
14:14:35 <zodbot> Current chairs: gbraad igorps liknus yn1v
14:14:44 <liknus> #topic Rollcall
14:14:49 <liknus> .fas ppapadeas
14:14:49 <zodbot> liknus: ppapadeas 'Papadeas Pierros' <ppapadeas@gmail.com>
14:14:49 <gbraad> .fas gbraad
14:14:53 <zodbot> gbraad: gbraad 'Gerard Braad (吉拉德)' <fedora@gbraad.nl>
14:14:56 <liknus> #meetingname famsco
14:14:56 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famsco'
14:15:01 <yn1v> .fas yn1v
14:15:02 <zodbot> yn1v: yn1v 'Neville A. Cross' <neville@taygon.com>
14:15:09 <igorps> .fas igorps
14:15:09 <zodbot> igorps: igor 'Igor Pires Soares' <igor@projetofedora.org>
14:15:17 <liknus> Ok people! Today's agenda can be found here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_agenda
14:15:21 <liknus> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_agenda
14:15:28 <liknus> Lets start:
14:15:47 <liknus> #topic Event in APAC
14:16:04 <liknus> gbraad, and I have initiated the discussions for an event in China
14:16:11 <liknus> (in collaboration with Mozilla)
14:16:13 <liknus> gbraad, ?
14:16:40 <liknus> anything more on that?
14:16:49 <gbraad> will have a confcall this Monday and hopefully also soon with some friends related to JUDCon[5~
14:16:52 <liknus> I guess we will announce it when we have sufficient info
14:17:04 <gbraad> at the moment info is scarce
14:17:30 <igorps> Are you considering any specific place already?
14:17:54 <gbraad> at the moment we consider Beijing due to some relations we have at Universities here
14:18:24 <igorps> ok, looks nice!
14:18:28 <gbraad> but let's see what the co-operation will introduce. as I also see issues with relation to connectivity
14:19:20 <liknus> sorry ppl I am back
14:19:26 <liknus> so moving on?
14:19:26 <gbraad> we would like to target for something around November.
14:19:32 <liknus> oh nice
14:19:42 <gbraad> although... everything is possible.
14:19:56 <gbraad> nothing to add
14:20:02 <liknus> thanks gbraad !
14:20:11 <liknus> we will follow that closely
14:20:15 <liknus> moving on:
14:20:42 <liknus> I still have to deliver the swag wranglers draft proposal
14:20:56 <liknus> I am sorry but I was in Kenya for a week
14:21:28 <liknus> #action liknus finishes the draft about swag wranglers
14:21:35 <liknus> ok
14:21:41 <liknus> By the way:
14:21:46 <liknus> #topic Afirca FAD
14:22:06 <liknus> during my stay in Nairobi I met with the local Fedorians and especially Kennedy Kasina
14:22:14 <liknus> our Ambassador in Nairobi
14:22:38 <liknus> and he is willing to head the preparations on making an Nairobi FAD possible
14:22:58 <gbraad> sounds good
14:23:09 <yn1v> great!
14:23:27 <liknus> I was thinking of scaling it up a bit and shipping key african contributors (like Isaac and t2hot) and possibly someone from Europe to head a technical track
14:23:40 <igorps> It's great to see some activity from Africa
14:23:55 <liknus> Kennedy is working with me to determine a cost of that and I will get back with what we need
14:24:09 <liknus> Hopefully we can pull it off during summer
14:24:21 <liknus> I will keep you updated (also make a wiki page)
14:24:48 <igorps> if there is not much technical folks there I think it's a good way to go
14:25:00 <liknus> now on the same track (FADs)
14:25:02 <igorps> so we provide some knowledge sharing
14:25:08 <liknus> #topic Greek FAD
14:25:33 <liknus> In two weeks we are having a greek conference of foss communities named FossComm
14:25:44 <liknus> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fosscomm2011
14:26:15 <liknus> More than 10 fedora greek members will be present and we have reserved a whole room for Sunday in order to make a FAD possible
14:26:39 <liknus> booth and talk on the main track will be also in schedule :)
14:27:05 <liknus> I was thinking of sponsoring the accommodation of the members who are traveling
14:27:24 <liknus> For 9-10 persons we are talking of ~650 EUR in total
14:27:26 <liknus> sounds good?
14:27:40 <yn1v> yes.
14:27:43 <liknus> and possibly with a dinner of the team out we are on 700
14:27:50 <igorps> sounds reasonable, considering the amount of people
14:27:58 <gbraad> sounds good, and certainly do-able for the price
14:28:01 <yn1v> I have a question, do you have an agenda for this FAD ?
14:28:09 <liknus> two days will be the sponsored accommodation
14:30:38 <gbraad> anyone?
14:30:47 <kaio> 1
14:31:00 <igorps> kaio: hello!
14:31:16 <yn1v> ?
14:31:55 <liknus> I am sorry.. net probs
14:32:04 <liknus> where were we?
14:32:19 <yn1v> do you have an agenda for this FAD ?
14:32:38 <liknus> yn1v, on the wiki you can see the talks already for the FAD and we will add more
14:32:47 <liknus> (a l10n marathon headed by Transifex team D. Glezos etc)
14:32:56 <yn1v> cool :)
14:32:57 <liknus> so are we agreed on that?
14:33:01 <liknus> any more info needed?
14:33:01 <igorps> +1
14:33:03 <gbraad> +1
14:33:14 <liknus> ok nice
14:33:30 <liknus> #agreed funding (~700 EUR) for Greek FAD
14:33:34 <liknus> moving on :
14:33:52 <gbraad> :-O
14:34:00 <liknus> #topic Events page
14:34:05 <gbraad> ~650 became ~700
14:34:18 <liknus> <liknus> and possibly with a dinner of the team out we are on 700
14:34:23 <liknus> gbraad, :)
14:34:30 <gbraad> ok
14:34:37 <gbraad> this did not come through
14:34:39 <liknus> I am super careful with our budget
14:34:40 <gbraad> +1
14:34:55 <gbraad> I understand, just to be sure we got all information
14:35:17 <liknus> no worries.. everything will be totally transparent as always
14:35:21 <liknus> so
14:35:26 <liknus> on Events page
14:35:26 <gbraad> ok, we can move on
14:35:57 <liknus> I am gonna have to ask you all to help me by chiming in on the bug so we can stress how important it is for us to have it fixed
14:36:23 <liknus> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2563
14:36:46 <igorps> I will post there
14:36:49 <liknus> The last thing we can do is also to bring that to the board
14:37:01 <liknus> shall we do that? or wait for the bug replies?
14:37:26 <igorps> I'll post on that ticket
14:37:38 <igorps> if nobody replies we go to the board
14:37:48 <gbraad> agree!
14:38:01 <nirik> it's on the roadmap... ;) Just not sure when it will be scheduled yet.
14:38:22 <liknus> nirik, no ETA then?
14:38:26 <gbraad> nirik: so it needs to be scheduled ;-)
14:38:33 <liknus> (it's been months now)
14:38:40 <igorps> we really need to push this forward
14:38:41 <nirik> yeah, seems to have stalled out. ;(
14:38:51 <nirik> I'll try and see what I can do on the infrastructure side.
14:38:59 <liknus> thanks nirik
14:39:02 <nirik> how soon do you need it? as soon as possible? whats it blocking?
14:39:16 <gbraad> infra has a backlog, as my ticket is also outstanding for months
14:39:25 <liknus> nirik, we are trying to make our Events wiki page usable
14:39:31 <liknus> and this is blocking it
14:39:42 <igorps> Event page became totally counterproductive
14:39:53 <nirik> liknus: ok, and new version would allow you to do that?
14:40:07 <nirik> gbraad: whats the ticket number? I have been trying to work down the backlog, but it's a slow process. ;)
14:40:15 <liknus> infra team thinks that fixing the current one does not make any sense as we are going to update that
14:40:25 <liknus> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2563
14:40:50 <liknus> oh.. sorry.. you meant the backlog one
14:40:52 <gbraad> nirik, famsco ticket has priority. mine can wait
14:41:03 <nirik> ok.
14:41:13 <nirik> I'll try and help you guys out... see if we can get it moving next week.
14:41:29 <liknus> ok I am noting that to actions so we can keep track of it
14:41:33 <igorps> thanks, nirik
14:41:45 <nirik> no problem.
14:41:53 <liknus> #action nirik pushes fwd the wiki update ticket
14:41:59 <liknus> thanks nirik so much
14:42:03 <liknus> ok moving on:
14:42:23 <liknus> #topic Ambassadors Schedule
14:42:31 <liknus> http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-15/f-15-ambassadors-tasks.html
14:42:54 <liknus> as you have seen in my mail I asked for delay of two weeks for the release events planning actions
14:43:03 <liknus> (as we have time for that)
14:43:09 <liknus> rbergeron, ping on that^
14:43:52 <liknus> budget allocation (item 13) can wait also after that
14:44:00 <igorps> sounds better to me
14:44:01 <liknus> (as we need the proposals first)
14:44:26 <liknus> cwickert, so kind enough to help us make the announcement for the release events and prepare the wiki pages
14:44:30 <liknus> thanks cwickert !
14:44:49 <liknus> Release events can be found here:
14:44:50 <liknus> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F15_release_events
14:45:12 <yn1v> in this schedule ... #18 are we going to have release for production before General Availability ??
14:45:12 <cwickert> welcome liknus :)
14:45:20 <liknus> I am gonna ask the regional meeting leaders to communicate that and fill those events regionally
14:45:47 <igorps> I can do that for LATAM
14:46:06 <liknus> thanks igorps
14:46:23 <yn1v> I was thinking about writing LATAM mailing list, but decided to wait after Easter
14:46:47 <liknus> please do that asap :)
14:47:24 <igorps> yn1v: you can write to the list and I will bring it to next meeting agenda
14:47:34 <liknus> yn1v, this is to have the best and fastest way to get the ISOs
14:47:43 <liknus> possibly a bit before GA
14:48:13 <yn1v> Amazing, that will make shorter time betwwen GA and release events
14:48:14 <liknus> Also Larry *must* start to work on item 14
14:48:32 <liknus> we need regional townhalls asap
14:48:57 <liknus> #action liknus sends an email to Larry reminding the Regional TownHalls
14:49:00 <liknus> ok
14:49:09 <liknus> anything more on schedule?
14:49:12 <yn1v> #action yn1v write to mailing list for people make relese events entries. igorps pushes on regional meeting
14:49:46 <liknus> nice
14:49:53 <liknus> moving on:
14:50:19 <liknus> igorps, about the survey?
14:50:29 <igorps> pinged infra about that
14:50:31 <liknus> #topic FAmSCo Survey
14:50:44 <liknus> so nothing new?
14:50:50 <liknus> you did that with a ticket?
14:51:15 <igorps> limesurvey is stuck
14:51:27 <igorps> no, post on infra list
14:51:42 <igorps> there is already a ticket for limesurvey
14:51:49 <igorps> which is not progressing
14:52:07 <igorps> so Kevin said that limeservice.com is probably the best way to go
14:52:21 <liknus> igorps, continue on the ticket and edit our agenda adding the ticket
14:52:29 * nirik nods.
14:52:54 <yn1v> yes we agreed on that for now, but we need to keep pressure on getting our survey instance
14:53:18 <igorps> liknus: ok
14:53:24 <liknus> #action igorps pursues FAmSCo survey on infra ticket and adds ticket on FAmSCo agenda
14:53:25 <liknus> ok?
14:53:27 <yn1v> at least marketing and famsco are looking forward for that
14:53:36 <igorps> the point is it might not make it for this survey
14:53:37 <liknus> yeap
14:54:12 <nirik> the review for limesurvey has been long and difficult. Hopefully it will pass at some point before too long though.
14:55:02 <liknus> we see
14:55:07 <liknus> ok
14:55:16 <liknus> anything more on that people?
14:55:18 <igorps> ok, so we should keeping push this forward, meanwhile we work with limeservice
14:55:31 <igorps> not from me
14:55:52 <yn1v> we have agreed to use limesurvey.com for this survey, but there will be more surveys ... like how well the release event where
14:56:02 <igorps> I saw the yn1v already has something for the survey
14:56:34 <yn1v> yes I make a draft for the survey...
14:56:37 <gbraad> sounds ok to me
14:56:42 <liknus> me too
14:56:50 <yn1v> http://yn1v.fedorapeople.org/Documents/draft_ambassadors_survey.odt
14:57:03 <igorps> I don't remember an agree point on using limeservice.com
14:57:08 <igorps> but we can do it
14:57:26 <gbraad> my 'sounds ok to me' was the agreement
14:57:33 <yn1v> I pointed out that has been done in the past (using limesurvey.com)
14:57:56 <igorps> yn1v: now I get it :)
14:58:00 <gbraad> and since marketing also showed interest made chosing this easier
14:58:10 <igorps> gbraad: +1
14:58:32 <liknus> the easiest and fastest way is the way to go
14:58:40 <liknus> for now we can have limeservice
14:58:44 <yn1v> specifically about paying for the extra entries on limesurvey.com has also done in the past
14:59:42 <liknus> ok
14:59:46 <igorps> yn1v:  we can start to look into costs considering your draft
15:00:54 <yn1v> #action yn1v present cost for limesurvey.com services for the ongoing survey idea
15:01:05 <igorps> #agreed FAmSCo will use limeservice.com for its survey
15:01:14 <liknus> the draft seems quite well written! thanks yn1v !
15:01:54 <yn1v> it is really about the fourth draft ;)
15:02:02 <gbraad> did not take the time yet to read it, but it is on my desktop for review
15:02:46 <liknus> ok people:
15:02:48 <liknus> moving on:
15:02:58 <yn1v> I will give the survey a rest for about four days, and will be collecting more ideas to be included then.
15:03:18 <liknus> #topic LibreBus
15:03:33 <liknus> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/165
15:03:52 <gbraad> fyi, lag starts to build up on my end
15:04:12 <yn1v> I forgot to point out that this is a interesting opportunity to get people outside our regular circle
15:04:43 <liknus> About the first ticket
15:04:43 <liknus> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/163
15:04:49 <liknus> this seems a no brainer
15:05:07 <liknus> I will accept that right away
15:05:11 <liknus> about the second one
15:05:16 <liknus> the #165
15:05:25 <liknus> can you tell us a bit more on that yn1v ?
15:06:08 <yn1v> The project so far is looking for sponsors to complete the budget
15:06:43 <yn1v> there will be a communication campaign distributing material with logo and
15:06:53 <yn1v> explanation about each sponsor
15:07:18 <liknus> what other sponsors are we looking at?
15:07:22 <yn1v> they are not making sponsorship a condition for magjogui to be on the bus
15:07:46 <liknus> thats good
15:07:54 <yn1v> internationa cooperation agengies for development form spain and nederland
15:07:59 <liknus> (I have just edit the ticket to accept it)
15:08:12 <liknus> anyone else from foss world?
15:08:15 <yn1v> University form Costa Rica
15:08:28 <yn1v> No, nobody from foss world
15:08:47 <yn1v> the closest may be creative commons
15:09:07 <liknus> that sounds like a nice opportunity for Fedora
15:09:18 <liknus> although 1500 are a lot of money..
15:09:35 <igorps> The key thing here is how to make that money flow
15:09:36 <liknus> I would prefer to spend it on swag and material for the librebus
15:09:38 <gbraad> Nederland?
15:09:48 <yn1v> yes, wi will have the spot light just for us in a audience that is sensible to issues like patents
15:10:41 <liknus> From our side we would love to make sure that this money will help promote foss and fedora
15:10:45 <yn1v> Hivos is an development cooperation agency from netherlands
15:11:05 <gbraad> had never heard of them.
15:11:23 <yn1v> linkus, what you suggest is to take the $1500, produce swag and give the resto for supporting librebus?
15:11:45 <liknus> yn1v, something like that
15:11:50 <yn1v> http://www.hivos.nl
15:11:59 <liknus> do they have a cap for sponsorships?
15:11:59 <gbraad> already looking at it
15:12:11 <liknus> (like tiers)
15:12:18 <yn1v> what do you mean by cap ?
15:12:42 <liknus> (least amount of money)
15:12:54 <yn1v> no that I am aware of
15:13:36 <liknus> So: giving them 500 USD and the rest for fedora swag and travelling for fedora people sounds ok?
15:14:34 <yn1v> I was taking numbers on my head, and I was thinking about using 600 for swag.
15:14:55 <yn1v> there is only the travel expense for magjogui
15:15:07 <yn1v> that will be outside the librebus
15:15:31 <gbraad> I have no issues with Fedora sponsoring part of the Librebus initiative. If more promotion is needed, please let me know.
15:15:40 <yn1v> and help them to put fedora logos on all the material that they will produce
15:15:48 <gbraad> but I can not stay any longer for this meeting... :-s
15:16:01 <liknus> thanks gbraad !
15:16:07 <liknus> see ya around :)
15:16:13 <yn1v> good weekend gbraad
15:16:15 <igorps> gbraad: see ya!
15:16:31 * gbraad afk
15:16:35 <liknus> yn1v, please write an email to famsco ml so we can discuss it in length
15:16:50 <liknus> From first sight we are ok with helping out :)
15:17:08 <yn1v> okey, I will do that.
15:17:10 <liknus> #action yn1v details librebus sponsoring on famsco ml
15:17:15 <liknus> ok thanks!
15:17:26 <liknus> (I have to tell you that I want to be on that bus :P)
15:17:31 <liknus> moving on:
15:18:10 <liknus> #topic Release teams Dinners
15:18:29 <liknus> I think that we can have clear visibility on this when we have all events submitted
15:19:17 <liknus> although on the other hand we can safely say that 60 EUR for each team (and having 20 parties around the world that will use this) will be a safe 1200 EUR number
15:19:33 <igorps> Do we need a criteria to decide which ones we will be awarded or are we willing to sponsor all of them?
15:19:35 <liknus> I guess we would have to check with CommArch
15:19:58 <liknus> igorps, only those that blog with text and photos about the events
15:20:02 <yn1v> the first time this was awarded it was not public, in the sense that there was no announce saying get an event done and get a dinner.
15:20:10 <liknus> (I guess thats the best way to go)
15:20:23 <igorps> liknus: +1
15:20:50 <liknus> yeap
15:20:53 <liknus> so:
15:20:53 <yn1v> I like the idea. + 1
15:21:00 <igorps> around 60 EUR for each team in LATAM sounds good either
15:21:27 <liknus> for 4-5 people per dinner it is ok also in EU
15:21:40 <liknus> and for Asia it is more that enough on most cases :)
15:21:44 <liknus> so are we ok?
15:21:54 <yn1v> formal process... get you wiki straight, get your tickets straight, post about swag and event, if needed write a report = dinner
15:21:59 <liknus> (about asking CommArch about that)
15:22:08 <igorps> liknus: ok
15:22:10 <liknus> yn1v, +1
15:22:19 <liknus> ok I will post on our famsco list about that
15:22:47 <yn1v> on F13 we were 6 at the dinner and it was less that 60 EU
15:22:51 <liknus> #liknus writes proposal about release teams dinners on ml
15:22:59 <liknus> yn1v, ncie
15:23:10 <liknus> we will say 60 as a cap
15:23:18 <igorps> +1
15:23:26 <liknus> possibly 60 USD for the rest of the world
15:23:32 <liknus> and 60 EUR for EU
15:23:42 <liknus> :P
15:23:44 <liknus> kidding
15:23:46 <gbraad> just a brief question for yn1v; does librebus also take donations?
15:24:03 <yn1v> yes, they do
15:24:06 <liknus> ok moving on:
15:24:22 <liknus> Larry is not here
15:24:27 <liknus> so I think we are pretty much done
15:24:32 <liknus> #topic OpenFloor
15:24:39 <liknus> thanks guys for this productive meetin
15:24:43 <liknus> meeting*
15:24:50 <liknus> We have many action items
15:24:56 <liknus> lets try to push them all
15:25:17 <liknus> I will publish updated agenda and actions later tonight (I now have to run)
15:25:22 <liknus> thanks all!
15:25:24 <igorps> Thank you liknus!
15:25:30 <gbraad> thansk
15:25:51 <liknus> #endmeeting