15:07:05 <rdieter> #startmeeting kde-sig -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2011-05-10
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15:07:08 <rdieter> #meeting name kde-sig
15:07:18 <rdieter> #topic roll call
15:07:24 <rdieter> who's handy today?
15:07:54 * ltinkl is present
15:07:56 * rnovacek here
15:08:08 <rdieter> rumors are that jreznik will be busy in Berlin today
15:08:32 <rdieter> than: ping
15:08:56 <than> rdieter: yes, he is at linuxtag in berlin
15:09:06 <rdieter> #info rdieter ltinkl rnovacek Kevin_Kofler than present
15:09:19 <rdieter> #info jreznik sends regrets from linuxtag
15:09:25 * rdieter jealous
15:09:42 <rdieter> #chair ltinkl rnovacek  Kevin_Kofler than
15:09:42 <zodbot> Current chairs: Kevin_Kofler ltinkl rdieter rnovacek than
15:09:47 <rdieter> #topic agenda
15:10:03 <rdieter> wiki page was empty, so any topics to discuss today?
15:10:15 * Kevin_Kofler is present.
15:10:27 <Kevin_Kofler> F15 wrap-up? 4.6.3?
15:11:00 <Kevin_Kofler> Possibly also Qt 5 and KDE 5 if we're REALLY bored… ;-) But I guess it's too early to make any plans for that.
15:11:09 <ltinkl> yup
15:12:05 <than> Kevin_Kofler: i think it's to early for the discussion
15:12:30 <rdieter> #topic F15 wrap-up
15:12:44 <rdieter> ok, f15 final change deadline was yesterday.
15:13:04 <Kevin_Kofler> Hopefully it's all sorted now.
15:13:08 <rdieter> I think we're in good shape
15:13:36 <Kevin_Kofler> One thing I'm not sure is great is that stuff with Categories=System;Settings; is now listed twice in the menu (because we switched to upstream's structure).
15:13:57 <Kevin_Kofler> But I'm not sure it's worth trying to fix this for F15, it might get rejected as a late freeze override anyway.
15:14:10 <Kevin_Kofler> Also I'm not sure whether we want to "fix" this at all.
15:14:14 <rdieter> Kevin_Kofler: yeah, though makes me curious why upstream chose to do it that way
15:14:33 <Kevin_Kofler> Because stuff shouldn't be using 2 primary categories in the first place, unless it WANTS to be listed twice. :-/
15:14:44 <Kevin_Kofler> This System+Settings mess is a RH/Fedora hack.
15:15:03 <Kevin_Kofler> Possible resolutions would be:
15:15:12 <Kevin_Kofler> 0. do nothing (just let the stuff be listed twice)
15:15:20 <Kevin_Kofler> 1. show it in Settings only
15:15:24 <Kevin_Kofler> 2. show it in System only
15:15:47 <Kevin_Kofler> 3. readd the Administration category, this time with Requires: redhat-menus so we get proper naming (including translations) and a proper icon
15:16:24 <rdieter> to be clear, the RH/Fedora hack is the creation of "Administration" whose contents get populated by stuff with System+Settings?
15:16:27 <Kevin_Kofler> (not that "System Settings" category with the default folder icon we had on the F15 nightlies before we dropped the menu patch)
15:16:48 <Kevin_Kofler> rdieter: Yes, and the widespread usage of Categories=System;Settings; in the first place.
15:16:55 <rdieter> ugh
15:16:57 <Kevin_Kofler> Most of the stuff there is Fedora system-config-* stuff.
15:17:16 <Kevin_Kofler> And mclasen says it's too late to change the .desktop files for F15.
15:17:16 <rdieter> ok, I think I'd rather go with 3 then
15:17:19 <than> Kevin_Kofler: i prefer the 3.option
15:17:32 <Kevin_Kofler> I wonder if we can get it past the freeze police though.
15:17:56 <than> Kevin_Kofler: we can fix it in fedora-update later
15:17:59 <rdieter> Kevin_Kofler: it's a justifiable nth
15:18:17 <Kevin_Kofler> OK, so what I'm going to do is:
15:18:18 <rdieter> esp if we have an easyfix in hand
15:18:26 * rbergeron has an awesome police costumes
15:18:42 <Kevin_Kofler> 1. revert the conditionalizing of the Fedora menu patch, i.e. go back to always applying it.
15:18:46 <Kevin_Kofler> 2. add Requires: redhat-menus.
15:18:48 <rdieter> must... refrain... from... tasteless... jokes...
15:19:20 <Kevin_Kofler> Changing the name from "System Settings" to "Administration" in the patch might also be a good idea, but I'm not sure we want to do that now.
15:19:35 <Kevin_Kofler> redhat-menus replaces the name.
15:19:43 <rdieter> Kevin_Kofler: yeah, sorry about the flip-flops here, I didn't fully realize the whole situation before :(
15:20:50 <rdieter> let's make sure it's accompanied by a .spec comment to document it though.
15:21:21 <Kevin_Kofler> Yes, it lacked a comment previously.
15:21:26 <Kevin_Kofler> I'm going to write a good comment.
15:22:07 <rdieter> what do you mean by:  Changing the name from "System Settings" to "Administration" in the patch might also be a good idea, .... ?
15:22:26 <rdieter> my f14 kde box has "Administration" already
15:22:43 <rdieter> or is that just because redhat-menus is present?
15:22:55 <than> rdieter: yes
15:23:25 <rdieter> ok, if redhat-menus handles that already, it's ok to not do more, imo
15:24:43 <rdieter> I suppose we still have no feedback wrt nm-0.9-compat and vpn support
15:24:45 <rdieter> ?
15:25:06 <Kevin_Kofler> The default name in the patch is weird, but OTOH this means we notice immediately if redhat-menus goes missing again, or stops handling the category.
15:26:04 <ltinkl> rdieter: nope, no reaction on the bugreport whatsoever
15:26:07 <rdieter> seems like kdelibs3 even still Requires: redhat-menus , but I have no idea why that is anymore (probably the same/similar issue as here with kde4?)
15:26:25 * rdieter makes sad panda face @ nm-0.9-compat
15:28:08 <rdieter> .bug 699786
15:28:10 <zodbot> rdieter: Bug 699786 VPN connections broken in the compat interface - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=699786
15:28:55 <rdieter> ok, anything else f15-related ?
15:29:03 <than> Kevin_Kofler:  i now remember again why i made this patch in kdelibs a long time ago
15:29:03 <Kevin_Kofler> rdieter: kdelibs3 probably Requires it for the same reason.
15:29:12 <Kevin_Kofler> We just forgot this Requires in kdelibs.
15:29:25 <than> Kevin_Kofler: yes, it should be added in kdelibs3 too
15:29:32 <Kevin_Kofler> And we didn't notice because this got dragged in by other stuff before GNOME 3.
15:29:59 <rdieter> kdelibs3 already has it, though does it really need it anymore?  kdelibs3 isn't doing anything related to menus/categories anymore really, is it?
15:30:23 <Kevin_Kofler> It still defines menu categories, I have no idea if they're used anywhere.
15:30:37 <rdieter> I guess it's mostly harmless
15:30:41 <rdieter> at worst
15:30:58 <rdieter> can we move on?
15:32:12 <rdieter> #topic kde-4.6.3
15:32:18 * rdieter takes that as a yes... kde-4.6.3
15:32:51 <rdieter> after an initial thrill seeing f15 kdebase-workspace break solid/NM ... got all this in kde-testing so far.
15:33:20 <ltinkl> rdieter: what breakage?
15:33:43 <rdieter> ltinkl: upstream added a cmake check to not build nm support if using nm-0.9
15:34:05 <ltinkl> rdieter: in kdelibs?
15:34:10 <Kevin_Kofler> In kdebase-workspace.
15:34:34 <Kevin_Kofler> I added a line to the nm-09-compat patch to revert that change.
15:34:51 <ltinkl> uhoh
15:35:33 <Kevin_Kofler> Re the menu issue, I filed https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=703531 which I'm going to propose as NTH once I have the fix actually built.
15:35:33 <rdieter> been meaning to do a few more dist-f14-kde rebuilds against the older docbook-style-xsl pkg, to see if we can get khelpcenter working better again
15:35:54 <Kevin_Kofler> (or building, at least)
15:36:22 <rdieter> afaict, our current set of builds still doesn't seem to fix things, in my limited testing
15:36:45 <Kevin_Kofler> Uhm, darn.
15:36:54 <Kevin_Kofler> Maybe need to start rebuilding kdelibs against it, then everything else?
15:37:50 <rdieter> maybe? :)  If I keep having problems, I'll poke tosky for details
15:38:11 <than> rdieter: what is broken atm in docbook-style-xsl?
15:38:35 <rdieter> .bug 690124
15:38:37 <zodbot> rdieter: Bug 690124 links to contents, previous and next missing in khelpcenter - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=690124
15:39:03 <rdieter> than: ^^ , see the irc conversation I had with tosky, I pasted in there
15:39:38 <rdieter> in short, docbook-style-xsl-1.75 = good, docbook-style-xsl-1.76 = bad   at the moment
15:40:20 <rdieter> and bad landed with https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/docbook-style-xsl-1.76.1-1.fc14
15:40:45 <than> it means we have to revert docbook-style-xsl in f14?
15:41:18 <rdieter> than: that's an option, if tosky can't make things work right with 1.76 (but that still leaves f15 broken)
15:41:55 <than> it's bad :(
15:42:51 <Kevin_Kofler> The big annoyance is that it looks like it's a build-time issue.
15:43:01 <Kevin_Kofler> So all the stuff built with the new docbook-style-xsl has broken documentation.
15:43:25 <Kevin_Kofler> In particular, all of F15, given that the bad version was already in the buildroot when the mass rebuild happened.
15:43:26 <rdieter> that's part of my uncertainty, of which parts are buildtime vs runtime
15:43:43 <rdieter> but by all accounts, seems mostly buildtime related
15:45:17 <rdieter> so anyway, I am *hoping* that if we can get f14 working with 1.75, that'll give us something to go on anyway (and know we at least have the regression fixed there in f14)
15:46:25 <than> rdieter: has someone already taken a look at the diff between 1.75-1.76?
15:47:02 <rdieter> than: not that I'm aware of (only tosky upstream has been looking at it so far, that I know of)
15:48:31 <rdieter> I would've, but this seems quite a bit beyond me
15:49:40 <rdieter> that's just me being chicken, it's not rocket-science though
15:51:00 <rdieter> to wrap-up the topic, I'll get to work queue'ing these up for updates-testing soon, maybe tomorrow-ish.
15:52:05 <rdieter> and any help investigating/testing the docbook-style-xsl thing would be greatly appreciated
15:54:12 <than> i will investigate the issue in the docbook-style-xsl
15:54:39 <rdieter> muchas gracias
15:55:06 <rdieter> well, time is running short, any last words before we close the meeting?
15:55:13 <rdieter> #topic open discussino
15:55:18 <rdieter> #undo
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15:55:23 <rdieter> #topic open discussion
15:55:46 <Kevin_Kofler> FYI: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=703531
15:56:11 <Kevin_Kofler> kdelibs-4.6.2-5.fc15, kdelibs-4.6.3-4.fc15 and kdelibs-4.6.3-4.fc16 now building.
15:56:20 <rdieter> Kevin_Kofler: thanks!
15:58:11 <rdieter> alright, sounds quiet, thanks everyone!
15:58:14 <rdieter> #endmeeting