20:00:04 <stickster> #startmeeting Insight (Agenda: http://tinyurl.com/insight-agenda)
20:00:04 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue May 10 20:00:04 2011 UTC.  The chair is stickster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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20:00:07 <stickster> #meetingname Insight
20:00:07 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'insight'
20:00:12 <stickster> #topic Roll call
20:00:13 * stickster 
20:01:12 <asrob> I am here
20:01:25 <stickster> #chair asrob
20:01:25 <zodbot> Current chairs: asrob stickster
20:02:51 <stickster> Well, I guess it's just you and me asrob. Let's make this quick then.
20:02:58 <stickster> #topic Last week's action items
20:03:05 <stickster> #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2011-05-02/insight.2011-05-02-19.00.html <-- minutes from last meeting
20:03:41 <asrob> :)
20:03:42 <stickster> #info stickster completed all his except editing requirements on [[Fedora_Calendar_Project]] page
20:04:43 <asrob> I pulled authfas repo again, it works
20:05:12 <stickster> asrob, I saw your post to logistics@ list and responded. Best thing would be to come with a proposal in hand, or else it's difficult to drive the discussion. I gave some suggestions for that... I'd write a wiki page and just link from the main [[Insight]] page, or just edit a new section on [[How to develop for Insight]] detailing how you think we should use Features.
20:05:18 <asrob> here is a draft, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Insight_development_using_Features_module
20:05:26 <stickster> BEAUTY!
20:05:44 <asrob> not so much
20:05:50 <asrob> I am working on that
20:06:11 <stickster> asrob, OK, this is a start though. If you make this look like a step-by-step procedure, it becomes much easier to discuss
20:06:23 <asrob> I have just updated drupal6-features into EL6 testing
20:06:29 <asrob> stickster: +1 ;)
20:06:49 <stickster> asrob, OK, looks like we need to #topic
20:07:10 <stickster> #info asrob has done all the things on his list other than previously mentioned requirements editing
20:07:22 <stickster> #action asrob stickster visit https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Calendar_Project and edit requirements as needed
20:07:39 <stickster> #topic Features module proposal
20:08:01 <stickster> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Insight_development_using_Features_module <-- asrob is drafting here
20:08:18 <stickster> #action asrob to finish a procedure there so we can hack at it on list
20:08:43 <stickster> asrob, FWIW I've started using this for an internal project and I have a process that "sort of, kind of" works
20:09:19 <asrob> :)
20:09:29 <stickster> But I'd like to compare it to another workflow -- the good news is, I feel like I can read your proposal, understand it, and make useful feedback
20:10:03 <asrob> okay, that is good :)
20:11:20 <stickster> asrob, OK, can you finish your proposal in the next day or two?
20:11:35 <asrob> stickster: absolutely
20:12:07 <stickster> Cool
20:12:09 <asrob> I am going to work on this tomorrow
20:12:21 <stickster> OK, shall we move on to talking about the insight.dev host status?
20:12:28 <asrob> yeah
20:12:29 <stickster> #topic insight.dev host status
20:12:56 <stickster> #info stickster has installed a bunch of required packages but the following things need to be finished still:
20:13:04 <stickster> #info 1. Set up MySQL
20:13:20 <stickster> #info 2. Finish configuring httpd + Drupal 6
20:13:41 <stickster> #info 3. Import data from insight.fp.o via the backup_migrate module
20:14:03 <stickster> <eof>
20:14:11 <asrob> :) it is cool
20:15:29 <stickster> #info stickster wants to puppetize this host as well but hasn't had time while traveling to figure out where to do that exactly.
20:15:43 <stickster> #action stickster Look for assistance/advice in #fedora-admin and complete puppetization of insight.dev.fp.o host
20:16:25 <asrob> averi? ohh, he is not here :(
20:17:18 <stickster> averi is in a particularly busy time between his GNOME duties and school exams. He sent me email but I encouraged him to share that with the group -- it's not a problem, people always have a natural ebb and flow in their available time
20:17:46 <stickster> asrob, You're welcome to help at any time if you're able
20:17:53 <asrob> ahh, I see, I did not know this
20:18:11 <asrob> stickster: okay, I will help you
20:18:33 <asrob> but I am a beginner sysadmin :)
20:19:25 <stickster> It's no worry -- I can complete this one, once I have some time free -- and it's not a blocker for us, since we can install things on insight.dev.fp.o already
20:19:42 <asrob> okay
20:19:48 <stickster> Let's move on
20:20:22 <stickster> #topic Phase 2 proposed work
20:20:40 <stickster> I'd really like more people here for this, but I wanted to at least put the current stuff on the radar screen :-)
20:20:52 <stickster> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Insight_project_plan <-- This is the page where we are tracking things we want to do in Phase 2
20:21:09 <asrob> stickster: I have an idea, hiemanshu and I talked about upgrading to drupal 7 a little bit
20:21:35 <asrob> stickster: can we upgrade our drupal installation to drupal 7 in this phase?
20:22:06 <stickster> Hm
20:22:44 <stickster> I think it's certainly a conversation we can have. I don't know how I feel about it personally, but I'm just one person on the team
20:22:45 <stickster> :-)
20:23:14 <stickster> Before doing so we'd need a complete plan for migrating data and any features we've established already
20:24:45 <stickster> asrob, If you and/or hiemanshu want to suggest this, please bring it to the list so we can discuss with everyone.
20:24:58 <asrob> sure
20:25:51 <stickster> #link http://hiemanshu.wordpress.com/2011/05/09/gsoc-what-goes-around-comes-around/ <-- hiemanshu says here he wants to integrate an events system with Drupal, meaning we could have this as part of insight
20:26:08 <asrob> yeah, I read it
20:26:42 <stickster> #info stickster would like to see more communication from them on the list. I haven't seen anything from them in writing -- apparently they decided this after talking with people in IRC?
20:28:16 <asrob> I suggested to him a drupal distribution to use in his gsoc, http://usecod.com/
20:29:45 <stickster> asrob, I guess the big question would be what they'd code as part of the project then. :-) That's for Hiemanshu and his mentor to worry about, but they should be discussing with us on list. If you happen to strike up a conversation with them on IRC, please remind them that "if it didn't happen on the list, it didn't happen." (Part of the open source way!) :-)
20:30:27 <asrob> okay :))
20:32:05 <stickster> The other major bullets I see on the list: (1) Shared access to the @fedora Identi.ca feed through a FAS group; (2) Ability to publish and attach podcasts to a story and have them carried in an official feed; (3) Ability for podcast publications to go out to appopriate announcement channels
20:32:23 <stickster> #idea Any other things we can add there should go on the list! :-)
20:32:43 <stickster> oops
20:32:44 <stickster> #undo
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20:33:03 <stickster> #idea Any other things we can add to Phase 2 functions should go on the list at [[Insight_project_plan]] (linked from main page as well)
20:33:27 <asrob> stickster: it would be good if you can explain those clearly to me ;)
20:33:45 <asrob> how do you imagine those, etc-etc
20:34:59 <stickster> I imagine (1) as... people who are members of a FAS group will also be members of a role on Insight. When they login, they can choose "Manage identi.ca feed" or some such menu item. When they go to that page, they see a timeline of the @fedora feed on identi.ca. They have the ability to post a message there and it will be sent out to identi.ca without having to give the identi.ca account password to everyone.
20:36:06 <asrob> hmm, maybe, there is a drupal module, I am looking for...
20:36:21 <stickster> asrob, You don't need to do it during this meeting, that's OK :-) You can write notes on the wiki page if you like
20:36:36 * stickster is trying to make this meeting shorter since it's just a dialogue between the two of us :-)
20:36:55 <asrob> ah, okay, sorry
20:37:52 <stickster> (2) seems kind of self-explanatory to me. Ability to attach an Ogg Vorbis podcast, and have all podcast attachments appear in a RSS feed that people can have in their media player
20:38:19 <stickster> (3) would be a little more complicated, but not much -- when new podcasts appear, send email to one or more mailing lists to let people know it's up
20:38:51 <asrob> I see
20:39:23 <stickster> So if you have any other things that you'd like to see in Phase 2, we can add them as well
20:39:42 <stickster> Remember we should add those things now, as opposed to later, so we're not moving the goalposts after we figure out the ETA :-)
20:39:58 <asrob> ;)
20:40:02 <stickster> Well, not *now* in the meeting -- but let's say in the next couple of weeks
20:40:24 <stickster> #idea We could set a deadline of F15 release for the Phase 2 list
20:40:42 <stickster> That's 2 weeks from today, is that enough time?
20:41:00 <asrob> yes, it is
20:42:13 <stickster> #agreed 2 weeks seems OK to stickster & asrob :-)
20:42:18 <stickster> #action stickster Announce Phase 2 collection of functions, deadline F15 release day (2011-05-24)
20:42:48 <stickster> That's all I have for today then, what about you asrob?
20:42:55 <stickster> #topic Open floor -- all other business
20:44:20 <asrob> nothing special, tomorrow I am working on features workflow, podcast and identica support and if I have a free time I will try to upgrade my drupal 6 to 7
20:44:57 <stickster> asrob, I would be interested in seeing how the upgrade works with a copy of our data from the production system on insight.fp.o.
20:45:10 <stickster> You should be able to get a copy there -- the backup_migrate module is installed IIRC
20:45:53 <asrob> okay, I will use it
20:46:15 <stickster> asrob, Yes, it's up, just confirmed  :-)
20:46:23 <asrob> :)
20:46:24 <stickster> I've heard that migrating CCK stuff is not fun :-
20:46:26 <stickster> :-\
20:46:43 <asrob> yeah, I think I will fight with that :)
20:46:47 <stickster> OK
20:46:53 <stickster> I leave it in your good hands to report :-)
20:47:02 <asrob> thanks
20:48:08 <stickster> #action asrob try out D6->D7 upgrade to see what happens
20:48:16 <stickster> Anything else we should capture today?
20:48:36 <asrob> nothing
20:49:05 <stickster> Okay, leaving open for 60 sec
20:49:14 <stickster> asrob, Does this time work well for you?
20:49:53 <asrob> yeah, it does
20:50:08 <stickster> Cool.
20:50:19 <stickster> Thanks for coming asrob!
20:50:22 <stickster> #endmeeting