15:17:04 <abadger1999> #startmeeting fpc 15:17:04 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed May 25 15:17:04 2011 UTC. The chair is abadger1999. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:17:04 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:17:20 <abadger1999> #meetingname fpc 15:17:20 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fpc' 15:18:10 <abadger1999> #addchair limburgher tibbs_ racor SmootherFrOgZ 15:18:55 <tibbs> Ah. 15:18:57 <abadger1999> #addchair tibbs 15:19:08 <abadger1999> If we're all really here we have quorum. 15:19:20 <limburgher> i am 15:19:25 <tibbs> Sorry, I'm running really late today. 15:19:39 <abadger1999> #addchair rdieter 15:19:57 <rdieter> oh hello 15:20:06 <abadger1999> racor, SmootherFrOgZ: You guys around? 15:20:15 <abadger1999> We only have a few items that I see ready in trac. 15:20:15 <tibbs> Looks like I didn't miss anything. 15:20:46 <abadger1999> yeah, without spot, we spent a bit of time figuring out what to do :-) 15:20:58 <tibbs> If it's any of my stuff, I need to make sure it's set as not ready because I've barely had time to process SCM requests. 15:22:02 <racor> yep, ... lurking 15:22:36 <abadger1999> Well, that's five. 15:23:07 <abadger1999> #topic https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/85 15:23:38 <abadger1999> This is a small change to the systemd guidelines to add compat symlinks when changing the service name between sysvinit scripts and systemd unit files. 15:24:01 <limburgher> For things like httpd, named, etc? 15:24:11 <abadger1999> That way service httpd start would continue to work even though the srvice file is renamed to apache-httpd.service. 15:24:16 <limburgher> It looks reasonable. 15:24:16 <abadger1999> Correct. 15:24:29 <limburgher> How long do we keep the symlinks? 15:24:34 <tibbs> So systemd doesn't have any issues with having two names for one service? 15:25:14 <abadger1999> tibbs: according to notting, systemd will handle it fine. 15:26:38 <abadger1999> limburgher: I was going to leave how long up to maintainer discretion. 15:27:11 <limburgher> abadger1999: Reasonable. I would imagine at least one RHEL release, but I see no issue with forever. 15:27:44 <abadger1999> <nod> 15:28:55 <tibbs> I just tested it. 15:29:18 <tibbs> It appears to work OK; when you query the symlinked name, systemd just treats it as an alias. 15:29:40 <limburgher> Exactly like I would expect. Nice. 15:29:47 <tibbs> Well, not completely. 15:29:50 <tibbs> It must be a symlink. 15:29:58 <tibbs> hard links seem to confuse it. 15:30:03 <notting> tibbs: i think that's reasonable 15:30:18 <notting> (to document to use symlinks) 15:30:33 <tibbs> Yes, just making sure the draft is clear that symlinks must be used. 15:30:35 <tibbs> Which it is. 15:31:45 <tibbs> Anyway, this appears to be reasonable to me and in line with our general "follow upstream when whenever possible" rule. 15:32:03 <limburgher> tibbs: Even moreso than status quo. 15:33:40 <abadger1999> Shall we vote? 15:33:46 <limburgher> I think. 15:33:47 <tibbs> +1 15:33:51 <abadger1999> +1 15:34:14 <limburgher> +1 15:35:25 <abadger1999> rdieter, racor: have votes to cast? 15:35:31 <rdieter> +1 15:35:40 <rdieter> (sorry, I'll have to go afk for a bit) 15:35:48 <abadger1999> <nod> 15:36:14 <racor> -1 15:36:23 <racor> sorry typo: +1 15:36:40 <limburgher> That's like the worst possible typo in that context. :) 15:37:59 <geppetto> sorry I'm late … I guess +1 … although it might be nice to say something about the package name => unit name mapping? 15:38:03 <racor> yeah, I meant +1, but was using the keypad ... 15:38:41 <limburgher> geppetto: What do you have in mind? 15:39:08 <abadger1999> <nod> 15:39:38 <geppetto> Just it'd be nice to if you installed the package "foobar" and the service was called "foobar" and not "foobar-almost" or whatever 15:40:00 <limburgher> Should we make a matching symlink mandatory? 15:40:29 <limburgher> What about virtual provides? Like httpd, webserver? #spitballing 15:40:43 <limburgher> Probably messy. #nm 15:40:59 <geppetto> Having a "httpd" unit is just going to create a war over what it refers to 15:41:32 <abadger1999> yeah -- you'd need to use alternatives or something to control the virtual provides. 15:41:35 <limburgher> So would be then have to rename httpd to apache? 15:41:43 <limburgher> ick. 15:42:27 <abadger1999> I don't think we demand that the package name and service name match presently. 15:42:29 <geppetto> Well in the case of httpd, I don't mind them having a symlink to match the package name … but I thought we were supposed to have renamed the package like 10 years ago :) 15:42:49 <geppetto> abadger1999: we don't … but whenever they don't match I want to hurt someone :) 15:42:57 <abadger1999> :-) 15:43:02 <limburgher> <sigh> 15:43:09 <limburgher> I totally get that. Sadly. 15:43:35 <abadger1999> geppetto: How about we make a separate proposal to get that changed? I need to think about it more. 15:43:43 <geppetto> sure, no problem 15:43:49 <abadger1999> Cool. 15:43:57 <geppetto> as you said, it's no different than now 15:44:03 <limburgher> Good idea, there's nothing in this that precludes that later. 15:45:02 <abadger1999> #agreed systemd symlink compat passes (+1: +5, +0: 0, -1: 0) 15:45:14 <abadger1999> #topic Open Floor 15:45:23 <abadger1999> I don't see any more tickets that are ready. 15:45:33 <abadger1999> Anyone have anything else they want to discuss? 15:45:46 <abadger1999> or point to a ticket that I missed? 15:47:37 <tibbs> Nothing from me. 15:48:03 <abadger1999> Okay, I'll close the meeting in 60 15:48:35 <abadger1999> 30 15:48:58 <limburgher> No, but one OT item. 15:49:32 <limburgher> notting, tibbs: How to I get an invite to cvsadmin? I'm willing to pitch in, if that's feasible. 15:50:31 <tibbs> Honestly I don't know. 15:50:38 <tibbs> .members cvsadmin 15:50:38 * abadger1999 closes meeting and then goes on with the cvsadmin discussion 15:50:38 <zodbot> tibbs: Members of cvsadmin: ausil huzaifas @jkeating jwboyer kevin lmacken mikeb @mmcgrath @notting petersen spot tibbs toshio @wtogami 15:50:40 <abadger1999> #endmeeting