19:00:27 <rbergeron> #startmeeting Cloud SIG 19:00:27 <zodbot> Meeting started Fri May 27 19:00:27 2011 UTC. The chair is rbergeron. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:00:27 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:00:34 <rbergeron> #meetingname Cloud SIG 19:00:34 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'cloud_sig' 19:00:43 <rbergeron> #topic Who's here? 19:00:46 * clalance here 19:00:47 * rbergeron looks around 19:00:47 * rrix 19:00:50 <rbergeron> hey clalance :) 19:00:54 * jforbes is here 19:01:28 <rbergeron> word. 19:01:38 <rbergeron> gholms is tied up in work stuff. 19:01:39 * quaid is here 19:01:41 <rbergeron> hey quaid. 19:01:46 <quaid> howdy! 19:01:50 <rbergeron> I'll moooooooove on forward. 19:02:13 <rbergeron> #topic F15 over, F16 incoming 19:02:20 * rbergeron claps 19:02:24 <rbergeron> hooray! F15 out the door. 19:02:35 <rbergeron> And, well, yeah. F16 time. 19:02:51 <rbergeron> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Schedule 19:02:53 <rbergeron> Schedule is up. 19:03:02 <rbergeron> (Though probably nitpicky fixes incoming.) 19:03:20 <rbergeron> And that's a bout all i have to say about that. For the moment. :) 19:03:25 <rbergeron> #topic EC2 19:03:30 <rbergeron> #chair jforbes gholms 19:03:30 <zodbot> Current chairs: gholms jforbes rbergeron 19:03:36 <clalance> Ah yes. 19:03:39 <rbergeron> jforbes: what's shakin? 19:03:39 <clalance> I have a topic for this :). 19:03:48 <clalance> But I'll let jforbes give status first. 19:03:48 <rbergeron> #chair clalance 19:03:48 <zodbot> Current chairs: clalance gholms jforbes rbergeron 19:03:50 <jforbes> Things are moving along, there will be some new images up by the end of the day 19:04:46 <clalance> jforbes: Hopefully you saw BZ 708406? 19:04:50 <rbergeron> Exciting. And i assume they'll get updated on the wiki page and so forth? 19:05:07 <jforbes> So, the koji images take forever to build (about 9 hours for a full build/test) so as a stopgap, I am doing bg created images which we will publish as "unofficial" 19:05:17 <rbergeron> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=708406 19:05:50 <jforbes> clalance: we do it differently 19:05:56 <clalance> jforbes: Oh? 19:06:14 <jforbes> echo "hwcap 1 nosegneg" > /etc/ld.so.conf.d/libc6-xen.conf 19:06:22 <jforbes> in post for 32bit images 19:06:26 <clalance> jforbes: Right, but that is in your AMI build scripts, right? 19:06:33 <jforbes> clalance: correct 19:06:45 <clalance> jforbes: The problem is that that is not enabling it for 32-bit Xen on non-AMI. 19:06:52 <clalance> If you just do it in the kernel package, it will be right everywhere. 19:07:11 <clalance> My suggestion is to remove that hack from the AMI build scripts and add it to the kernel spec file instead. 19:07:28 <jforbes> clalance: sure, but how many people are running 32bit xen guests anymore outside of EC2? 19:07:36 <clalance> jforbes: I have no idea. 19:07:41 <clalance> But we may as well do it right :). 19:07:46 <clalance> It's not that much work, I don't think. 19:07:50 <clalance> A few lines in the kernel spec. 19:08:04 <jforbes> Sure, we can do that 19:08:42 <jforbes> I will poke kyle about it and see what he thinks 19:08:42 <rbergeron> does someone need to take ownership on the bz? 19:08:44 <rbergeron> ah 19:08:51 <clalance> jforbes: Perfect,t hanks. 19:08:54 <clalance> Thanks, even :). 19:09:07 <rbergeron> #action jforbes to poke kyle re BZ 708406 19:09:28 <jforbes> So, the bg created images will be public and publicised to an extent, just not as much as the final koji images will be. 19:09:36 <rbergeron> jforbes: do the koji images always take this long? 19:09:39 * rbergeron has no clue 19:09:41 <jforbes> rbergeron: yes 19:10:02 <rbergeron> so ideally we'd want to just kick them off at the same time as everything else as we're moving into release day 19:10:06 <jforbes> rbergeron: it takes koji a couple of hours to spin each image, then download 10G, bundle/upload/register/test 19:10:06 <rbergeron> and not afterwards 19:10:08 * rbergeron nods 19:10:10 <jforbes> rbergeron: correct 19:10:14 <rbergeron> okay. 19:10:42 <rbergeron> well, dgilmore is out, but let's see if we can get that fixed after he gets back. 19:10:49 <rbergeron> since this probably sucks for you. :) 19:11:07 <jforbes> The truth is, the bg created images will serve well enough as official images, but I want rel-eng to do koji images and push them for F15 so that we know we are on track for them doing that for F16 alpha/beta/release 19:11:21 <rbergeron> #action rbergeron to get dgilmore in here next week to figure out more official rel-eng process 19:11:25 * rbergeron nods 19:11:36 <jforbes> rbergeron: yes, it sucks considerably, but it has to be done 19:11:42 * rbergeron nods 19:12:07 <rbergeron> alrighty. We'll hang on to it for next week, and in the meantime, thank you, jforbes, as always :D 19:12:16 <jforbes> NP 19:12:40 <rbergeron> anyone else have ec2 comments/questions? 19:13:09 <rbergeron> #topic Packaging needs 19:13:10 <jforbes> (and since gholms isnt heare, yes, the bg spins include EBS images) 19:13:13 <rbergeron> lol 19:13:19 <rbergeron> #undo 19:13:19 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Topic object at 0x1bfd6d4c> 19:13:32 <rbergeron> #info the BG spins include EBS images (this note is for you, gholms) 19:13:40 <rbergeron> #topic Packaging Needs 19:14:03 <rbergeron> So: I don't know who saw my mail to the list about cleaning up the wiki page. 19:14:12 <rbergeron> But it's cleaned, or at least, cleanER. 19:14:31 <rbergeron> #info CLoud SIG page cleaned up, feel free to add more if you see fit. 19:14:33 * quaid heaps praise on rbergeron 19:14:35 <rbergeron> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cloud_SIG 19:15:04 <rbergeron> And we have a few folks working on packaging things, and thus it's probably convenient to have some of the information in one place. 19:15:21 <rbergeron> As you'll probably find that helping out with reviewing others' packages results sometimes in getting your own packages reviewed. ;) 19:15:27 <rbergeron> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cloud_SIG_packaging 19:15:40 <clalance> rbergeron: Ah, sweet. 19:15:46 <rbergeron> So, if you're working on packaging something, feel free to link it there. 19:15:48 <clalance> You just answered my question about how to track it :). 19:15:55 <rbergeron> clalance: i added in the link to aeolus. 19:15:59 <clalance> Yes, thanks. 19:16:04 <rbergeron> But if you want to just skip that and link straight to bz's on that page, or whatever, feel free. 19:16:14 <clalance> No, I actually prefer it this way. 19:16:15 <rbergeron> I expect you guys to figure out whatever works for you, I don't know what's best. 19:16:21 <clalance> That way I only have to update one place when status changes. 19:16:26 <rbergeron> Yup. 19:16:35 <rbergeron> But this is a nice place to go and look for review swaps, etc, also. 19:16:41 <clalance> Right! 19:16:47 <rbergeron> #info Packaging list - nice place to go look for review swaps, etc. 19:17:13 <rbergeron> Anyway: If you're not on that list, and you know of packages needing love, feel free to add them. 19:17:23 <rbergeron> They don't even have to be your own, just cloud-related. :) 19:17:42 <rbergeron> Any questions? :) 19:17:54 <rbergeron> Okee dokee. 19:17:58 <rbergeron> #topic CloudFS 19:18:05 <rbergeron> Mr. Darcy: You're just in time. 19:18:33 <jdarcy> :) 19:18:46 <jdarcy> Well, let's see. I think I mentioned the SSL transport last time. 19:18:59 <rbergeron> Yup. 19:19:01 <jdarcy> It's still chugging through review, Gluster has said they're willing to support it. 19:19:10 <rbergeron> cool. :) 19:19:31 <jdarcy> I've prototyped some performance enhancements (multi-threading the transport module) and they seem to improve things ~2x 19:19:49 <jdarcy> Kaleb is chugging away on the UID-mapping stuff. 19:20:05 <jdarcy> That's really kind of it. Trying to measure encryption overhead right now. 19:20:22 <jdarcy> And yes, I know I need to do the feature stuff. ;) 19:20:30 <rbergeron> jdarcy: so you are planning on it then :) 19:20:39 <quaid> I've got a cloudfs prod ... 19:20:43 <jdarcy> Yes. I think this time we'll be ready well ahead of any deadline. 19:20:44 <quaid> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CloudFS 19:20:55 <quaid> that page has some new how-to-contribute content 19:21:04 <jdarcy> Cool. 19:21:04 <quaid> and I wanted to prod you about adding the content or a link from cloudfs.org 19:21:12 <jdarcy> Will do. 19:21:12 <rbergeron> quaid: cool, thanks ;) 19:21:13 <quaid> since currently it's a bit unclear how to participate 19:21:16 <quaid> word! 19:21:36 <rbergeron> quaid: do you want to maybe add the link to the cloudFS wiki page (which is different from the feature page) to the list on the Cloud SIG wiki page? :) 19:21:50 * rbergeron didn't know that openshift uses cloudFS 19:22:12 <rbergeron> I learn something new every day. 19:22:15 <quaid> rbergeron: will do, thx for the idea 19:22:17 <rbergeron> Exciting. 19:22:34 <rbergeron> #action quaid to link CloudFS wiki and .org pgs to the Cloud SIG wiki page 19:22:35 <quaid> rbergeron: I went almost 2 months not getting that iwhd == Image Warehouse 19:23:04 <rbergeron> jdarcy: thanks. I'll see your feature when it moves into FeatureReadyForWrangler and I'll send it fesco's way. ;) 19:23:34 <rbergeron> #topic Aeolus 19:23:41 <rbergeron> clalance, mmorsi: HI 19:24:00 <clalance> Hello :) 19:24:03 <rbergeron> #link http://aeolusproject.org/page/Packages_Missing_From_Fedora 19:25:00 <rbergeron> So I see you guys already have a feature page ready, that I will be sending to fesco this weekend for their meeting next week. 19:25:03 <rbergeron> Thank you! 19:25:07 <clalance> rbergeron: You are welcome :). 19:25:16 <rbergeron> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Aeolus_Conductor 19:25:33 <rbergeron> #info Aeolus for F16 feature page is posted. 19:26:20 <clalance> rbergeron: Other than that.... 19:26:21 <rbergeron> so... how many other people who aren't in this meeting / don't come to this meeting are working on packaging this stuff? 19:26:41 <clalance> rbergeron: A few of the other developers on aeolus do packaging. 19:26:48 <clalance> (mostly because I prodded them to :) 19:26:58 <rbergeron> I guess maybe a better question is, Who is maintaining the Package List on the aeolus site vs. the packaging list on on the feature page? 19:27:06 <clalance> And a number of the packages we depend on are useful in the ruby ecosystem. 19:27:11 * rbergeron nods 19:27:13 <clalance> (so we've gotten contributions from there) 19:27:22 <clalance> rbergeron: Well, that would be me for both ;). 19:27:35 <clalance> rbergeron: Actually, maybe I'll replace the list of packages on the feature page with a link to the aeolus wiki. 19:27:38 <clalance> rbergeron: Is that acceptable? 19:27:53 <rbergeron> Sure. 19:27:59 <clalance> OK, I'll do that. 19:28:03 <rbergeron> So long as you're keeping your overall % up to date on the feature page, that's fine with me. 19:28:03 <clalance> Then it will really only be one place. 19:28:07 <clalance> Right. 19:28:17 <rbergeron> Yeah. It just becomes terribly redundant/tedious for you. 19:28:21 <clalance> Yep. 19:28:45 <quaid> a question about Aeolus from a higher level - since you have a dedicated community-focused person now, do you have plans or ideas to use F16 as a vehicle for usage, participation, and contribution growth? If so, should we start coordinating that *now*? 19:29:01 <quaid> i.e., via this SIG :) 19:29:03 <clalance> quaid: I'm honestly not sure what the plan is. 19:29:10 <clalance> quaid: I mean, obviously, yes, we would like to do that. 19:29:14 <clalance> But I am a lowly engineer :). 19:29:17 <rbergeron> quaid: I think clalance is hoping ot just get it all in at this point 19:29:31 <clalance> Yeah, if we get that I'll be pretty happy. 19:29:48 <clalance> quaid: You might want to contact jclift@redhat.com and CC the list 19:29:52 <clalance> To get his take on it. 19:30:04 * rbergeron nods 19:30:08 <quaid> roger 19:30:42 <quaid> thx 19:30:53 <rbergeron> Cool. 19:31:40 <rbergeron> Alrighty. 19:31:53 <clalance> Other than that, we are going to be finishing another iteration in a couple of weeks. 19:31:56 <clalance> And then we'll put out 0.3.0. 19:32:03 <clalance> That will probably be what I'll try to get into F-16. 19:32:04 <rbergeron> sweet. 19:32:06 * rbergeron nods 19:32:09 <clalance> Though I might try to sneak 0.4.0 in as well. 19:32:15 <rbergeron> so right now it's more dependencies as well that you're getting in? 19:32:19 <rbergeron> things you know aren't really going to change? 19:32:28 <clalance> Yeah, that's what I'd like to do in the very short term. 19:32:55 <rbergeron> good to know. Thanks :) 19:33:37 * rbergeron wishes you guys luck, and remember to YELL FOR HELP if you need it. (that goes for you too, jdarcy) 19:34:00 <clalance> rbergeron: Thanks. 19:34:06 <rbergeron> :) 19:34:09 <rbergeron> #topic Sheepdog 19:34:18 * rbergeron looks around for a ke4qqq or an sdake 19:34:33 <rbergeron> okay. well, the long and short of it is: 19:34:48 <rbergeron> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Sheepdog 19:34:53 <rbergeron> #info Sheepdog feature page is in progress 19:35:09 <rbergeron> I think the package has already made its way through review and so forth. 19:35:29 <rbergeron> ke4qqq made a few bz's for sdake to get some stuff in upstream with the sheepdog folks, AIUI. 19:35:39 <rbergeron> And I think that's about it there. 19:35:49 <rbergeron> thanks to both of them. 19:35:54 * rbergeron throws a rock at sdake from across the house 19:36:19 <rbergeron> And I suppose if anyone has any questions, feel free to mail them to the list, since neither of them are present at the moment. :) 19:36:38 <rbergeron> Or you can yell them now, and they can see them in the logs. 19:36:41 * rbergeron holds for a momento 19:37:38 <rbergeron> Okay. MOVING ON 19:37:41 <rbergeron> #topic OpenStack 19:38:21 <rbergeron> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cloud_SIG/OpenStack 19:38:33 <rbergeron> So - there are a couple of random open BZ's relating to OpenStack. 19:38:39 <rbergeron> FWIU, it's fairly close to being packaged. 19:39:00 <rbergeron> There was a package posted to the cloud sig mailing list last week which is an easy-thing-to-do, if anyone's interested. 19:39:05 <rbergeron> Perhaps rrix. :) 19:39:09 <rrix> Yup 19:39:13 <rrix> I'll take care of it :) 19:39:15 <quaid> btw, wiki note - the Page/Nesting is not the best way to organize on the wiki 19:39:17 <rbergeron> Otherwise, I think we need to sort out openstack stuff a bit, so we can get it in. 19:39:22 <rbergeron> Because it's SUPER CLOSE 19:39:38 <quaid> so Cloud_SIG/OpenStack should be [[OpenStack]] and put itinthe [[Category:Cloud sIG]] 19:39:46 <rbergeron> Um, sure. 19:39:52 <rbergeron> I know you're better at the wikigardening than i am. ;) 19:40:00 <rbergeron> Feel free to use your redirecting magic. 19:40:07 * rbergeron salutes quaid's magic skillz 19:40:35 <rbergeron> And that's all I have there. 19:40:45 <rbergeron> If someone wants to take that on and turn it into a feature, we can do that. 19:40:55 <rbergeron> ke4qqq is getting it updated, i think, to at least more recent versions. 19:40:59 <rbergeron> because what we have is a few iterations old. 19:41:44 <rbergeron> anyway. 19:41:47 <rbergeron> #topic Open Floor 19:41:55 <rbergeron> Speak up, quiet people. :) 19:43:04 <rbergeron> ohh. 19:43:13 * rrix speaks up 19:43:14 * clalance hears the crickets 19:43:39 <rbergeron> clalance: so sdake told me that he's planning on packaging pacemaker-cloud-HA or whatever it is, and putting it in as a feature. 19:43:45 <jforbes> People fall through open floors 19:43:50 <clalance> rbergeron: Ah, cool. 19:43:53 <rbergeron> And I guess it may possibly have some dependency on oz? 19:43:54 <rbergeron> Not sure. 19:43:58 <quaid> Tip to all: put [[Category:Cloud SIG]] on ALL cloud wiki pages 19:43:58 <clalance> rbergeron: Not sure about that. 19:44:04 <rbergeron> I should use my flogger to make him come to these meetings. 19:44:05 <clalance> I didn't think so, but I haven't been following it closely. 19:44:10 <rbergeron> Yeah, i don't know. 19:44:19 <rbergeron> I think matahari may be coming as well, but we'll see. 19:44:23 <clalance> rbergeron: Speaking of oz, I am going to put out version 0.4.0 next. 19:44:27 <clalance> next week, even. 19:44:46 <rbergeron> I'm hoping that all the free press that marek got gives people a bit of motivation. :) 19:44:55 <clalance> There are a few new features, support for more OSs, etc. 19:45:02 <clalance> Oh, and support for F-15 :). 19:45:18 * rbergeron grins 19:46:07 <rbergeron> Alrighty. 19:46:10 <rbergeron> Anyone have anything else? 19:46:34 <rbergeron> Well then. 19:46:50 <rbergeron> Enjoy the long weekend if you're in the US. Eat a beefy miracle if you have the opportunity :) 19:46:56 * rbergeron is so frankful that you all came today. 19:47:01 <clalance> rbergeron: Thanks. 19:47:04 <rbergeron> <pause for groans> 19:47:10 <clalance> I'm going to leave before I throw up. 19:47:10 <clalance> ;) 19:47:13 <rbergeron> lol 19:47:18 <rbergeron> thanks, guys! 19:47:21 <rbergeron> #endmeeting