14:03:52 <liknus> #startmeeting FAmSCo 2011-06-11
14:03:52 <zodbot> Meeting started Sat Jun 11 14:03:52 2011 UTC.  The chair is liknus. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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14:03:59 <liknus> #topic RollCall
14:04:07 <igorps> .fas igorps
14:04:07 <zodbot> igorps: igor 'Igor Pires Soares' <igor@projetofedora.org>
14:04:08 <gbraad> .fas gbraad
14:04:11 <zodbot> gbraad: gbraad 'Gerard Braad (吉拉德)' <fedora@gbraad.nl>
14:04:12 <yn1v> .fas yn1v
14:04:14 <mether> .fas mether
14:04:15 <zodbot> yn1v: yn1v 'Neville A. Cross' <neville@taygon.com>
14:04:19 <zodbot> mether: nigel '' <nigel@metheringham.net> - sundaram 'Rahul Sundaram' <metherid@gmail.com>
14:04:23 <liknus> Hello everyone and thanks for coming on today's famsco meeting
14:04:23 <liknus> #meetingname famsco
14:04:23 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famsco'
14:04:29 <liknus> .fas ppapadeas
14:04:30 <zodbot> liknus: ppapadeas 'Papadeas Pierros' <ppapadeas@gmail.com>
14:05:00 <liknus> #topic Agenda
14:05:18 <liknus> Today's agenda can be found here:
14:05:19 <liknus> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_agenda
14:05:41 <liknus> #topic APAC FUDCon
14:05:46 <liknus> any news on that gbraad ?
14:06:09 <gbraad> not directly from my side as I have been busy with other topics.
14:06:27 <gbraad> However, draft proposal will be written and hopefully finished before the end of this month
14:06:38 <jsmith> I know that the Beijing office of Red Hat has expressed some interest in helping to do a FUDCon in China
14:06:51 <liknus> that sounds great jsmith
14:06:55 <mether> jsmith, this year?
14:07:02 <jsmith> mether: Yes
14:07:03 <liknus> so we are going to have a head to head between India and China?
14:07:13 <jsmith> liknus: Most likely, yes
14:07:13 <gbraad> jsmith yes, I have been in contact with Frank Feldmann too to see if JUDcon co-op would be possible.
14:07:20 <gbraad> no decisive answer on this yet
14:07:21 <liknus> jsmith: when is the deadline for applications?
14:07:29 <jsmith> liknus: June 23
14:07:59 <liknus> gbraad: mether I think it will make sense to send an email to local Ambassadors to mobilize them for helping out with FUDCon planning
14:08:00 <jsmith> And then I'll make my decision on the location (taking input, as always, from the community)
14:08:10 <liknus> even if it is a bidding process they can definitely help
14:08:34 <mether> liknus, I have done that.  see the wiki.  I have a organizing team in place as well
14:08:34 <gbraad> liknus, correct. especially for China this is needed
14:08:43 <liknus> thanks mether :)
14:08:46 <igorps> it is also good to create the bid wiki page ASAP, since the deadline is near
14:09:04 * gbraad had forgotten how close the deadline was :-S
14:09:04 <liknus> #action gbraad sends an email to mobilize China ambassadors for the FUDCon bid
14:09:10 <mether> liknus, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:India_2011#Organizers
14:09:14 <liknus> ok anything else on that?
14:09:17 <liknus> mether: nice job!
14:09:20 <gbraad> no
14:10:08 <mether> liknus, thanks
14:10:19 <liknus> ok moving on:
14:10:41 <liknus> #topic Release Team Dinners
14:10:50 <liknus> I sent out the email yesterday
14:10:57 * tatica just reads and say hi to everyone :)
14:10:58 <liknus> as we agreed
14:11:04 * liknus waves back :)
14:11:20 <igorps> we are going to have a dinner at FISL
14:11:42 <igorps> Probably with Stormy Peter as a special guest :)
14:11:49 <liknus> I think that this reward will mobilize more teams and make sure that we have the appropriate reviews back
14:11:51 <mether> that's nice
14:11:56 <liknus> (reports posts etc)
14:12:13 <liknus> igorps: Stormy will be there? great :)
14:12:47 <igorps> liknus: she will! She was invited to speak as well as jsmith.
14:12:50 <liknus> any feedback for the release team dinners?
14:13:08 <liknus> igorps: great! make some great use of Jared :P
14:13:33 <jsmith> That's right -- put me to work and wear me out!  That's what FPLs are for!
14:13:44 <liknus> make him help you with everything :) he was pretty helpful on FOSDEM :P
14:13:54 <igorps> :)
14:14:05 <igorps> He will learn some Portuguese
14:14:13 <liknus> #topic Swag wranglers
14:14:14 <igorps> For FISL we are going to use the event budget for the dinner
14:14:25 <liknus> igorps: ok no prob for that
14:14:32 <liknus> now on Swag wranglers
14:14:42 <liknus> I am still not finished with the draft
14:15:09 <liknus> now that we have the new community credit cards in place it will be a different slightly process
14:15:19 <liknus> hopefully I should finish that next week
14:15:37 <liknus> #action liknus finalizes Swag Wranglers proposal
14:15:44 <liknus> anything more on that>
14:15:46 <liknus> ?
14:16:00 <liknus> ok cool moving on:
14:16:01 <igorps> Fortunately this will speedup things a bit
14:16:09 <liknus> #topic Events page
14:16:13 <liknus> we have progress!
14:16:36 <liknus> thanks to nirik and ricky we are now looking into having mediawiki updated within the week
14:16:37 <liknus> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2563
14:16:50 <liknus> after that we work out the CSS prob and start reforming the Events page
14:16:51 <nirik> liknus: Sorry again for the delay here...
14:16:51 <liknus> :)
14:17:04 <igorps> This is great news
14:17:07 <liknus> nirik: all that matters is that finally we will have it :)
14:17:13 <yn1v> +1
14:17:32 * gbraad is busy setting up an event page
14:17:33 <igorps> long waited update, good to know it's moving forward
14:17:49 <liknus> also we just discussed about the possibility of having Semantic MediaWiki installed in our wiki to ease the creation and displaying of the Events
14:18:20 <liknus> especially if we bind it with Semantic MediaWiki Forms
14:18:25 <liknus> (so we can have forms on the wiki)
14:18:56 <liknus> I have great experience on that and we can deploy that easily after the extensions installation
14:19:09 * yn1v likes forms
14:19:14 <liknus> nirik and I will work together for that
14:19:20 <liknus> nirik: ? :)
14:19:29 <igorps> Someone mentored by Nushio is developing some similar for the Fedora Summer of Code
14:19:41 <nirik> sure. I'm not sure off hand how hard that will be... but we can look at it and try and get it implemented for you guys.
14:19:41 <igorps> We should take a look on that
14:20:07 <liknus> igorps: please send any info and links on the list
14:20:11 <liknus> thanks nirik :)
14:20:12 <nirik> Thats possibly with the insight project: http://insight.fedoraproject.org/
14:20:26 <yn1v> I will write to nushio to find out how that is going
14:20:31 <igorps> liknus: ok, will take a look on that
14:20:36 <liknus> ok cool
14:20:37 <tatica> !
14:20:40 <rbergeron> insight posts all it's info on the logistics list
14:20:43 <liknus> tatica:  :)
14:20:45 <rbergeron> would probably be hte best place to ask.
14:20:52 <rbergeron> s/it's/its
14:20:55 * nirik nods.
14:20:57 <mether> is there a agenda for insight
14:21:01 <mether> it looks rather empty
14:21:13 <tatica> nushio and hiemanshu are working on a complete events project and we are pushing to have some updates to august (in time for Fudcon emea)
14:21:26 <nirik> mether: yeah, see logistics list. They are working on a number of projects around it. It's a drupal instance.
14:21:32 <mether> nirik, ok
14:21:38 <liknus> oh thats great :) is it going to be not connected with the wiki?
14:21:44 <yn1v> tatica, thanks for the update
14:21:45 <tatica> rbergeron, morning :D
14:22:02 <rbergeron> no, it's intended to be a separate news/marketing portal.
14:22:09 <rbergeron> once up and running.
14:22:13 <rbergeron> mostly used for news at the moment.
14:22:20 <liknus> oh .. then it might not help us a lot
14:22:20 <rbergeron> feel free to join the list and come to meetings :)
14:22:30 <rbergeron> well, it uses drupal
14:22:31 <liknus> will try to do :) thanks rbergeron !
14:22:36 <rbergeron> and we can use the calendaring function
14:22:40 <rbergeron> for ourselves to know where we are
14:22:44 <rbergeron> and to let others know where fedora will be.
14:23:49 <liknus> imho well structured wiki can also do they same thing.. or possibly I am missing something :)
14:23:49 <yn1v> to know where fedora will be ... I like that!
14:23:50 <mether> there is a calendaring effort associated with this?  sorry, haven't been reading logistics list
14:24:13 <mether> liknus, cant subscribe to a wiki calendar
14:24:20 <mether> cant send reminders etc
14:24:24 <igorps> sounds like nice features to improve communication
14:24:27 <liknus> mether: it produces ics :)(
14:24:55 <mether> liknus, dedicated solution is just better
14:24:57 <liknus> but yeah, i agree that we should look into it :)
14:25:26 <liknus> I am just afraid of not having editable pages for the events
14:25:26 <yn1v> imho there are several tools for that, the thing has been that was long needed and now we have different options ... insight, wiki (updated), nushio's calendar ...
14:25:33 <nirik> they are just gathering requirements/ideas for calendar... so now's a great time to join in.
14:26:15 <igorps> yn1v: That is right. We need to take care to avoid fragmentation.
14:26:17 <liknus> #action famsco members should subscribe to logistics and provide their feedback
14:26:30 <liknus> yn1v: +1
14:27:14 <tatica> goal should be to integrate all the tools that are being developed
14:27:16 <liknus> ok anything more on that for now?
14:27:25 <yn1v> igorps, when you said fragmentation you made me scare ... we should look on the different options to help integration
14:27:25 <liknus> tatica: for sure!
14:28:03 <igorps> yn1v: That is what I meant :)
14:28:35 <liknus> we will follow up with this closely
14:28:53 <liknus> #topic Town Halls
14:29:10 <liknus> we are well behind schedule for those
14:29:16 <liknus> igorps: any update?
14:29:28 <igorps> I think yn1v was the one taking care of the Town Hall schedule
14:29:42 <igorps> yn1v: how is the whenisgood thing going?
14:30:15 <yn1v> bad... low repsonse.
14:30:20 <liknus> can we help anyhow?
14:30:30 <liknus> another ambassador's wide mail?
14:30:44 <yn1v> last meeting we talk about making our own schedule, and run the town halls
14:31:06 <yn1v> then we will have feed back for the nexts tonws halls
14:31:13 <liknus> yn1v: ok lets go for that!
14:31:27 <igorps> we can push our own times
14:31:30 <liknus> can we have them really quickly? next week probably?
14:31:43 * gbraad created an initial page on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:China_2011 and pushed a message out.
14:32:33 <igorps> gbraad: make sure to follow the BID template:
14:32:36 <yn1v> probably we should schedule two town halls at different times
14:32:43 <igorps> gbraad: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon_bid_process
14:33:01 <liknus> yn1v: yeah
14:33:23 <liknus> 12am and 12pm UTC work out well
14:33:26 <yn1v> I can host one, we need some one in apac or emea to host another
14:33:36 <liknus> i will host the other one
14:34:09 <liknus> remember: the scope of them is to gather feedback and have Q&A sessions with Ambassadors
14:34:22 <liknus> yn1v: can you send out the mails for them?
14:34:41 <liknus> next Saturday possibly? or Sunday?
14:34:43 <igorps> 12am and 12pm on the same day?
14:35:06 <yn1v> I would like saturday best
14:35:15 <igorps> +1
14:36:21 <liknus> what about Monday or Tuesday? (people might need the Weekend off)
14:36:49 <liknus> 20th or 21st of June
14:36:51 <yn1v> for me will be monday or Wednesday
14:37:59 <liknus> Everyone ok with Monday?
14:38:08 <igorps> Those days would work best for me as well
14:38:15 <igorps> Monday +1
14:38:30 <liknus> +1 for me
14:38:36 <liknus> mether: yn1v gbraad ?
14:38:40 <yn1v> Monday +1
14:38:46 <mether> either day is fine by me
14:38:59 <liknus> ok great
14:39:07 <mether> weekdays are better
14:39:25 * gbraad sorry, I am too distracted
14:39:28 <gbraad> :-s
14:39:33 <liknus> #agreed Monday 20th of June 12am and 12pm UTC next Town Halls
14:39:55 <liknus> #action yn1v sends out notifications about next townhalls
14:39:56 <liknus> ok everyone?
14:40:01 <mether> yes
14:40:05 <igorps> +1
14:40:56 <liknus> ok moving on:
14:41:09 <liknus> #topic Survey
14:41:14 <liknus> igorps: any update?
14:41:18 <igorps> I sent a mail reminder to the Ambassadors mailing list
14:41:25 <igorps> I hope it took some effect
14:41:40 <liknus> what number we have now?
14:41:59 <yn1v> let me check ...
14:42:02 <igorps> Probably we will need to send one more reminder before it closes
14:42:08 <liknus> igorps: agreed
14:42:14 <liknus> please do that next week
14:42:22 <liknus> (I will remind you next meeting :) )
14:42:36 <igorps> liknus: ok, thanks!
14:42:56 <yn1v> I don't have it handy :(
14:43:02 <igorps> good to be remind of sending a reminder :)
14:43:23 <liknus> yn1v: update us on the mailing list
14:43:23 <yn1v> I will make a blog post with some data as it is today to spark interest
14:43:33 <liknus> great
14:43:40 <igorps> yn1v: that would help as well
14:43:46 <liknus> #action yn1v blogs about Survey so far
14:43:48 <yn1v> insert some pie charts, so people will look at them.
14:44:09 <liknus> please make sure you emphasize it is ongoing :)
14:44:15 <liknus> ok so moving on:
14:44:28 <yn1v> liknus,  sure
14:44:33 <liknus> #topic Schedule
14:44:51 <liknus> we *need* to sit down and assess our performance on that
14:45:08 <liknus> rbergeron: what is the status of F16 schedule?
14:45:18 <liknus> can we make some modifications on our side still?
14:46:23 <liknus> ok I will send out an email for that
14:46:38 <liknus> #action liknus requests schedule update from rbergeron  :)
14:46:50 <liknus> moving on:
14:47:07 <liknus> #topic Open Tickets
14:47:16 <liknus> any specific on tickets people?
14:47:19 <liknus> any help needed?
14:47:27 <liknus> last week we moved many forward
14:47:32 <liknus> and we are in a good shape
14:47:46 <igorps> We have a new request from the RPMDEV team
14:47:49 <yn1v> I got the community credit card
14:47:49 <igorps> #link https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/193
14:48:04 <liknus> btw kital has started a draft on how we deal with credit cards
14:48:32 <igorps> yn1v: do you think we are already able to use the cards for FISL?
14:48:46 <liknus> in a nutshell we will do what we do now and those cards will take the position of spevack up to a point
14:48:51 <yn1v> I am not sure about that request form antonio, it only said polos shirts for rpmdev and it is a lot of money
14:49:12 <liknus> also we will have the card holders approving small logical expenses automatically
14:49:38 <yn1v> igorps, I can help FISL is there things that I can pay from here, or reimburse to someone
14:49:47 <liknus> kital: will finalize it and I will help him so we can publish it
14:49:54 <igorps> yn1v: Hotels and airfare have been not purchased yet
14:50:10 <igorps> if you can do that will help us a lot
14:50:25 <liknus> be advised people for ammounts over 100 USD they should go through tickets
14:50:36 <liknus> (at least for now)
14:50:39 <igorps> yn1v: jsmith credit card is full with FUDCon Panama purchases
14:50:58 <yn1v> I think airfares are easy, not sure about hotels...
14:51:15 * jsmith can take care of hotel in person in Porto Alegre
14:51:21 <tatica> CC are not a complete solution, but are a start
14:51:30 <jsmith> tatica: +1
14:51:37 <liknus> for sure
14:52:06 <igorps> yn1v: I'll send you the airfare information after the meeting then
14:52:16 <yn1v> sure
14:52:27 <liknus> igorps: please make sure to document them thought our trac
14:52:38 <liknus> anything more on open tickets?
14:52:55 <liknus> RPM DEV I cannot find a wiki page for it
14:52:57 <liknus> :S
14:53:04 <igorps> liknus: no problem, information is already there, and I will update the after the purchases
14:53:29 <igorps> liknus: that is a local project for packaging led by gomix
14:54:05 <yn1v> yes, and that makes me wonder why this not a ticket by gomix
14:54:05 <liknus> yeap but we cannot fund something without a page and a plan about reporting back
14:55:00 <igorps> #link http://rpmdev.proyectofedora.org/
14:55:32 <gbraad> igorps, thanks. have changed the page structure.
14:56:07 <igorps> That is a lot of money for T-shirts, maybe we should ask them to split the costs with future requests
14:56:09 <liknus> igorps: this is not on our infra :( and not on the wiki as I can see
14:56:49 <igorps> liknus: unfortunately the site got a time out
14:57:06 <igorps> so we should update the ticket for more information
14:57:21 <liknus> igorps: we will not fund something with no wiki page and clear on fedora participation and reporting guidelines
14:57:38 <liknus> I will update the ticket
14:58:18 <igorps> liknus: I'm sure that gomix and Antonio will provide all the information needed
14:58:29 <liknus> great :)
14:58:34 <tatica> what if some other print is contacted?
14:58:39 <liknus> ok updated: https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/193#comment:2
14:58:53 <igorps> I'm not just not sure if we can fund them in that amounts
14:58:55 <tatica> can you ask them to check more quotes?
14:59:32 <yn1v> I still wonder why this is not gomix's ticket
14:59:35 <igorps> as an update, the other request from them was already paid
14:59:35 <liknus> tatica: yeap it makes sense
14:59:47 <liknus> yeap
15:00:10 <liknus> I take responsibility of letting it slip
15:00:41 <yn1v> It is a new ticket, no se a big problem on wait for more input
15:00:49 <igorps> +1
15:00:50 <yn1v> s /se /see
15:01:41 <igorps> I got stuck with ticket #178
15:01:47 <igorps> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/178
15:01:58 <liknus> that was a mistake to fund the original one without proper event reporting
15:01:59 <igorps> That one is about medias for FISL
15:02:10 <liknus> no such thing will happen again
15:02:19 * liknus is still confused how this happened
15:02:52 <igorps> liknus: the t-shirts were distributed to folks on FUDCon Panamá
15:03:07 <liknus> igorps: ok great to know
15:03:13 <igorps> I think we should ask Gomix to report it better this time anyway
15:03:17 <liknus> on #178 we need to contact spevack
15:03:26 <liknus> can you send him an email igorps ?
15:03:39 <liknus> with URGENT on subject ? :)
15:03:51 <igorps> I sent an email to him and jsmith
15:04:06 <igorps> Maybe jsmith can bring currency for reimbursement
15:04:15 <liknus> jsmith: on that?
15:04:15 <jsmith> igorps: I'll ping Max about it here at the conference we're at
15:04:25 <igorps> although not ideal could work
15:04:32 <jsmith> igorps: I'll see what I can do
15:04:32 <igorps> jsmith: ok, thank!
15:04:47 <yn1v> it is a lot of money for an individual pay upfront
15:04:50 * jsmith had to had out a couple thousand dollars of his own money at FUDCon Panama in cash reimbursements, which was painful
15:04:59 <jsmith> But we'll make something work
15:05:00 <igorps> jsmith: you can bring media or usb sticks as well
15:05:01 <liknus> ouch
15:05:09 <liknus> jsmith: thanks!
15:05:50 <liknus> ok :
15:05:58 <liknus> #topic Open Floor
15:06:11 <liknus> will close the meeting if nothing is added :)
15:06:20 <liknus> Thanks all for participating today!
15:06:28 <gbraad> have been busy with creating a bid page for FUDCon China
15:06:34 <igorps> Folks, the May report draft is on the wiki now
15:06:40 <liknus> and our guest stars : jsmith rbergeron nirik tatica :)
15:06:41 <igorps> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_report_2011-05
15:06:44 <jsmith> igorps: I won't have media, but I may bring a few USB sticks
15:06:50 <gbraad> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:China_2011
15:06:57 <liknus> thanks igorps !
15:07:03 * tatica send some cookies to everyone
15:07:07 <gbraad> will fill this with information over the coming days
15:07:16 <liknus> tatica: mmm yummy!
15:07:23 <igorps> jsmith: that would work for us! :)
15:07:24 <liknus> yum install cookie :)
15:07:40 <liknus> 30 secs
15:07:45 <tatica> lol
15:08:10 <liknus> #endmeeting