23:00:21 <sparks> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
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23:00:24 <sparks> #meetingname Fedora Docs
23:00:24 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_docs'
23:00:30 <sparks> #topic Roll Call
23:00:38 * rudi is here
23:00:40 * jjmcd 
23:00:45 * jhradilek <---
23:00:55 * suehle .
23:01:25 <fnadge> me to
23:02:31 <sparks> jjmcd: I don't see an item that I was supposed to do...
23:02:32 * sgordon is here
23:02:44 <jjmcd> Goals for FAD @ OLF (10 min) - Sparks
23:03:00 <sparks> Oh...  hmmm
23:03:25 <jjmcd> I thought we should discuss that here since there seemed to be interest
23:03:33 <sparks> Sure thing!
23:03:37 <jjmcd> Not that I thought you had a plan already
23:03:41 * sparks is cooking supper so...
23:03:57 <sparks> Okay, lets get started shall we?
23:04:04 * jjmcd is digesting some dead cow
23:04:20 <sparks> #topic Follow up on last week's action items
23:04:37 <jjmcd> OK, I confess - no progress on either of my items
23:04:45 <jjmcd> but I do still intend to cover both
23:04:45 <sparks> jjmcd: You have the first item...  jjmcd to check with dgrift on Ubuntu migration / policycoreutils
23:05:16 <sparks> Okay
23:05:27 <sparks> #action jjmcd to check with dgrift on Ubuntu migration / policycoreutils
23:05:55 <sparks> rudi: did you get any work done on the non-Latan character issue?
23:06:13 <rudi> sparks -- no; didn't get to it. I blame FOP
23:06:20 <sparks> heh
23:06:30 <sparks> #action jjmcd and rudi to continue to follow up on non-Latin characters in web
23:06:34 <rudi> Although, I have a horrible hack in place that's got that working for the moment, so I should get to it this week
23:06:56 <sparks> rudi: So are we calling it a victory or just a small win?
23:07:07 <rudi> I'm calling it a band-aid :(
23:07:15 <sparks> rudi: So I should still blog about it?
23:07:23 <rudi> yes please!
23:07:36 * sparks was a total slacker and failed to do that last week
23:07:42 <rudi> It's such a bad solution that I don't know if I can push the package in good conscience ;)
23:07:46 <sparks> #action rudi to continue to follow up on FOP issue
23:07:58 <sparks> #action sparks to blog for help with FOP
23:08:27 <sparks> #info rudi made some progress with a band-aid for FOP but doesn't like the fix.
23:08:48 <sparks> sgordon: I have you down for working on the AmazonEC2 chapter in the Cloud Guide
23:08:57 <sgordon> that's correct
23:09:04 <sgordon> hoping to flesh out a plan this w/e
23:09:11 <rudi> The build if here, if anyone wants to play with it: https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=249461
23:09:36 <rbergeron> sgordon: thanks for that! :)
23:09:39 <sparks> #link https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=249461
23:10:05 <sparks> sgordon: Okay.  I started messing with it earlier this week.  Will try to finish my thought and let it be.
23:10:20 <rudi> #info special thanks to sgordon for FOP assistance this week too
23:10:38 <sparks> #action sgordon to work on the AmazonEC2 chapter of the Cloud Guide
23:10:42 <sgordon> no worries sparks
23:11:01 <sparks> #info sparks is publishing the draft version of the Cloud Guide to docs.fp.o every Monday
23:11:13 <sparks> sgordon: Yeah, I need to get cracking on some chapters myself!
23:11:34 * sgordon git pulls
23:12:12 <sparks> jwulf: Just in time!
23:12:29 <jwulf> oh, the meeting starts at 9am our time
23:12:53 <sparks> jwulf: I have you down for working on the UG...  How about we talk about that more during the guide portion of the meeting.  Okay?
23:13:30 <sparks> Okay...  anything else for last week's items?
23:13:55 <jwulf> sure
23:14:08 <sparks> Okay, moving along.
23:14:15 <sparks> #topic Publican/pdf - Build system status
23:14:23 <sparks> nb and rudi have this one.  Any updates?
23:15:38 <jjmcd> If I recall, the blocker was the non-Latin issue, but once we get that resolved, I didn't want to forget it
23:16:14 <sparks> okay...  so keep it on the agenda for next time?
23:16:24 <rudi> Yeah; keep it till we figure that out please
23:16:28 <jjmcd> yeah
23:16:35 <rudi> And we kinda covered FOP ;)
23:16:44 <sparks> Okay...  moving on
23:16:50 <rudi> Oh -- han gon
23:16:50 <sgordon> fop bad, fop no worky
23:16:52 <sgordon> </done>
23:17:03 <sparks> Heh
23:17:10 <sparks> hanging on
23:17:30 <rudi> That build I linked to works, but it's a newer version of FOP than we've used in the past
23:17:35 <rudi> (1.0 vs 0.95)
23:17:48 <rudi> So some Publican formatting is broken.
23:18:06 <rudi> Right now, we know about "dingbat" characters not rendering properly
23:18:27 <rudi> and some weird spacing following admonitions like <note>, <important> and <warning>
23:18:48 <rudi> I'd really appreciate any testing that anyone can put into it
23:19:13 <rudi> Even if this isn't the final package, we have an opportunity to find these bugs now
23:19:54 <sparks> rudi: I noticed problems with the SG under IE with a <important>...
23:19:58 <rudi> So any other weirdness in PDFs, please open an upstream Publican bug -- https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/enter_bug.cgi?product=Publican&component=publican
23:20:42 <sparks> That was in html so that's probably another problem
23:21:05 <rudi> Oh? Not aware of one in HTML, and yeah, that would be something else. Bug report please! :)
23:21:19 <sparks> Uh... okay
23:21:46 <sparks> Anything else
23:21:47 <sparks> ?
23:22:02 <rudi> No, that's it :)
23:22:23 <sparks> Awesome!
23:22:41 <sparks> Moving on..
23:22:47 <sparks> #topic Goals for FAD @ OLF
23:23:00 <sparks> #info OLF == Ohio Linux Fest
23:23:36 <sparks> Okay...  there seems to be quite a few Docs people going to OLF.
23:23:53 <sparks> Is there interest in having a FAD?
23:24:08 <jjmcd> sparks, first question I have is when?  Thursday? Sunday? Monday?
23:24:28 <sparks> Good question.
23:24:51 <sparks> It wouldn't have to be an all day thing so we could do it Saturday night...  Hackfest
23:25:06 <jjmcd> Possibility
23:25:19 <sparks> Sunday if jsmith will be driving home
23:25:50 <sparks> Perhaps we could order a bunch of pizza and work on finishing up guides for F16
23:25:56 <jjmcd> Likely Sat nite I will be driving to Findlay.  I could do that Sunday, but then Saturday would have to end early for me
23:26:18 <sparks> That's about the right time before getting everything translated and ready for F16 release
23:26:33 <jjmcd> ohh, I didn't realize that
23:27:11 <sparks> what?  I mean... it's early but still
23:28:49 <jjmcd> Boy, that is right in line with getting the guides ready
23:28:54 <sparks> So...  anyone interested in a FAD?  I think jsmith, ke4qqq, jjmcd, and I will be there.  Any others?
23:29:20 <rudi> I'd be interested in participating from afar in any planning discussions
23:29:40 <jjmcd> seems like nb was also threatening to be there
23:29:46 <rudi> I really want to get automated for F16
23:29:50 <sparks> rudi: Yeah, I think we can do the telecommuting thing...  Plus if we do it on Saturday night that should be right on time for you
23:30:01 <sparks> rudi: +1
23:30:05 <jjmcd> and markrtoon
23:30:06 <rudi> I'm happy to slot in any time, time-wise
23:30:50 <sparks> rudi: Right but I'd like for you to be awake... :)
23:30:58 <rudi> :D
23:31:04 <rudi> Order me a pizza!
23:31:24 <sparks> rudi: Just tell me where to have it delivered.
23:32:29 <sparks> Okay...  I'll bring this up to the list for more discussion.
23:32:32 <sparks> anything else?
23:32:39 <rudi> If we have a teleconference set up, maybe other RHatters in Brisbane and Brno might like to join in?
23:32:50 <sparks> Absolutely!
23:33:16 <rudi> First global Docs FAD :)
23:33:16 <fnadge> sure
23:33:25 <sparks> Awesome!
23:33:51 <jhradilek> Huh, of course!
23:33:53 <sparks> #action sparks to talk about FAD @ OLF on the Docs list
23:34:17 <sgordon> yeah
23:34:22 <sgordon> i am happy to join in remotely also
23:34:23 <sparks> #action sparks to work on teleconference setup
23:34:29 <fnadge> what time and time zone?
23:34:31 <sparks> sgordon: +1
23:34:35 <sgordon> i am in BNE too
23:34:39 <sparks> fnadge: Not sure, yet.
23:35:10 <sparks> #action sparks to work with OLF folks to figure out a good time for the event.
23:35:26 <sparks> Okay, anything else on this topic?
23:36:22 <sparks> #topic Guide Status
23:36:40 <sparks> Anyone have anything they want to discuss, guide-wise?
23:37:43 <rudi> Nothing to report here
23:37:54 <sparks> #info The Documentation Guide could use some work.
23:38:14 <sparks> #info The Cloud Guide is in development and draft version is being updated every Monday on docs.fp.o
23:38:45 <fnadge> The Documentation guide? I could have a look.
23:39:09 <joat> me too
23:39:17 <sparks> fnadge: The Documentation Guide is a guide about how we do what we do.
23:39:29 <joat> the Cloud Guide, I mean
23:39:31 <sparks> fnadge: Most of the text just needs to be pulled from the wiki
23:39:51 <fnadge> That would be a fantastic way to get started:)
23:39:54 <sparks> joat: Lots of work to be done there too!
23:40:22 <joat> rgr
23:41:17 <sparks> Okay, anything else before we move on?
23:41:48 <suehle> Sorry--I'll be at OLF and could do the FAD as well.
23:41:56 <sparks> suehle: Awesome!
23:42:19 <suehle> I'm at Open Source Bridge and had to switch rooms. But I held on to wifi!
23:42:34 <sparks> suehle: Congrats!  :)
23:42:38 <sparks> Okay, moving on
23:42:44 <sparks> #topic Outstanding BZ Tickets
23:42:56 <sparks> #link http://tinyurl.com/lbrq84
23:43:06 <sparks> Just a reminder that there a bugs that need attention.
23:43:19 <sparks> #topic Docs QA
23:43:43 * jjmcd feels unloved. Nobody has filed a release notes bug in a while
23:43:45 <sparks> I think I owe the Docs List an update on Docs QA
23:43:55 <sparks> jjmcd: I can take care of that...
23:44:00 <jjmcd> ;-)
23:44:32 <sparks> #action sparks to update the Docs list on Docs QA
23:44:53 <sparks> Unless someone has something on this topic I'll move along
23:45:36 <sparks> #topic Open floor discussion
23:45:45 <sparks> Okay... Anyone have anything?
23:47:11 <sparks> For some reason I think I gave myself more action items that I did anyone else...
23:47:25 * sparks notes jjmcd didn't try to stop him
23:47:26 <jjmcd> Well, that's encouraging
23:47:58 <jjmcd> I would encourage everyone to review the agenda wiki page and not be shy about suggesting things that need to be addressed
23:48:39 <sparks> And to add to discussions on the list
23:48:56 <jjmcd> Yes.
23:49:18 <jjmcd> The list gives everyone a chance to participate
23:49:19 <jwulf> sparks: on the Documentation guide
23:49:23 <jwulf> i committed a new chapter
23:49:29 <jwulf> but haven't seen it built on the stage
23:49:34 <jjmcd> But it seems like things don't actally happen unless they are discussed here
23:49:37 <jwulf> is there a way for me to trigger a build?
23:49:52 <sparks> jjmcd: True
23:50:04 <sparks> jwulf: stage == docs.fp.o?
23:50:10 <jwulf> yes
23:50:29 <rudi> That's not a stage
23:50:33 <jjmcd> publican publish - there's a good wiki page
23:50:34 <sparks> jwulf: I can do that for you.  I can also show you how to do it yourself if you're brave enough
23:50:37 <jwulf> it has a draft section
23:50:48 <jwulf> sparks: i like learning new things
23:50:57 <sparks> rudi: Sure it's a stage...  that's where we perform!  :)
23:51:03 <rudi> lolz
23:51:37 <rudi> jwulf -- we have no automation around these processes in Fedora yet
23:51:43 <sparks> jwulf: I'll dig up the wiki page and slip it to you on #fedora-docs
23:51:49 <jwulf> thanks sparks
23:52:16 <sparks> okay, anything else?
23:53:16 <sparks> Okay...
23:53:22 <jwulf> sparks:
23:53:28 <jwulf> Gnome 3 Content Spec is now online:
23:53:42 <jwulf> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F15_User_Guide_Gnome_3_Chapter
23:53:51 <sparks> awesome!
23:54:00 <sparks> Anyone else?
23:55:01 <sparks> Thanks everyone for coming out and joining us today!
23:55:06 <fnadge> jwulf: the content spec looks good
23:55:49 <rudi> I have reservations about it; but I'll save them for the list
23:56:03 <sparks> Okay, post meeting gathering in #fedora-docs
23:56:11 <sparks> #endmeeting